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Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



yes. that's their point.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Guavanaut posted:

I dunno, the private water companies in England have been saying that for years and now there's not a single river in England that's safe to swim or fish in.

drat ratty you've been working hard

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
ratty shat in my local brook :mad:

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



lmao everyspecies gangsta until felines arrive

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Guavanaut posted:

I dunno, the private water companies in England have been saying that for years and now there's not a single river in England that's safe to swim or fish in.

Who could have foreseen that privatisation is not magically efficient? Man.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Even the virgin dog fears the chad cat.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

forkboy84 posted:

Who could have foreseen that privatisation is not magically efficient? Man.
It is magically efficient to dump shite into the rivers rather than filter it. Austrian school praxeology says this is because people would rather drink poo poo-piss than water.

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good
The only cat I've ever respected was the feral one who tried to claw my leg off in Morocco. All the others just passive aggressively poo poo in my gravel and give me the stink eye from the top of my shed.

Anyway, London can be a bit of weird one. Not a big fan myself, but it's where the work tends to be. If you can integrate into a local community you'll generally do great, but it does have a very high turnover. I think the most recent figures are something like 1.6 million moving out in the last five years, 1.1 million moving in. I definitely wouldn't recommend buying straight off (even if that's an option given how overpriced stuff is) - spend six months in an area to ensure you're happy with it first. I hopped around boroughs for about five years when I got here before finally settling on 'screw this, just outside the M25 for commuting will be fine'.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

One other point about indoor vs outdoor cats.

Our two cats were adopted when they were 7/8 weeks old. They had been feral kits from the inner city.

We kept them indoors for the first 6 months to get them used to our house. They were small cats.
When we let them outdoors their growth massively took off.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I have read all the cat arguments in this thread, but for me it comes down to this,





lookit dese fucken cheeks

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Niric posted:

on the subject of things UKMT dislikes intensely, what's the thread consensus on how bad an idea it is to move to London in your mid(ish) 30s?

I did it at the age of 43, just before a pandemic. Actually quite liking it so far tbh.

I also brought my (indoors) cat :catdrugs:

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

The Question IRL posted:

One other point about indoor vs outdoor cats.

Our two cats were adopted when they were 7/8 weeks old. They had been feral kits from the inner city.

We kept them indoors for the first 6 months to get them used to our house. They were small cats.
When we let them outdoors their growth massively took off.

lol that doesn't mean anything if you were feeding them quality food

anyway i used the water example on purpose; i used to do water quality research (specifically on taste and odor bacteria but i'm familiar with the broader concepts). it's not something you'd be likely to notice as an individual, as pointed out.

mehall posted:

I have read all the cat arguments in this thread, but for me it comes down to this,




lookit dese fucken cheeks

p cutte catte

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Niric posted:

Edit: on the subject of things UKMT dislikes intensely, what's the thread consensus on how bad an idea it is to move to London in your mid(ish) 30s?

Honestly if I didn't have family here I'd move, but I think that's heavily influenced atm by living alone in a small flat during a don't-go-outside pandemic.

As people have said it depends totally on if you can afford it, two people earning ~median wage in secure work is fine but definitely take your time choosing somewhere to live don't bite at the first seemingly okay thing you find.

Red Scare unlocked their Zizek episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHX0QOF-bc ~11 minutes is when they talk about the UK and he says something sort of obvious in retrospect but I hadn't twigged it, that the old lefty line 'antisemitism is anticapitalism for stupid people' has been inverted but now ignoring the stupidity element, that the establishment discourse is almost explicitly saying 'anticapitalism is antisemitism'. And they're obviously pushing it because that means being woke and good means being capitalist, because critiquing the economic system is dogwhistley Doing Tropes against Jewish people, it's "oh who is 'they' then?" but not just as quip, that dumb take is their new baseline.

The grimmest thing is that the old lefty line actually communicated something real and important, if a basically coherent critique of economic inequality is reduced to 'oh the problem is X people' then it removes the ability to change that inequality, capitalist expoitation simply isn't based around being jewish or being a white cis man or whatever it's a systemic result of how capital works, and but that unnuanced take implicitly puts X people on the hook.

Imagine in 6 years if that dogshit is allowed to continue, material conditions keep getting worse so more people become anticapitalist but you have a new cultural framework that says 'no stop being mad at that you're actually getting mad at the jews we're gonna sneer at you now' is it so insane to think this could cause actual antisemitism? Not this fake stuff the right have concern-trolled about, actual deep feelings of hate that is swelling from legit hardship but misdirected?

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

mehall posted:

I have read all the cat arguments in this thread, but for me it comes down to this,





lookit dese fucken cheeks

A persuasive argument.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
As long as it stays behind bars no one has a problem.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Guavanaut posted:

ratty shat in my local brook :mad:

I poo poo in streams, ditches, dikes, brooks, drains, culverts, and trenches

But I am not a pornstar

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

well, not knowingly

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


ACAB

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
I love how this all started from the thread talking about how terrible reddit was, someone brought up their endless cat vs birds arguments, and immediately the thread descended into the exact same argument about cats and birds with almost comic timing.

Purple Prince
Aug 20, 2011

“Cats, a disruptive apex predator, disrupt local bird populations”, I say, without evidence, as ecologists announce the anthropocene as a new geological era.

Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Nov 29, 2020

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
NHS specs: the victim of Rose West you never hear about - an opinion piece by Octavia Ferrari, The Guardian

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
Forget free school dinners; starving the arts of funding is the real emergency in these times - an opinion piece by Tristram Spafflater, The Guardian

Active Quasar
Feb 22, 2011

Purple Prince posted:

“Cats, a disruptive apex predator, disrupt local bird populations”, I say, without evidence, as ecologists announce the anthropocene as a new geological era.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tibbles-the-cat-and-stephens-island-wren-2014-12/

The anthropocene is shaping up to me more like the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary than an era in its own right.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Every comrade itt will have to hand over their cats for destruction when the corbynists get in

Active Quasar
Feb 22, 2011
State-issued birds for every citizen.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



crispix posted:

Forget free school dinners; starving the arts of funding is the real emergency in these times - an opinion piece by Tristram Spafflater, The Guardian

When we reach December 1st does he become Tristram Spaffnow? :v:

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Disnesquick posted:

State-issued birds for every citizen.

Honk if thatcher's dead

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

All those Tories saying "The socialists want to make you eat your own pets!" were right.

Salisbury Snape
May 26, 2014
While a grain platform can be used for corn, a specialized corn head is ordinarily used instead.


Dogs are better than cats. It's just fact

Mebh
May 10, 2010


Cats live longer, healthier, less stressful lives if they're kept indoors.
If you like your cats, keep them inside.

The bird argument is moot. Cats will gently caress their own diet up, get massively stressed with territorial disputes with other cats and animals, spend lots of their time running away from things in terror, pick up disease from ticks, fleas, biting insects etc. and are not unlikely to get hit by a car.

I've kept cats my entire life, both outdoor and indoor. My indoor cats are stupidly happy and while my outdoor ones have never been miserable they just don't live as long.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Salisbury Snape posted:

Dogs are better than cats. It's just fact

This is true. I would never advise keeping an outdoor dog, however. It will most likely get lost

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Tibbles owns

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Just keep rats

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Ms Adequate posted:

When we reach December 1st does he become Tristram Spaffnow? :v:

It's a "jam tomorrow" kind of deal

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1332742037557403652

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Communist Thoughts posted:

Every comrade itt will have to hand over their cats for destruction when the corbynists get in

Where does El Gato fit into this new regime?

Purple Prince
Aug 20, 2011

Mebh posted:

I've kept cats my entire life, both outdoor and indoor. My indoor cats are stupidly happy and while my outdoor ones have never been miserable they just don't live as long.

Counterpoint: we had an outdoor cat which despite being tiny and developing a bad habit of staring at walls in its dotage, lived to over 20 years old and scared the heck out of younger cats foolish enough to try to prove their dominance. When it died it just wandered off and was never seen again.

It tended to kill birds by playing with them to death rather than the method our much larger, younger cat had of pinning them down and tearing out their throats.

E: Someone I knew kept an indoor cat. It got bored and jumped out an eighth story window.

Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Nov 29, 2020

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Ragdoll cats are chill as gently caress layabouts that are not allowed outdoors because they have zero self preservation instinct, much like me.

E: Unlike me, they have a lovely coat.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



I would advise cats generally be kept indoors, though it depends on factors like the cat itself, their health, and where you live.

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WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

So as most of you know I live in Canada now, and I have two new kitties.

I do *see* other cats out and about, but aside from living in an urban area with cars and such, there are also coyotes and stuff out there, plus I think more in the way of ticks and diseases and stuff... plus for like 4 months of the year there's snow on the ground anyway... so yeah, these cats are indoor kitties.

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