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Guest2553 posted:Is there a reason that SP arty is cheaper than field artillery point-wise for the same effect in Flames of War? Beyond 'Battlefront going gently caress you, buy more stuff', that is. I like PSC models but SP guns are one of the things they just don't have. In theory because SP artillery is vulnerable to more things, since it can be hosed down with .50 cals or 20mm guns, whereas in this situation a dug-in gun is very hard to shift. The issue is that in practice, gun teams tend to be removed with counterbattery fire, where rerolling saves on a 4+ base just means you get slaughtered. There's a fair few things where you just wonder if BF play their own game.
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spectralent posted:In theory because SP artillery is vulnerable to more things, since it can be hosed down with .50 cals or 20mm guns, whereas in this situation a dug-in gun is very hard to shift. The issue is that in practice, gun teams tend to be removed with counterbattery fire, where rerolling saves on a 4+ base just means you get slaughtered. There's a fair few things where you just wonder if BF play their own game. That makes sense. I prefer gun models so it gets my goat that I could (for example) save 8 points by swapping 10.5 howitzers and 7.5 infantry guns Nebelwerfers and Wespes for the low low cost of $10 per point.
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Guest2553 posted:That makes sense. I prefer gun models so it gets my goat that I could (for example) save 8 points by swapping 10.5 howitzers and 7.5 infantry guns Nebelwerfers and Wespes for the low low cost of $10 per point. I'm pretty sure they'll do Plastic Wespes and maybe even Hummels for the Germans at some point, given that those things are ubiquitous in Panzer Divisions, and they're talking about doing loving plastic WW2 Challengers at some point (ya know, a tank that the British only built like 200 of) and they're talking about Wibrelwinds coming out with the Bagration German book.
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Nov 26, 2020 03:23
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The Challenger is weird since it's the kind of thing that if you want it, you likely want exactly one or you want enough to kit out a company.
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A box of four, at least, gives you enough to give every cromwell troop one, which is about right. Honestly I'm just wondering if they'll even be that desired this edition; their perk last edition was their inexplicable rate of fire of 3 when halted, which probably isn't happening this time.
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Worth noting that Wespes are an outlier not the norm. SU-76s are 2.5p, 76mm arty are 2p. M7 Priests are 2.75p, 105mm arty are 2.5p, to name a couple. Why Wespes are an exception is a mystery.
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Geisladisk posted:Worth noting that Wespes are an outlier not the norm. 25pdrs and Sextons (A command card unit) cost the exact same - 3.5p per unit. Likely a survivability vs mobility thing.
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Germany's always paid through the nose for gun artillery, for some reason. I remember in V3 nobody ever took the 10.5cm guns if they could take wespes or nebs instead; this time nebs are just also expensive so everyone takes SPGs.
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Geisladisk posted:Worth noting that Wespes are an outlier not the norm. Never knew that, guess it's just One Of Those Things for now. I still like how field guns look on the table  In kickstarter news, I came across a Black Panther inspired campaign ruleset. It led me down the rabbithole of segregated units, and long story short I'm going to repaint as much of my US forces to match historical organizations. Guest2553 fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Nov 26, 2020 |
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Well here I am again back thinking about miniature wargaming. I recently sold all my stuff (or nearly so) since it had just been collecting dust for the past few years and I finally admitted to myself that I really hate painting miniatures. I love thinking about new armies, organizing them and fighting battles tho, and those hypotheticals keep drawing me back. Recently while cleaning my basement I stumbled on some 15mm crusaders I was in the middle of painting and my daughter, who is now 5 and loves artsy stuff, expressed a desire to paint them with me. She also loves board games so I figure trying out wargames with her could be fun. My biggest obstacle: sunk time and cost on an activity I don't really like! Here's my idea - 3D printed 6/10mm figs and getting someone else to paint them (paid, of course). I'm not too concerned with a pro paint job since they're really for gaming, and I'd keep a bunch to slowly paint over time with my daughter to have some homemade units she painted herself. Probably start with DBA or Impetus Basic and play fast and loose with the rules. I have access to a solid SLA printer and found some really solid looking models online, printing some samples now to see how they turn out. Wondering if anyone else has any experience (or pictures) of 3D printed armies?
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Well here I am again back thinking about miniature wargaming. I recently sold all my stuff (or nearly so) since it had just been collecting dust for the past few years and I finally admitted to myself that I really hate painting miniatures. I love thinking about new armies, organizing them and fighting battles tho, and those hypotheticals keep drawing me back. Recently while cleaning my basement I stumbled on some 15mm crusaders I was in the middle of painting and my daughter, who is now 5 and loves artsy stuff, expressed a desire to paint them with me. She also loves board games so I figure trying out wargames with her could be fun. My biggest obstacle: sunk time and cost on an activity I don't really like! Have you considered using something like these fancy new paper soldiers?
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Class Warcraft posted:Have you considered using something like these fancy new paper soldiers? Those are cool (and I toyed with paper figs in the past when prototyping a new system/period), but one of the main reasons I'm considering this is so I can paint (some) little dolls with my daughter. If quotes for painting commissions come back to be ludicrously expensive I may consider something like that, but atm 3D printed figs are like 10-20x cheaper than cast ones, at the scale I'm considering.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Those are cool (and I toyed with paper figs in the past when prototyping a new system/period), but one of the main reasons I'm considering this is so I can paint (some) little dolls with my daughter. If quotes for painting commissions come back to be ludicrously expensive I may consider something like that, but atm 3D printed figs are like 10-20x cheaper than cast ones, at the scale I'm considering. I was more considering the time you'd save. From what I understand 3D printing requires a lot of tinkering and trial-and-error.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Those are cool (and I toyed with paper figs in the past when prototyping a new system/period), but one of the main reasons I'm considering this is so I can paint (some) little dolls with my daughter. If quotes for painting commissions come back to be ludicrously expensive I may consider something like that, but atm 3D printed figs are like 10-20x cheaper than cast ones, at the scale I'm considering.
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HoTT is a good little game; you can put together armies if pretty much 12 each of whatever you have and mash them into each other. And speaking of FoW, https://www.miniaturemarket.com/ is having a sale. Don't say I never cost you money you weren't planning to spend !
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Wondering if anyone else has any experience (or pictures) of 3D printed armies? WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF PRINTING YOURSELF SOME PROBLEMS With SLA, it bigger pieces like tanks that are troublesome, but people are printing Warmaster armies as we speak and I've basically corner-drag downscaled 15mm minis to print at 10mm, so the world is your oyster.
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Following up, I printed some samples for painting, using this guys sample stuff. He has this collection that looks well worth the money, especially if I'm gonna be going for 1000 figs or so. Bad pics of the attempt here, I have both 10 mm and 6 mm, and I also tried a panther tank I found somewhere in 6 and 10 as well. The 10 mm tank looks really awesome, even the muzzle brake is modeled and crisp. At 6 I think I'd just model it as one piece, and the cannon is quite fragile. The 6 mm figures again had issues, but the 10s were exceptional as well. Unfortunately since I used translucent resin the detail is a little lost but it's pretty good for 10, let alone 6. The model maker has pics of his stuff painted and based and it looks pretty great, I'd be happy to achieve what he has. I could probably do better on the 6s by fiddling with the print layer and speed settings, or maybe using a harder resin. The modeler again got good results on his 6s, so I know its possible. But I like the look and size of the 10s and will probably going in this direction. The panthers have me thinking about micro armour again too. All in all pretty impressed with the prints. Material cost was maybe 20c for all these, and the tank was a bunch of that. It definitely wipes away the "cost" thought of starting a new project like this. Including the cost of the STLs I could probably produce 1000+ figs for around $60 (comparing to Baccus with shipping, probably like $200-$250). And of course the more models I print, the cheaper the per unit costs since I already have the STLs, and theres the terrain pieces too. I'll keep posting if I go anywhere on this project. hot cocoa on the couch fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 29, 2020 |
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If you go with 6mm then just snip the barrels off (or mod the STL not to print anything but a nub) and replace them with a bit of shirt pin. Nobody will be able to tell at that scale.
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Is there a guide I can read on what where and how much a 3D printer and files cost for napoleonic war games and terrain? 18 and 28mm.
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Spent the weekend painting up some mounted horse line artillery. I plan to put two stationary artillerymen/officers on the actual artillery bases, and then the two in canter (?) as a separate command base. The set is from Foundry, with two stationary horses from Eagle Figures swapped in. Only the commander's horse and some fine details on a handful of dismounted artillerymen left. 
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Comstar posted:Is there a guide I can read on what where and how much a 3D printer and files cost for napoleonic war games and terrain? 18 and 28mm. I can't say much about files - you can always check for free ones on Thingiverse as well as  - bit I bought the Photon when it was on sale for <$300 January, and it works? Sure, my first print had to be the funnel for vapors and I had to get a back panel printed for the funnel (the default Photon setup has an extremely inadequate filter and dumps vapor into the compartment with all the electronics), but after that, the expenses have been negligible.Don't be spooked by the part where you have to take the machine apart to install the funnel or whatever - I did, and I'm not tech person, nor am I dexterous, careful, or exacting. It's entirely possible to do for a regular human bean. Ofc, other printers exist, and maybe Elegoo or something is cheaper/better about resins, but other than that, it's all good. 28mm prints well for Space Marines, but the issue with Nappies might be all the small bumps and groves from all the decorations the troops have. Or maybe not - I haven't printed in months due to not wanting to increase my backlog.
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JcDent posted:WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF PRINTING YOURSELF SOME PROBLEMS This reminds me that I have some minis from the March to Hell WW2 kickstarter that I need to get around to printing and
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Hi5, irresponsible Kickstarter buddy! 15mm or 28mm?
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JcDent posted:Hi5, irresponsible Kickstarter buddy! Yes 
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Speaking of 3D printing, I got one and printed myself a nice little 40mm Bofors AA gun. Now I need a crew. Does anyone know of any seated British or Soviet crew in 28mm I could get to put on here?
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After taking a slight deviation into Star Wars Legion hobby progress I randomly decided to paint up some more vehicles for my Germans last night and this morning.  Panzer IV Ausf J with no Schürzen because it kept breaking so I just took it off.  And 3 Hanomags with a pea dot inspired camo scheme.    Going to work on all the details & they'll be ready for battle!
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Sydney Bottocks posted:This reminds me that I have some minis from the March to Hell WW2 kickstarter that I need to get around to printing and  Matilda II, Somua S35, and M11/39 from that kickstarter just printed on my new CR-6SE FDM printer, and then quickly primed because white filament takes awful photos
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Zuul the Cat posted:And 3 Hanomags with a pea dot inspired camo scheme.
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Lmao, a truly realist approach toward mini painting.
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Zuul the Cat posted:I would like to see your italian war hobbits. You brought this madness upon yourselves. Across the County of Shirona, brave hobbits are talking about the need to raise their clan militias in defiance of Louis XII’s incursion upon their lands. Boxes of contraband and weapons, marked with cryptic codes like”Wargames Atlantic” and ”Perry Miniatures” as smuggled through the night. Will they assemble in time to be a potent threat to the French imperial ambitions?  First four test tonight as my hobbits arrived. Proof of concept turning out pretty alright! I even tried a green stuff cuirass which worked out pretty ok. Headswaps again saving a decent but not stellar kit. Planning for these to be a combination of light and medium armed militia, might add a few of those weirdly shaped Italian renaissance shields.
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oh my god those are perfect.
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Zuul the Cat posted:oh my god those are perfect. Thanks, I was worried about head sizes but I think the perry heads are spot on. Now I just need to expand my italo-hobbit lore and find tons of good pics of Italian renaissance troops. Westphalia Miniatures have landsknekt halflings.
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More plastic options for Italian hobbits than ww2 Italians, lol
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I saw some undead halflings a while back too, if you want to get really weird.
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Class Warcraft posted:More plastic options for Italian hobbits than ww2 Italians, lol
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Class Warcraft posted:More plastic options for Italian hobbits than ww2 Italians, lol I’m not kidding that I’m blown away by hobbit cavalry options. I think I’ve found 15 or so? Do you want your emu riders armoured or unarmoured? Do you want your barded dogs or giant roosters led by a hobbit mounted on a ram or a feathered velociraptor? Tt combat, which makes the afforementioned undead hobbits, have a set of amazonian halfling walruss riders. It’s like if hobbit cavalry is the fantasy equivalent of mid-war german panzer forces, just cram everything you get your grubby hands on in there.
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And god help you trying to figure out the right shade of fieldgravy to paint their uniforms
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Class Warcraft posted:And god help you trying to figure out the right shade of fieldgravy to paint their uniforms It's going to be fun trying to make an Italian version of hobbitholes, with a more Mediterranean style. I imagine that they'd love to have a porch with vine-covered trellis, maybe some pantile roof and rustic walls sticking out of the hill.
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lilljonas posted:It's going to be fun trying to make an Italian version of hobbitholes, with a more Mediterranean style. I imagine that they'd love to have a porch with vine-covered trellis, maybe some pantile roof and rustic walls sticking out of the hill. You're making the idea sound better with every step.
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Zuul the Cat posted:
Incidentally this is exactly what the crew did IRL and for the same reason, so this is very historically accurate 
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