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I'm pretty sure Jasley and Iok snuck a dainsleif bolt into one of the Turbine's ships. The bolt is the actually illegal part, I think.
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i don't recall that part, just a lot of commotion about how naze transported the gun and that's super bad but tekkaden didn't use the illegal ordinance so they're in a grey area side note: akihiro and lafter are very cute
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It was how Mcgillis found out about it, Iok basically checked a dainsleif out of storage under his authority as the Kujan heir.
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Nov 28, 2020 20:58
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ninjewtsu posted:side note: akihiro and lafter are very cute oh nevermind i guess lmao
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Arcsquad12 posted:I mean it's about as subtle as a sledgehammer which is fairly par for the course with gundam shows.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I mean it's about as subtle as a sledgehammer which is fairly par for the course with gundam shows. Depends. I mean, looking back at the beginning from the end, McGillis's whole deal is on screen from early on, but people didn't see it coming.
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I remember everyone being there's no way Gaelio is Vidar, it's way too obvious, it has to be a trick. It wasn't a trick and it was good to the surprise of many.
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Nov 28, 2020 22:26
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I remember everyone being there's no way Gaelio is Vidar, it's way too obvious, it has to be a trick. I was completely willing for there to be an extremely deep swerve on who Vidar was, but my opinion was that it's either Gaelio or someone who is for some reason trying to vary apparently be Gaelio in a mask. My ultra longshot, no-way-in-hell crack theory during airing was that it was going to somehow turn out to be Almiria in a really fancy disguise to get revenge for her brother by proxy, but I would not have ever put money on it. When it turned out that Gaelio in a mask was just Gaelio in a mask I wasn't actually surprised or even disappointed because Vidar was obviously just Gaelio in a mask.
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ninjewtsu posted:question: why is naze, the man who transported an illegal weapon, wanted by gjallerhorn but tekkaden, the people who actually used the illegal weapon, not wanted by gjallerhorn?
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People didn't want Gaelio to be Vidar because it would be yet another s01 "death" the show had walked back after the lovely pulled punches in the s01 climax. But yes, to everyone's surprise that particular plot point turned out to be extremely good.
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what are the deaths they walked back. theres a momentary scare with shino i guess? but that isnt really 'walked back,' thats just a bit of dramatic tension.
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Endorph posted:what are the deaths they walked back. theres a momentary scare with shino i guess? but that isnt really 'walked back,' thats just a bit of dramatic tension. The common ones people complain about are Lafter and Azee, whose fight with the Graze Ein was composed in an incredibly brutal way(Ein drill kicking Lafter's cockpit followed by her screaming in pain and we see a squirt of blood), but both of them had apparently completely superficial injuries. There's a long running conspiracy theory I see sometimes when IBO discussion comes up elsewhere that the two of them(and Shino) were meant to die in that fight but when they got a second season the outcome was hastily rewritten. I don't believe it myself, but I could see how someone could.
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The idea that makes way more sense to me is them surviving that to set up their deaths in S2. The audience is relieved to see them make it out fine, so the creeping 'very little of the main cast is making it out okay' of S2 hits harder.
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Kanos posted:The common ones people complain about are Lafter and Azee, whose fight with the Graze Ein was composed in an incredibly brutal way(Ein drill kicking Lafter's cockpit followed by her screaming in pain and we see a squirt of blood), but both of them had apparently completely superficial injuries. I mean, Mari Okada outright said in interviews that she was told to make a happy ending for the first season after they confirmed a second season and that she initially went "How?" It's not so weird to think some traces of the first draft lingered in the final.
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Yeah, Dainsleifs are gigantic frame-alloy spears that can be fired by particularly powerful railguns, and are banned because they can reliably penetrate ship armour at extreme long range, threatening Gjallarhorn's hegemony. The railguns themselves aren't a problem without the highly specialised, expensive, difficult-to-engineer ammo. It's like the difference between a Davy Crockett and a regular recoilless rifle.
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My biggest problem with Vidar is that he was just very blatantly a big walking "I Win" button that was very obviously going to be pressed to undercut Tekkadan later in the season and it felt like a lazy, easy way to make that happen on demand. I guess maybe for others there was tension in that situation but that's not how it was for me  . Cool if it worked for others tho.
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Oh Snapple! posted:My biggest problem with Vidar is that he was just very blatantly a big walking "I Win" button that was very obviously going to be pressed to undercut Tekkadan later in the season and it felt like a lazy, easy way to make that happen on demand. W...what? Vidar has almost nothing to do with Tekkadan's downfall. Hell, he doesn't even really directly fight against them; he fights Tekkadan a total of one time and that time was only because Mikazuki got in the way when he was going after McGillis. He's not even really a key player in the disastrous battle that destroys McGillis's rebellion and effectively dooms Tekkadan.
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Kanos posted:W...what? Yeah. The funny thing is how He only pulled the trigger once McGillis did... when McGillis only kicked things off when he did because now he knew Gaelio could destroy him at any time. Gaelio couldn't understand McGillis until the end. And McGillis never really understood Gaelio at all.
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you can argue there's some forced writing to get tekkadan into a bad situation but vidar is not the mechanism by which that was achieved at all
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Vidar is certainly more for McGillis than Tekkadan, specifically, but my general opinion is that the two spend the season joined at the hip to such a degree that I feel like it's pointless to separate them. Tekkadan has more stuff going on that gently caress them over than just Vidar, yes, but his presence and actions nevertheless have a large effect on them due to their choice to go all-in with McGillis.
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Endorph posted:The idea that makes way more sense to me is them surviving that to set up their deaths in S2. The audience is relieved to see them make it out fine, so the creeping 'very little of the main cast is making it out okay' of S2 hits harder. The issue is just that the supposedly-terrifying monster that Gjallarhorn sics on Tekkadan turns out to do absolutely nothing except a bit of property damage, and the way the action is framed makes that seem clearly not intended. The problem is everyone surviving totally unscathed without even a "oh, they got badly injured and needed to spend weeks in a bacta tank and 6 months in rehab," rather than those specific characters not dying so they could go on to do stuff in s02. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Nov 29, 2020 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:Vidar is certainly more for McGillis than Tekkadan, specifically, but my general opinion is that the two spend the season joined at the hip to such a degree that I feel like it's pointless to separate them. Tekkadan has more stuff going on that gently caress them over than just Vidar, yes, but his presence and actions nevertheless have a large effect on them due to their choice to go all-in with McGillis. Vidar's entire contribution to loving over McGillis is showing up once and going "yeah hi what's up i'm alive", which causes McGillis to panic and rush his plan in a way that lets Rustal more easily completely dismantle him. He does ultimately kill McGillis, but his final duel with McGillis occurs when McGillis is completely alone and Rustal is literally telling the entire army poised to kill McGillis to hold up because he's doing Gaelio a favor; Gaelio's presence isn't really necessary at that point. I have no idea how you could think Vidar is some kind of anti-Tekkadan plot device when Rustal is right there and does roughly ten billion times as much to gently caress over McGillis(and thus Tekkadan) and is also the person who ultimately orders them killed.
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I don't think we talk enough about how funny it is amuro didn't even bother to learn gyuneis name
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holy poo poo sleggar is the most inconsistent character what the gently caress were they doing
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Stairmaster posted:I don't think we talk enough about how funny it is amuro didn't even bother to learn gyuneis name Would you bother? Be honest.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:holy poo poo sleggar is the most inconsistent character Rushing to wrap things up before getting canceled.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:holy poo poo sleggar is the most inconsistent character Initially? Well, it all started when Tomino told Yas to make a character who looks like Rocky Balboa when Yas hadn't even seen Rocky. It kind of escalated from there.
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Warmachine posted:Rushing to wrap things up before getting canceled. I get that, but literally just change his line from "sometimes a man gotta be assertive and slap their woman" to "you're being a selfish and hypocritical dumbass, the guy is actually doing something himself, accept that and let us all benefit" and that sheer whiplash wouldn't be quite so bad.
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Stairmaster posted:I don't think we talk enough about how funny it is amuro didn't even bother to learn gyuneis name And why should he?
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Omnicrom posted:And why should he? I've spent a couple minutes trying to think of an argument here, and I'm coming up blank.
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Man ate a funky chicken burger from a space truck stop.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I get that, but literally just change his line from "sometimes a man gotta be assertive and slap their woman" to "you're being a selfish and hypocritical dumbass, the guy is actually doing something himself, accept that and let us all benefit" and that sheer whiplash wouldn't be quite so bad. It was the 70's? Men slapping women was common as Christmas, I couldn't even count all the times' Reed Richards smacked Sue around, including one time when she went villain and he smacked her and told her to stop playing around and basically get in the kitchen.
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Onmi posted:It was the 70's? Men slapping women was common as Christmas, I couldn't even count all the times' Reed Richards smacked Sue around, including one time when she went villain and he smacked her and told her to stop playing around and basically get in the kitchen. Well here's the thing, the show very clearly shows it as a thing that most of the characters disagree with, and most importantly shows it as something Mirai gets very, very, very angry about. And then the next episode they kiss? It's not because he's hitting a woman that it's especially bad, it's the reasoning behind it. When Amuro and Kai get hit, it's because they're being selfish dumbasses, and the show says "this is because you're being a selfish dumbass". Mirai is being a selfish dumbass here, and that's the justification? You can definitely put it to the times, but it doesn't feel like just that. It feels sloppier and I hate it. HerpicleOmnicron5 fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I get that, but literally just change his line from "sometimes a man gotta be assertive and slap their woman" to "you're being a selfish and hypocritical dumbass, the guy is actually doing something himself, accept that and let us all benefit" and that sheer whiplash wouldn't be quite so bad. I actually just passed this episode in Mobile Suit Breakdown, and they discuss the apparent inconsistency and how it actually isn't. Sleggar's thing is hating weak men. The first time Cameron shows up, he's being a pathetic Nice GuyTM and scaring Mirai, so he clocks him to show him he's in the wrong. When he slaps Mirai, he's mad that she's not seeing his sincerity, and slightly less mad at Cameron for letting her talk to him like that. He's kinda the walking ur-toxic masculinity. edit: And yeah, him hitting Mirai was out of line and the show frames it that way. Sleggar gets it right sometimes, but it's more broken clock as opposed to an exemplar for men to follow. Warmachine fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Slegger hitting Mirai is bad but the fact she falls in love with him after this slap always creeped me out more. Him slapping her across the face is the only connection they had but it made her fall for him and it's all...blegh. Nobody mourns or gives a poo poo about Sleggger dying for a reason. Well, Dozle also died in that scene and totally overshadowed Slegger in every way.
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NikkolasKing posted:Slegger hitting Mirai is bad but the fact she falls in love with him after this slap always creeped me out more. Him slapping her across the face is the only connection they had but it made her fall for him and it's all...blegh. Exactly this! Warmachine posted:When he slaps Mirai, he's mad that she's not seeing his sincerity, and slightly less mad at Cameron for letting her talk to him like that. Right, but even then, it would've been so much better if it were couched in "Isn't this what you wanted? Him to actually nut up and do something? Well now he's doing something, and he's doing it for ALL OF US." Everything would fall into place with that. It'd all still make sense. I could understand Mirai falling for that more (not entirely, still too quick, also slap) and it'd still be totally in character, and everyone awkwardly not doing anything would make more sense since he'd actually have a reasonable point, even if he did cross the line. I'm just so pissed off by this because I actually liked him before that, kinda like a caveman Kai.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Cima apparently survives in 0083 Rebellion. Here's the current fallout from Operation Stardust that I'm aware of. -Instead of Cima, Geil Hunt is the one who executes Delaz on the bridge, he's then killed by Gato in the Neue Ziel, which leads Cima to fight Gato. -Bask betrays Cima in the middle of the battle and beheads the Gerbera Tetra (Previously thought to be a kill shot) -Kou, Kelly, Nina and Gato all go into the colony. -Nina still points a gun at and tries to shoot Kou? Still not sure on this one. -The Dendrobium is destroyed, or leaves, Kelly's status not known can't find the scans. -Stamen fights the Neue Ziel -Kou Beats Gato - rips the cockpit out of the Neue Ziel, tells him he doesn't get to die a heroes death -Nina tries to get Kou to board a Komusai as the Albion, the Komusai, the Stamen and the Neue Ziel cockpit enter the Atmosphere. -Everyone(?) survives reentry. -MP's invade the Albion, drag Kou out and arrest him, they plant charges on the Stamen and destroy it in front of Kou as the Gundam Project has been deleted. -Keith saves Kou from being taken away by the MPs(?) -Synapse is taken away by the MPs. -Fuckin' Cima shows she's still alive and is getting interviewed by Alice Miller, tells Miller that Gato is probably still alive. -Nina and the other people on the Komusai are apparently hiding out.
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