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gh0stpinballa posted:going deep on casolaro...promis, inslaw, iran contra...the octopus Very Nice.
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ptkfvk posted:Very Nice. dug up this early max blumenthal article about juarez and dead women, the notorious murders. tangentially connected to figures in the syndicate https://www.salon.com/2002/12/04/juarez/
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my biggest complaint about soviet covert activities is that they didn't do enough to subvert the West
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Spergin Morlock posted:I don't think anyone here believes Trump is selflessly undercover to break up pedo rings and nobody here believes a secret agent with a nuclear weapons security clearance is sending coded messages through a web board known for cartoon child porn. lol You remember the WoW fiasco a few years back? [https://gawker.com/nsa-and-cia-spied-on-world-of-warcraft-other-online-vi-1479458437 Ostensibly concerned that terrorists would disguise themselves as gamers in order to secretly communicate, agents from the NSA, CIA, Pentagon and Britain's GCHQ have posed undercover in online realms like World of Warcraft, Second Life, and Xbox Live. In fact, the practice grew so popular with the spy agencies that a special "deconfliction" group was established to prevent the agents from inadvertently spying on or trying to recruit each other. Our country's best and brightest began disguising themselves as digital trolls, elves, and supermodels in 2008, after a top-secret NSA documents—provided by Edward Snowden and published by the New York Times and ProPublica—described the games as a "target-rich communication network" that lets terrorists and other criminals "hide in plain sight." The business of spying in online games generated millions for the private sector. After a conference discussing the perceived threat in 2009, two private companies—SAIC and Lockheed Martin—received multi-million dollar government contracts to study the links between a persons online persona and their real-life behavior, though those studies have proved ineffective, providing seemingly obvious information like, "younger players and male players preferring competitive, hack-and-slash activities, and older and female players preferring noncombat activities." Q is bullshit, but federal agents trolling gamers is a thing.
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MysteriousStranger posted:You remember the WoW fiasco a few years back? [https://gawker.com/nsa-and-cia-spied-on-world-of-warcraft-other-online-vi-1479458437 it kind of just sounds like some 20 year old agent tricked his supervisor into letting him play world of Warcraft for 80 hours a week
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I just found out that the guy who wrote The Exorcist and directed the 3rd film served in the airforce’d psychological warfare division and had a bunch of weird beliefs about christianity and the afterlife. Feel free to connect your cork board, folks.
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fr0id posted:I just found out that the guy who wrote The Exorcist and directed the 3rd film served in the airforce’d psychological warfare division and had a bunch of weird beliefs about christianity and the afterlife. Feel free to connect your cork board, folks. I remember there was a thread on I think true anon's reddit, spooky stuff! fake e:https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/i46eoi/william_peter_blatty_the_exorcist_author_cia/
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inferis posted:it kind of just sounds like some 20 year old agent tricked his supervisor into letting him play world of Warcraft for 80 hours a week I bet there was a CIA guild.
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StashAugustine posted:does anyone remember when the fbi accidentally revealed the account they were using for spying on 4chan and it had a bunch of posts trying to tie all the nuts theories channers came up with to the russians No but if this is true it's 100% why I don't believe that Q is an op because no one at any of America's 500 intelligence agencies has the creativity to come up with something so deranged
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StashAugustine posted:does anyone remember when the fbi accidentally revealed the account they were using for spying on 4chan and it had a bunch of posts trying to tie all the nuts theories channers came up with to the russians Wasabi the J posted:As well as trump's russian wife, their russian tech firm support, and russian infiltration of orgs like the NRA. 
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Fluoride Jones posted:No but if this is true it's 100% why I don't believe that Q is an op because no one at any of America's 500 intelligence agencies has the creativity to come up with something so deranged On that recent TrueAnon, Robbie Martin of media roots radio is p convinced steve pieczenik is involved (ex-CIA who was sent by the US to help "mediate" the release of kidnapped aldo moro but stalling negotiations until the Red Brigade just killed moro). If ur worried about CIA creativity, Robbie also mentions that Pieczenik underwrites most Tom Clancy novels. imo it's roger stone and trumps electoral team that came up with it, not an agency. Remember, call others what you are.
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pecan posted:On that recent TrueAnon, Robbie Martin of media roots radio is p convinced steve pieczenik is involved (ex-CIA who was sent by the US to help "mediate" the release of kidnapped aldo moro but stalling negotiations until the Red Brigade just killed moro). If ur worried about CIA creativity, Robbie also mentions that Pieczenik underwrites most Tom Clancy novels. It's Jim Watkins owner of 8chan/8kun. When those got booted off the web he got Russian hosting and some shady competitor to Cloudflare and many of the drop sites are hosted there as well, the hosting also hosts known malware/ransomeware distributors. All this poo poo got traced months ago by various tech sites (not the FBI or anyone like that). He's an American chud/neonazi/theocratic living in the Philippines as a pig farmer. Fluoride Jones posted:No but if this is true it's 100% why I don't believe that Q is an op because no one at any of America's 500 intelligence agencies has the creativity to come up with something so deranged This! A chud came up with it but other groups have jumped onto it because it works. You have Russian bots spreading it and adding to it, OANN is all in, Trump isn't shutting it down, Stone is in, Flynn is all in. It's truly the brain child of an expat - pig farming - nazi - theocrat - pedo - anime loving chud. Which makes sense. Only a brain that broken could come up with something so loving deranged.
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MysteriousStranger posted:It's Jim Watkins owner of 8chan/8kun. When those got booted off the web he got Russian hosting and some shady competitor to Cloudflare and many of the drop sites are hosted there as well, the hosting also hosts known malware/ransomeware distributors. All this poo poo got traced months ago by various tech sites (not the FBI or anyone like that). He's an American chud/neonazi/theocratic living in the Philippines as a pig farmer. All signs point to Jim Watkins coming into it a couple years late, he really had nothing to do with the creation of Q or any of the fun satanic adrenochrome junkie lore. I’d believe he or someone in his circle is currently in control of the Q account, but he had the account handed off to him around the same time as 8chan came back online after the takedown. Also just to clarify, I’m pretty certain Jim Watkins owns the ISP 8chan/8kun is hosted on, it’s not on Russian servers or whatever. Based out of the Philippines I think.
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Rimjob Rodeo posted:All signs point to Jim Watkins coming into it a couple years late, he really had nothing to do with the creation of Q or any of the fun satanic adrenochrome junkie lore. I’d believe he or someone in his circle is currently in control of the Q account, but he had the account handed off to him around the same time as 8chan came back online after the takedown. Arstechnica which is a solid site https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/breaking-the-law-how-8chan-or-8kun-got-briefly-back-online/ 8kun was an effort to restore a central location for all of 8chan's communities, but it faced the same challenges in hosting that brought down 8chan in the first place—its radioactivity to hosting providers and domain registrars. This is what apparently drove Watkins and company to a rather unusual hosting option: a Russian company known mostly for hosting crimeware. Media Land is operated by Alexander Volosovyk, known as "Yahlishanda" on criminal underground Internet marketplaces. According to a report by Brian Krebs, Volosovyk is the world's biggest "bulletproof" hosting operator. He has, according to Krebs, avoided takedowns and prosecution by operating carefully within the lines of the law in Russia and other former Soviet states. Servers hosted by Media Land infrastructure have been tied to the Dridex and Zeus banking trojans in the past, as well as to the command and control networks for other sophisticated malware. Media Land-hosted virtual private servers using legitimately assigned IP addresses have been repeatedly reported for malicious traffic, including hundreds of brute-force Remote Desktop Protocol login attacks. Advertisement Media Land used the fake BGP advertisements for more than just 8kun. According to historical DNS records from SecurityTrails, Media Land had been maintaining an advertisement for a block of addresses starting at 185.254.121.200 for over a month, with the records for 8kun.net addresses popping up about two days ago. The hosts tied to the address block hosted a variety of short-lived malware, phishing, and online pharmacy scam sites, among others, with some dating back to September—all of them hosted by Media Land. Using this sort of fishy routing advertisement is not an uncommon tactic when trying to prevent potential attackers from gathering intelligence on a site's or network's infrastructure. It means that Whois requests and other network tools return no useful information to casual inquiries. That makes targeting the hosting provider somewhat more difficult. Other blocks of unassigned addresses have been used by Media Land repeatedly over the past three years. Going dim The Media Land hosting may have been a temporary move by the operators of 8chan/8kun. The site remains live on Tor as a "hidden service." And the site's domain name service provider VanwaNet has advertised itself in the past as a Cloudflare alternative—giving customers the capability (at some point in the future) to create their own content-delivery networks to fight DDoS attacks. Ron Watkins, the administrator for 8kun, said in a Twitter post that VanwaTech "has built a fantastic new deepnet CDN that can deliver Tor hidden services at nearly clearnet speed." In addition, the 8kun team has apparently been looking at another Tor-like service called Lokinet, an onion-routing based anonymizing network that is still in development. Those services may be crucial for the continued operation of the site, considering that the open Internet version of the site was under attack from almost the instant it went live. "We have been under sustained attacks the past few days and doing everything we can to get things stable again," Ron Watkins reported on Twitter earlier today. "The site is still online—albeit limping along—as we reorganize and restructure to deflect attacks coming from many angles." ARS VIDEO Ars Live Episode 5: Diversity in Tech | Ars Technica
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MysteriousStranger posted:Arstechnica which is a solid site Ayy thanks for this, for some reason I was on the trip that Vanwatech was owned by Watkins and still hosting 8chan. Gotta bone up on my 100% real conspiracies.
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Born in Bexhill posted:I bet there was a CIA guild. maybe, maybe not, but I am sure in my heart that every fed only ever played on RP servers
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Born in Bexhill posted:I bet there was a CIA guild. elitist jerks
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Giga Gaia posted:elitist jerks Lmao
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pecan posted:what is the national park service hiding... Ramrod Hotshot posted:I think I've tried this tack, and the general feeling I get in response is that MKUltra is ancient history, https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/revealed-there-were-two-cia-torture-programs-151bb80d69c1 Atrocious Joe posted:The US did help structure the Russian economy to favor mass privatization and oligarch dominance. A Harvard think tank was partly contracted to do it. * - the ones who had people who could build nukes and ICBMs, at least
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i think its that most people think mkultra is a crazy thing a bunch of nuts did that didnt work. it is relevant to real life but most people look at it like a failed mini experiment and not a sprawling system of torture and abuse that is still functioning in one way or another. ive never had success trying to use mkultra as a conversation point with non cracked people. epstein works cause its current and floating around the ether. what gets really crazy is when you have someone who kind of gets it. or has read enough of the epstein stuff so that you can start pulling the really crazy threads. ive enjoyed figuring out which things i can go deeper on with people. poking and proding with weird facts. try not to get too extreme too early. the level that things are connected in such hosed up ways is too bleak for the unbroken.
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whenever the discussion circles around to "trust authorities until proven otherwise" I like to consider the fact that we have a history of conspiracies that were real but denied. so when would one have accepted them as real? like in what decade would one have accepted that the government secretly tested drugs and bioweapons on American cities? would one defend it as crazy nonsense up until the Church Committee? Or does one wait until the tell all books in the 2000s? Gulf of Tonkin? In 2005 we admitted we attacked first, so was a crazy conspiracy until then which it became instantly truth once confirmed by the IC? What about the Iranian Coup in 1953? Does one pretend there was no US involvement all the way up to 2013 when the CIA admitted it? So when people say "of course the CIA wasn't dealing crack, that's crazy!" What evidence are they demanding and how long would it take for that evidence to be finally revealed? Clearly the Kerry Report in 1986 wasn't enough. Nor the FBI confirming in 1986 the CIA worked with crack dealers who gave money to the Contras. Obviously not poor Greg Webb in 1996. Not even DOJ and CIA in 1998 confirming the same principle details that the CIA worked crack dealers who gave money to the contras but quibble with Webb on the quantities and profits is enough proof. Or does all that evidence not count because it wasn't 100% of the crack, or 100% of the contra's funding, or something about there's no proof the CIA pilots knew they were flying in drugs? That level of credulity is on purpose because it helps one sleep at night. For me, these facts leave but one option, that we have to accept there are conspiracies right now that are real and some of those will be later admitted. Others will be denied by constructing narrow definitions of the events and conspiracy until the only acceptable "proof" are inside dead people's heads and thus can never be "proven" to the willfully in denial. ptkfvk posted:i think its that most people think mkultra is a crazy thing a bunch of nuts did that didnt work. it is relevant to real life but most people look at it like a failed mini experiment and not a sprawling system of torture and abuse that is still functioning in one way or another. ive never had success trying to use mkultra as a conversation point with non cracked people. epstein works cause its current and floating around the ether. I find the best success is referring to specific programs and experiments rather than starting by calling it by the broad conspiracy name. So talk about the program to destroy someone's worldview (and how one of the victims was ted kaczynski). Or how the biological and chemical weapons tests on US cities are suspected to have caused cancer spikes in some of the impacted communities (and how none of those people were punished and many are now our leading biowarfare experts). Or just lol together about how George HW Bush claims to have forgotten what he was doing the day JFK was shot without starting in on the assassination as conspriacy. Start with small bites and work their way up to the whole enchilada. Trabisnikof has issued a correction as of 18:52 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Paffgen posted:I remember there was a thread on I think true anon's reddit, spooky stuff! fake e:https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/i46eoi/william_peter_blatty_the_exorcist_author_cia/ The podcast Inward Empire has a miniseries about South Vietnam, and it goes into Tom Dooley and Operation Passage To Freedom. US intelligence used horrendous scare tactics about demonic communists and threats of nuclear war to convince people to flee their homes. The US repeated a lot of the tactics in Cuba after the revolution there. People would flee the new communist governments even without those campaigns, but the US definitely contributed to the fear and eventual dislocation of plenty of more conservative people.
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Wasabi the J posted:"QAnon is stupid. I just believe all the same poo poo coincidentally!" Any belief in a elite pedophile ring of which Donald Trump is not a willing participant can be ignored prima facie. pecan posted:On that recent TrueAnon, Robbie Martin of media roots radio is p convinced steve pieczenik is involved (ex-CIA who was sent by the US to help "mediate" the release of kidnapped aldo moro but stalling negotiations until the Red Brigade just killed moro). If ur worried about CIA creativity, Robbie also mentions that Pieczenik underwrites most Tom Clancy novels. We're all somehow forgetting 'Pizza Gate,' a conspiracy theory that shared 99% of Qanon's DNA that was being actively spread around by Alex Jones, 'Wierd Mike' Ssshernovich and a bunch of other alt-right weirdos who were in Roger Stone's orbit. Roger Stone, in case you've forgotten, was the campaign manager of a certain friend of Jeffery Epstein, and 'Pizza Gate' appeared shortly after court documents related to Epstein got released in which one of his victims claimed that both this friend and Epstein had raped her. Qanon is just a Pizza Gate fan-fiction which is became wildly popular among stupid boomers. Whether is was created by Jim Watkins (a stupid boomer) or the CIA (largely staffed by stupid boomers, including Steve Pieczenik) or some random 4-channer (either a stupid boomer or a stupid boomer trapped in a younger man's body) is up to interpretation. pecan posted:if we’re posting Jeff Kaye articles I would heavily rec his most recent work crawling through CIA communiques to unearth probably some of the best domestic evidence of US biowarfare in the Korean War that is still denied to this day 
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oh ya sorry I was on my phone warning, it's a big one https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-real-flood-of-bacteria-and-germs-communications-intelligence-and-charges-of-u-s-4decafdc762
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Guy makes a thread about chapo’s subreddit being taken down as a CIA op, Reddit took down the post and bans user based on their Anti-Evil policy.  https://www.chapo.chat/post/56333
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Reinventing Collapse by Dmitry Orlov is a wonderful book, probably a far more important book for any of us to read than any lofty ultra-white-collar-crime novel right now in 2020. Orlov witnessed different years of the Soviet Collapse and took its lessons to heart, writing extensively about strange pathological situations that emerged once the regime fell apart. He identified who fared the best in those situations and how, and why most of that stuff would never work in the US due to worse infrastructure and safety net. It's a great read for those of us who wish to make lifestyle adjustments that are most helpful for survival. However, I thought the Epstein thread might get a chuckle out of this paragraph near the end. Seems like the one biggest blind spot I encountered of Orlov's across the whole of his otherwise brilliant thought experiment on life during capitalism's fall. 
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:Any belief in a elite pedophile ring of which Donald Trump is not a willing participant can be ignored prima facie. I think one of the things people miss about Qanon is something people miss about stupid propaganda in general. Just because one group or someone may have created it for shits and giggles or as an op, doesn't mean other groups won't run to it and try and steer it another direction. IE, it's almost certainly Watkins and the Russians due to their relationship with him were probably first to the watering hole and the biggest predator there and it's known they are setting up sites for drops to harvest information. But that doesn't mean that a bunch other predators didn't see the herd of gullible suckers and lunatics rushing to drink there and then come running as fast as they could to get in on the feeding frenzy. Which is how you get poo poo like Epstein where there is a US, Russian, Israeli, and UK angle with multiple groups from each showing up. After a while it just seems to turn into a mess where nobody from the outside can figure who is doing what and sometimes it seems as though the people on the inside have no loving clue either. It turns into a perpetual bullshit machine.
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MysteriousStranger posted:I think one of the things people miss about Qanon is something people miss about stupid propaganda in general. Just because one group or someone may have created it for shits and giggles or as an op, doesn't mean other groups won't run to it and try and steer it another direction. Hmm wow strange who would benefit from all that doubt and confusion???
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Wasabi the J posted:Hmm wow strange who would benefit from all that doubt and confusion??? probably the cia and other intelligence agencies. it’s not like their entire industry is based off of it or anything. what’s your argument?
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