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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I think the designed to die argument is bullshit. They’re just cheaply made with poor quality steel, with corners cut to save money wherever possible (poor fittings, seals, etc). The company wants profits now. That you have to buy a other one in five years is more of a happy accident. If you cut enough corners that it dies in the warranty period they're out money. So at the very least they're designed to live that long, and if you cheap out as much as possible they aren't gonna live much longer. Also the concept of planned obsolescence is a documented thing, but 'more profit now' and 'more profit later' are accomplished by the same thing here. Fantastic Foreskin has a new favorite as of 14:04 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Some Goon posted:If you cut enough corners that it dies in the warranty period they're out money. So at the very least they're designed to live that long, and if you cheap out as much as possible they aren't gonna live much longer. You can pretty accurately design an engine or whatever to last at a minimum n years. The outliers don't really matter in the big picture; what matters is that most units fail within a few years of the guarantee period having ended.
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colas posted:Anyone know what's up with new appliances regarding planned obsolescence? My parents just replaced a 5-ish year old refrigerator. A nice, brushed steel, pretty fridge. The first compressor went, the warranty covered it. 5 years later it dies again. Replacement is $1200. Might as well get a new one. The repairman - "they design these to die after 5 years". Do any new appliances last? Old fridge = whirlpool, new one = Samsung. Does it even matter that they switched? A lot has to do with weight reduction, lower weight equals lower transportation cost. So the panels become thinner, and there's more plastic. Also there's more electronic control. A few years ago, the buttons on my parents' new dishwasher just stopped working. It was under warranty, so a guy came and put a brand new control board in it. I looked at the old board - integrated circuits, everything surface mounted. Once the supply of electronic components for a particular model runs out, you are not going to be able to repair those newer appliances. Or at least not cost-effectively, which leads to my last point... And automation and outsourcing drove down the price of appliances a lot in the past forty-fifty years. Comparatively, the cost of having your stuff repaired has not gone down. Often when someone tells you that something can't be repaired, what they really mean is that they can't repair for a price that most consumers are willing to pay.
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I think it’s fair to say “don’t attribute to malice” Planned obsolescence used to mean there is always some bullshit feature we can add to next years’ model that will make your 2020 refrigerator look like poverty. Except that’s not and shouldn’t be the case.
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You can totally still buy appliances that will last and which are designed to be repairable for many years. They'll just cost you the same as two or three (or maybe six) consumer grade equivalents.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:I think it’s fair to say “don’t attribute to malice” No it didn't. Planned obsolescence is a thing that companies (and cartels) have been doing since the early 1900s at least, to make more money. They actually put money into researching ways to make their products break down. Check out the Phoebus cartel. It would be really weird to think things like this aren't still going on because... why wouldn't they (aside from cartels, you can get dinged for that)? There's no law against making your products suck and if you can make more money by making your products suck, you basically have to do it to make your share-holders happy.
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ReidRansom posted:You can totally still buy appliances that will last and which are designed to be repairable for many years. They'll just cost you the same as two or three (or maybe six) consumer grade equivalents. Whether for home use or to start a restaurant, always buy restaurant equipment used. There's a never ending supply of failed restaurants in normal times, doubly so now.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I think the designed to die argument is bullshit. They’re just cheaply made with poor quality steel, with corners cut to save money wherever possible (poor fittings, seals, etc). The company wants profits now. That you have to buy a other one in five years is more of a happy accident. Yeah, I'm more inclined to believe this. I think happy accident is maybe putting it too lightly--maybe it is a minor design goal. But I agree--I don't believe that planned obsolescence is the main design goal for consumer goods nowadays.
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silence_kit posted:I don't believe that planned obsolescence is the main design goal for consumer goods nowadays. In terms of feature set, it might show up here and there. In terms of reliability, it never is. If your Samsung fridge dies in 5 years, you probably won't be buying another Samsung fridge and you'll probably tell your friends not to get one either. The cost of that is greater than the margin Samsung would get by selling you one replacement fridge.
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My friend, wait until you learn about the racket that is the HVAC business. Air Conditioners and Furnaces that have long parts warranties that fail after 3 years. No problem, we got your $50 part covered. But here's a bill for $800 for labor and coolant that's not covered. They have separated the product and the installation as two completely different entities. Why should the installer warranty his labor when the furnace is at fault? We warranty our labor, but how do you tell if it's a fault with the installation or the machine? How should the HVAC manufacturer warranty the labor? Our part didn't fail because it was cheaply made it was, it failed because they installed it wrong! How can you prove either? All the while you're significant other and children are freezing/melting and you have urgency to just get it resolved.
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colas posted:Anyone know what's up with new appliances regarding planned obsolescence? My parents just replaced a 5-ish year old refrigerator. A nice, brushed steel, pretty fridge. The first compressor went, the warranty covered it. 5 years later it dies again. Replacement is $1200. Might as well get a new one. The repairman - "they design these to die after 5 years". Do any new appliances last? Old fridge = whirlpool, new one = Samsung. Does it even matter that they switched? 
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Slimy Hog posted:Got new earbuds How do you like them? I have the EA 65 that got replaced under warranty and while I am happy with them I’d be down for an upgrade.
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colas posted:Anyone know what's up with new appliances regarding planned obsolescence? My parents just replaced a 5-ish year old refrigerator. A nice, brushed steel, pretty fridge. The first compressor went, the warranty covered it. 5 years later it dies again. Replacement is $1200. Might as well get a new one. The repairman - "they design these to die after 5 years". Do any new appliances last? Old fridge = whirlpool, new one = Samsung. Does it even matter that they switched? I think Samsung appliances especially have a reputation for early compressor failure. Looks like there’s even a class action lawsuit about it, though I don’t know anything more than the headline there. Yale Appliance Blog says that the big problem is that Samsung is now the most popular appliance manufacturer in the US, but their servicing hasn’t kept up with their growth, which leads to difficult to obtain parts and so many repair shops refusing to work on them. I can see how that works create an echo chamber of negativity when you have early failure of easy to replace parts that just can’t be replaced. 3D Megadoodoo posted:No it didn't. Planned obsolescence is a thing that companies (and cartels) have been doing since the early 1900s at least, to make more money. They actually put money into researching ways to make their products break down. Check out the Phoebus cartel. It would be really weird to think things like this aren't still going on because... why wouldn't they (aside from cartels, you can get dinged for that)? There's no law against making your products suck and if you can make more money by making your products suck, you basically have to do it to make your share-holders happy. The Phoebus Cartel was to control incandescent lightbulb lifespan so nobody produced lights that would last all that long, right? This is a really good episode of 99% Invisible about a pre-cartel lightbulb that has been burning continuously for over 100 years Cartels definitely still exist, like the artificial joint manufacturers in the US. Of the 7, 5 are in Warsaw Indiana and all collude to fix pricing and strategically not complete against each other. They have such sway especially in the US, that whenever someone gets joint surgery, they’re required to have a representative from the joint manufacturer in the operating room to upsell a different joint. Nowhere else does that happen, and the entire surgery (with the exact same joint) can be had in a developed country for less than the cost of the joint alone in the US.
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OSU_Matthew posted:The Phoebus Cartel was to control incandescent lightbulb lifespan so nobody produced lights that would last all that long, right? Wrong. Why would you even say that 
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OSU_Matthew posted:The Phoebus Cartel was to control incandescent lightbulb lifespan so nobody produced lights that would last all that long, right? Carbon filament bulbs lasted longer, but were really inefficient compared to tungsten filament bulbs, IIRC something like half of the visible light output for the same amount of power consumption. The Centennial Light is kind of a fun oddity. But you can also argue that although it technically still works, its useful life has ended a long long time ago - it started as a 60 watt bulb, but now glows like a 4-5 watt tungsten bulb. It's like having a 100-year old washing machine that still technically works, but can only handle one single sock at a time.
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I'm interested in what everyone is buying gift-wise for the upcoming holidays. I could use some inspiration.
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Male Tears posted:I'm interested in what everyone is buying gift-wise for the upcoming holidays. I could use some inspiration Pops got a Vornado space heater with remote. Niece and Nephew are getting small form factor pc’s built from my old parts. Snuggies are a good present this time of year too. Friend of mine got a rear brake for his bicycle. Another friend is getting a retroid 2 once it gets to the US.
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Male Tears posted:I'm interested in what everyone is buying gift-wise for the upcoming holidays. I could use some inspiration I've gone down the rabbit hole of getting a lot of kitchen goods for people in the family who never really cooked before, along with at home activities/pampering. Tea samplers for mom, tofu press for vegetarian brother, individual sriracha packets for idiot brother, nice soaps and bath bombs for sister, aliexpress cleavers for everyone, unicorn pepper mills, nice tea towels. Coffee gear and good beans for various people. Nephzinho has a new favorite as of 17:02 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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sterster posted:They make these specifically for that. Searzall. If you are thinking about buying a Searzall, at the moment there is no way to buy a real one. The real manufacturer got delisted from Amazon recently and only knockoffs are currently available. It looks like the image you used is actually a knockoff, here is what the real one looks like: http://www.bookeranddax.com/searzall I don't own one, I only know this because they team that made it also have a podcast called Cooking Issues and the latest episode has twenty minutes of ranting about how they got delisted right before Black Friday. https://heritageradionetwork.org/series/cooking-issues
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Male Tears posted:I'm interested in what everyone is buying gift-wise for the upcoming holidays. I could use some inspiration. I bought my wife a couple of shearling coats and perfumes etc. But I need ideas for fun, small gifts. I’d also like to find some weird and interesting flavour coffee beans for her
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Bape Culture posted:
Does she like the taste of civet?
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Bape Culture posted:I bought my wife a couple of shearling coats and perfumes etc. But I need ideas for fun, small gifts. Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Does she like the taste of civet? Yeah, you gotta go with the Kopi Luwak! (could be considered cruel) There's also a similar coffee, but elephants poo poo it out instead of civets, so maybe look into that? Barring that, if she's into booze, many indie roasters are making awesome barrel aged (rum, bourbon, etc.) coffees that rock. I would recommend you check out a few of the places local to me but they keep selling out of the barrel-aged stuff, so maybe look around your own metro area.  Finally, I saw durian flavored coffee at an Asian grocery recently but I was too afraid to try it. Maybe y'all can...
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[goons take abysmal care of their belongings] Ugh what is this worldwide conspiracy of planned obsolescence!!!!
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OSU_Matthew posted:I think Samsung appliances especially have a reputation for early compressor failure. Looks like there’s even a class action lawsuit about it, though I don’t know anything more than the headline there. I know when I was shopping for a washer and dryer a few years ago, the salesperson at Lowes said the Samsungs are good, but almost unfixable in this area. They won't work with local shops, so you are reliant on Samsung.
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 Star Wars 2020 Lego Advent Calendar. Since the whole COVID thing, I haven't been able to take my kid on $5 Toy Friday trips. Hopefully this makes up for it until he gets his Christmas gifts.
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Nephzinho posted:I've gone down the rabbit hole of getting a lot of kitchen goods for people in the family who never really cooked before, along with at home activities/pampering. Any particular AliExpress knives to look for?
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Time for a new TV! https://www.vizio.com/tvs/p759g1.html It's replacing an 8 year old 53" Toshiba. Streaming apps don't work anymore and it randomly has a dead line down the middle of the screen that only goes away after yanking the power. The old one is also pretty underwhelming in the big rear end room in our new house. 75" should be about right.
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Snowmankilla posted:Any particular AliExpress knives to look for? I got gifted a CCK earlier in the year and fell in love with using a cleaver for bulk veggie prep, so i bought: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32577621142.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.69bb4c4dwjYg5s for about every vegetarian I know.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Wrong. Why would you even say that Google says I’m right though? Per Wikipedia: “The cartel lowered operational costs and worked to standardize the life expectancy of light bulbs at 1,000 hours[6] (down from 2,500 hours),[6] and raised prices without fear of competition. The cartel tested their bulbs and fined manufacturers for bulbs that lasted more than 1,000 hours. “ It was also to control regional sales and distribution of lightbulbs, but one of their purposes was indeed to limit light bulb life span to drive sales.  For content, I’ve been enjoying Katamari Damacy reroll on the switch so much I sprung for the vinyl: 
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I've started buying all of my Christmas gifts. For my brother I got him a Lodge Combo Cooker and other kitchen stuff.
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I got my recently graduated brother a 3-cup Zojirushi rice cooker/warmer. I kind of just get him things that I want to have. I always get my parents kitchen stuff, so I'm really trying to avoid that this year. I was thinking maybe some monthly subscription to something, but nothing's really standing out. Anybody know of any good ones at a decent price? I was thinking something edible - they don't really need "stuff"
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well since you got the rice cooker you should get him a big bag of msg or at least a big bag of rice and something to store it in. and if he wants to make fried rice get some soy, oyster, and fish sauce too and maybe a wok, I keep my rice in a big bucket from Lowe's
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Captain Lavender posted:I got my recently graduated brother a 3-cup Zojirushi rice cooker/warmer. I kind of just get him things that I want to have. For coffee, I really like the Counter Culture subscription. Misfits is great for fruits and veggies assortment. Anymore we just bake stuff for gifts. Jams, cookies, that sort of thing. Goes over great and doesn’t create more stuff for people that don’t need it.
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Captain Lavender posted:I got my recently graduated brother a 3-cup Zojirushi rice cooker/warmer. I kind of just get him things that I want to have. I know something that costs 10$
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colas posted:well since you got the rice cooker you should get him a big bag of msg or at least a big bag of rice and something to store it in. and if he wants to make fried rice get some soy, oyster, and fish sauce too and maybe a wok, I keep my rice in a big bucket from Lowe's Seconding the Standard Asian Cook Starter Pack. From there he can buy expansions as needed, like the Single Burner Propane Stove and Wok, or the Steam Baskets for dim sum/ meat buns.
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On today’s episode of what weird rear end poo poo did I buy today: (1) Soviet Screwdriver This steel just bleeds red white and sickle
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OSU_Matthew posted:On today’s episode of what weird rear end poo poo did I buy today: The Soviets used a wait no gently caress!
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Creality Ender 3 Pro, excited to try this whole 3D printing thing 
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Coffee And Pie posted:Creality Ender 3 Pro, excited to try this whole 3D printing thing What're you gonna pront?
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