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Dirk the Average posted:Honestly, if Hillary were president, there's a chance that we might not have even had the pandemic, especially if we had had people on the ground in China working to figure this thing out and contain it ASAP. Honesty given the half measures implemented even in most democratic controlled states I have a hard time believing it wouldn't still be a thing. It probably would be better controlled, but not beaten.
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Erenthal posted:Big man Garrison. These people think they're 1776 revolutionary war guerilla fighters lol, when in reality they're too scared to talk back to an old man in case someone throws a punch so they just bitch on the internet
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Moon Slayer posted:lol "someone called me out for not following the posted requests for social distancing but I was too scared to say anything so I went home and wrote a blog about it." What's sad is this isn't the first time he's done this.
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Dirk the Average posted:Honestly, if Hillary were president, there's a chance that we might not have even had the pandemic, especially if we had had people on the ground in China working to figure this thing out and contain it ASAP. We would have had a pandemic no matter what, but if Hillary were president I would guess that tens of thousands fewer people would have died. In this hypothetical I assume anti-maskers are still a thing and the 2018 blue wave never happened, but we would have had some semblance of a federal response to the pandemic instead of nothing.
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fool of sound posted:Honesty given the half measures implemented even in most democratic controlled states I have a hard time believing it wouldn't still be a thing. It probably would be better controlled, but not beaten. See also the abysmal performance of Hillary's ideological counterparts in Europe such as liberal technocrat and Roman sun god Jupiter Macron in France. And he even had a legislature controlled by his party, which a Hillary Clinton administration wouldn't, although I suppose her executive orders might be upheld 4-4 in the supreme court until Ginsberg died and then she started losing every case 4-3. Arguably the pandemic might even be worse under her since she'd be unlikely to get even the first round of stimulus passed, so ymmv on whether her ability to use executive orders and the DPA while Ginsberg was alive would outweigh the stimulus.
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beepsandboops posted:we would have had some semblance of a federal response to the pandemic instead of nothing. What we had was literally worse than nothing since Trump's administration started seizing medical supplies and ventilators and redistributing based on patronage instead of need. This is corrosive to cooperation, the thing that is most needed to get an infectious disease under control, because the states and federal government all started looking at each other as enemies. That's how we got poo poo like states importing supplies in secret since they were afraid that the federal government would seize them on entry if they knew about it.
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Erenthal posted:Big man Garrison.
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Johnny Walker posted:They always do this. Remember Katie Couric got conservatives mad for asking Palin hard-hitting unanswerable GOTCHA questions like "What newspapers do you read?" That was an unanswerable question for Palin. I doubt she could even name a newspaper, let alone ever read one.
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Robert Ariail Because it took me a second: They're spineless. Clay Bennett  Lisa Benson  Jeff Danziger  Al Goodwyn  Phil Hands  Clay Jones  Kevin Kallaugher  Brian McFadden  Jack Ohman  Mike Ramirez  Rob Rogers  Jeff Stahler  Gary Varvel  Signe Wilkinson 
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:Gary Varvel * Citation needed.
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:Robert Ariail
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:* Citation needed. That number is wrong, but most Republicans seem to feel the election was stolen. It's not great. quote:(Reuters) - About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump “rightfully won” the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.
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Really tough guy sounding post where the main story boils down to “Someone called me out on my bullshit and I really wanted to say something but I’m a loving coward so I stared at my feet and said nothing then got home and whined about it on the internet”. We’re you wearing your dumb gently caress cowboy hat at the same time. Zyklon Ben? Because that would be perfect 
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:That number is wrong, but most Republicans seem to feel the election was stolen. It's not great.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:That number is wrong, but most Republicans seem to feel the election was stolen. It's not great. No, no, Trump is a mad king who's pants are falling down and has no power anymore! Don't be a scold!
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Lurdiak posted:No, no, Trump is a mad king who's pants are falling down and has no power anymore! Don't be a scold! both are true!
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Lurdiak posted:No, no, Trump is a mad king who's pants are falling down and has no power anymore! Don't be a scold! I think the thing I wrote was absolutely clear that what Trump is doing is extremely dangerous but it's also not actually changing the outcome of the election, which is a victory people should take in a time where there's not that many. Like we straight up faced a nightmare scenario for a democracy, the sitting president spent months saying there was going to be massive fraud and set up a plan where he would declare victory early and sue to stop votes from being counted. There wasn't voter intimidation all over, there wasn't attacks on polling places, he tried to declare victory early and stop the count, but it didn't work. We faced another nightmare scenario where the sitting president called the election that ousted him illegitimate and asked his supporters to gather in the capital, and there were fewer people there than there were celebrating his loss spontaneously. He has lawyers in front of judges he appointed asking them to throw out thousands of votes, and they're getting thrown out of court instead. His DOJ has been slavishly devoted to him, to a scandalous degree, and could've easily said something that would've added more legitimacy to his claims. Barr said there wasn't voter fraud today. Like, we all know poo poo's bad, man. But we have to take the victories where we get them. Grondoth fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Dec 2, 2020 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Out of curiosity, how many Democrats thought that Trump stole the 2016 election? I assume it’s less than that but it’s probably more than zero. A lot of them people just really wanted a copout answer rather than accepting that our election system is awful even when it’s operating as intended. It isn't a non-zero number because there are plenty of Dems who believe that the ONLY reason Trump won is the nebulous "Russian Interference" But that number isn't THAT big compared to like the millions of Republicans who with no evidence believe this election was "stolen" in some manner. At least the Russian interference actually happened
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:Clay Jones gently caress Lester for his transparent pivot to "everything sucks" now that there's a Democrat who still doesn't have any power, but it's also important to say gently caress this guy for acting like Biden is best buddies with Netanyahu after all the poo poo Trump just got done pulling in Israel.
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betaraywil posted:gently caress Lester for his transparent pivot to "everything sucks" now that there's a Democrat who still doesn't have any power, but it's also important to say gently caress this guy for acting like Biden is best buddies with Netanyahu after all the poo poo Trump just got done pulling in Israel. He is, though
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betaraywil posted:gently caress Lester for his transparent pivot to "everything sucks" now that there's a Democrat who still doesn't have any power, but it's also important to say gently caress this guy for acting like Biden is best buddies with Netanyahu after all the poo poo Trump just got done pulling in Israel. he...he is....Biden has had nothing but support for Bibi even in the Obama administration when Bibi literally campaigned against him as a guest of congress...
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Samurai Sanders posted:Out of curiosity, how many Democrats thought that Trump stole the 2016 election? I assume it’s less than that but it’s probably more than zero. A lot of them people just really wanted a copout answer rather than accepting that our election system is awful even when it’s operating as intended. UZworm posted:It isn't a non-zero number because there are plenty of Dems who believe that the ONLY reason Trump won is the nebulous "Russian Interference"
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Dylan16807 posted:Does voter suppression count as stealing, or do we mean just things like falsifying the count? We need to change how the voting system is intended to work. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Dec 2, 2020 |
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Really tough guy sounding post where the main story boils down to “Someone called me out on my bullshit and I really wanted to say something but I’m a loving coward so I stared at my feet and said nothing then got home and whined about it on the internet”. We’re you wearing your dumb gently caress cowboy hat at the same time. Zyklon Ben? Because that would be perfect My favourite bits are these quote:“You’re not even wearing a mask!” he muffled. I ignored him, but I wanted to wheel around and say “Cool it, Dr. Fauci.” However, two grown men exchanging insults could quickly escalate into fisticuffs, and my right cross isn’t what it used to be. So I ignored him. quote:Before we as a nation descend into a ChiCom-style nightmare that the globo-socialists have planned for us, we need to start rebelling. We need to resist!!! (not me though)
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Samurai Sanders posted:Out of curiosity, how many Democrats thought that Trump stole the 2016 election? I assume it’s less than that but it’s probably more than zero. A lot of them people just really wanted a copout answer rather than accepting that our election system is awful even when it’s operating as intended. YouGov had a poll after the 2016 election where 42% of Democrats said the election was rigged (22% of the total results). Although, in fairness, there were a lot of headliner stories about red states blocking people from voting, along with all the stuff about Hillary's emails, Russian hacking of the DNC's server, etc. On the other hand, a few weeks before the 2016 election, 73% of Republicans (41% of voters) said the election might be stolen from Trump by fraud.
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Rall: Here's the Real Reason Foreigners Want to Come to the United States Ted Rall posted:By most objective standards of quality of life, the United States has become one of the worst advanced countries in the world to live in. And things are only getting worse.
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Fister Roboto posted:To be fair, the 2016 election was rigged since Clinton won the popular vote. It was just rigged in a perfectly legal way.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Rigged in the same way that you can lose a basketball game even if you made more baskets because fewer of them were three pointers. Rigged in the way that it's obviously and clearly undemocratic, which is bad, genius
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there wolf posted:but China is using a doctored image in their statement about it, so there's an equivalent level of bullshit from both parties even if one is a much more valid form of criticism overall. It's a political cartoon, not a "doctored image". That's just something the Australian head of state made up to avoid addressing the real issue of their war crimes
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Samurai Sanders posted:Rigged in the same way that you can lose a basketball game even if you made more baskets because fewer of them were three pointers. Politics: a team sport where the two ways to get anywhere are to pass responsibility to someone else in a hurry, or to just dribble constantly
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