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Is this a different leak than the one several days ago?
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Dec 2, 2020 07:37
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SourKraut posted:Is this a different leak than the one several days ago? IDK, probably not. But Linus was talking about it and also sort of jizzing over the rumored specs. Supposedly going into 13" MBP and 24" iMac. Supposedly goes toe to toe with i9 27".
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Dec 2, 2020 08:08
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Can you dorks post some links to whatever news you’re talking about instead of vague references to random YouTube videos you’ve watched?
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Dec 2, 2020 08:22
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FCKGW posted:Can you dorks post some links to whatever news you’re talking about instead of vague references to random YouTube videos you’ve watched? No I already spend too much time here
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Dec 2, 2020 08:23
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Crunchy Black posted:For dev folks, do you have a way to quantify if/how/when your Neural Engine is being utilized whether in compile or app utilization? sudo powermetrics ANE Power: 0 mW DRAM Power: 174 mW Clusters Total Power: 279 mW GPU Power: 68 mW Package Power: 615 mW These numbers are me watching a 1080p twitch stream while postin'. ANE is Apple Neural Engine, completely power gated here. "Clusters" is the sum of the power used by the E-Cluster (efficiency cores) and P-Cluster (performance cores). Each cluster gets its own more detailed breakout which looks like this: E-Cluster Power: 134 mW E-Cluster HW active frequency: 1519 MHz E-Cluster HW active residency: 48.82% (600 MHz: .02% 972 MHz: 43% 1332 MHz: 7.4% 1704 MHz: 4.5% 2064 MHz: 45%) E-Cluster idle residency: 51.18% cpu 0 frequency: 1634 MHz cpu 0 idle residency: 78.23% cpu 0 active residency: 21.77% (600 MHz: .00% 972 MHz: 6.3% 1332 MHz: 2.7% 1704 MHz: 1.2% 2064 MHz: 11%) cpu 1 frequency: 1622 MHz cpu 1 idle residency: 82.63% cpu 1 active residency: 17.37% (600 MHz: .00% 972 MHz: 4.6% 1332 MHz: 3.0% 1704 MHz: 1.2% 2064 MHz: 8.6%) cpu 2 frequency: 1656 MHz cpu 2 idle residency: 84.43% cpu 2 active residency: 15.57% (600 MHz: .00% 972 MHz: 4.0% 1332 MHz: 2.3% 1704 MHz: .94% 2064 MHz: 8.4%) cpu 3 frequency: 1640 MHz cpu 3 idle residency: 87.51% cpu 3 active residency: 12.49% (600 MHz: 0% 972 MHz: 3.3% 1332 MHz: 1.9% 1704 MHz: .87% 2064 MHz: 6.4%) I don't think I've ever seen ANE above 0mW, for what it's worth.
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Dec 2, 2020 09:08
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grahm posted:I still wouldn't buy this for a primary video editing computer (lol, that I can say that with a straight face about a base MBA is amazing). The 16" performs better for me, though for people editing a lot of H265 the Air might actually be better. Also, 16" is obvi a more enjoyable screen size for editing, the 16" speakers are wildly better (one of the most underrated things about that computer), and four USB-C ports feels necessary if you're doing anything with external media. I'm probably going to end up getting a 16" AS Pro for exactly those reasons. I still don't regret this Air. Outside of the speakers and display size, it's mind-bendingly better than the 15" late 2013 it replaced, and I'm hoping to resell it or trade it in to recoup most of the cost when it's time to upgrade.
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Dec 2, 2020 09:16
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BobHoward posted:sudo powermetrics Ah perfect thanks!
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Dec 2, 2020 09:46
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Crunchy Black posted:Ah perfect thanks! powermetrics is available on Intel too btw, the output's considerably different because the sensors are different but there's still interesting stuff there
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Dec 2, 2020 10:58
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The most up to date version of STATA should now be native on Apple Silicon... definitely curious because STATA is a big expensive driver of hardware for us research wise, and also one of the areas where you need to open huge datasets in RAM.
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Dec 2, 2020 15:48
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I tried the "ML Resize Image" option in Pixelmator Pro and powermetrics does show the Neural Engine being used: ANE Power: 2578 mW I can also see some activity from a process called "aned" and another called "ANECompilerService".
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Dec 2, 2020 16:32
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Since it was such a major talking point in this thread, I'm a little curious about what kind of workflow uses three displays and doesn't have one of those monitors as mostly text/other basic imagery that would be served just fine by something like displaylink. I'm not arguing that they don't exist, I'm just interested in what activity really benefits from that.
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Dec 2, 2020 19:33
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I was wanting to get the 16GB RAM 1 TB SSD M1 Macbook Pro today but wow that delivery time. If I get 16 GB, 1 TB, it says I won't get it until Jan 5. That's such a long time. If I stick with 8 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, I'll get it Dec 10. Also $400 less. I just want Final Cut Pro to be as good as it can be. That's the only intensive thing I use that I'm concerned over. Will I regret getting 8 GB?
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Dec 2, 2020 20:02
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some bust on that guy posted:I was wanting to get the 16GB RAM 1 TB SSD M1 Macbook Pro today but wow that delivery time. If I get 16 GB, 1 TB, it says I won't get it until Jan 5. That's such a long time. If I stick with 8 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, I'll get it Dec 10. Also $400 less.
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Dec 2, 2020 20:05
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some bust on that guy posted:I was wanting to get the 16GB RAM 1 TB SSD M1 Macbook Pro today but wow that delivery time. If I get 16 GB, 1 TB, it says I won't get it until Jan 5. That's such a long time. If I stick with 8 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, I'll get it Dec 10. Also $400 less. Have you been looking locally, if there's an Apple Store near you? Each day they could potentially receive limited stock of the 16GB/1TB config, so it's worth it to keep checking. Kenny Logins posted:If you’re ordering online can’t you just return the 8GB after seeing if it handles your FCP needs? I didn’t see mention of a restocking fee or anything. Should be able to, and there's an extended return period now.
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Dec 2, 2020 20:28
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Yeah we’re at the point where stock is in stores but shipping delays are highest so you’ll want to drive out to whichever Apple store nearby has it instead.
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Dec 2, 2020 20:33
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I got this 16/1TB Air less than 24 hours from ordering on Black Friday through this One Weird Trick! step 1: be awake at like 2am because COVID work from home hours step 2: on a whim, before going to sleep, try starting an order to see if delivery dates have improved from the last few times I tried step 3: notice that holy poo poo, a local Apple Store is showing as having it available for pickup step 4: irresponsibly spend money step 5: pick it up same day I suspect that the website / Apple Store app refreshes in-store pickup inventory some time each night, so you might need to vampire it up like me to snag one before all the stock is spoken for on that day.
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Dec 2, 2020 21:17
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All the Apple stores near me say that they're only open for pickup of online orders. Not welcoming walk-in customers at this time. How much is the extended return period?
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Dec 2, 2020 21:17
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some bust on that guy posted:All the Apple stores near me say that they're only open for pickup of online orders. Not welcoming walk-in customers at this time. Don’t just walk in. If you can’t pick it up same/next day on the website they don’t have it. Check every day for in store pickup and if it shows order and go get it. That being said I feel like you may regret 8GB ram for FCP.
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Dec 2, 2020 21:39
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Base MBA should be fine for my wife to online shop and log in to work via Citrix right?
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Dec 2, 2020 21:52
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Kingnothing posted:Don’t just walk in. If you can’t pick it up same/next day on the website they don’t have it. based on what? doesn’t seem to be an issue in reviews. i edited a lot of 1080p on my 2010 11-inch air. and it had 4 gigs. i’m confident the m1 version can handle 4k fine
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Dec 2, 2020 21:52
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Residency Evil posted:Base MBA should be fine for my wife to online shop and log in to work via Citrix right? It's the perfect machine
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Dec 2, 2020 21:54
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mediaphage posted:based on what? doesn’t seem to be an issue in reviews. i edited a lot of 1080p on my 2010 11-inch air. and it had 4 gigs. i’m confident the m1 version can handle 4k fine https://larryjordan.com/articles/ram-cpu-and-libraries-in-apple-final-cut-pro-x/ Some simple Final Cut Pro effects on ram. Realistically, you can edit in Final Cut Pro on nearly anything. But 8GB will for sure slow you down vs 16GB, especially as you get to longer projects and higher resolutions. Also consider that if resolutions keep going up (they most likely will) or HDR becomes more prevalent (it will) that will tax the ram even further. Add to all this that VRAM is shared with system ram on the M1 machines. The 8GB will work, but I suspect in a year or two you’ll end up regretting it.
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Dec 2, 2020 21:59
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some bust on that guy posted:All the Apple stores near me say that they're only open for pickup of online orders. Not welcoming walk-in customers at this time. Standard Return Policy ... You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you received it.”
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Dec 2, 2020 22:08
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Select a 16gb/512 Air and the pickup status goes from "Currently unavailable for pickup at [your local store]" to "Apple Store Pickup is currently unavailable." So I don't think they're planning to stock 16GB/<1TB in store at all. Best bet might be to wait for B&H or whatever to stock em.
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Dec 2, 2020 22:08
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mediaphage posted:based on what? doesn’t seem to be an issue in reviews. i edited a lot of 1080p on my 2010 11-inch air. and it had 4 gigs. i’m confident the m1 version can handle 4k fine Simple math seems to dictate that if 1080p is fine on 4 gigs, then to be safe you should get 16 gigs to handle 4 times as many pixels?
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Dec 2, 2020 22:12
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You’re drunk if you’re editing video on 4GB My brother used to edit HD skateboarding clips on my PowerBook G4 with 1GB Fucker also downloaded like ten gigs of music on 56k so I’m not saying he’s okay in the head
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Dec 2, 2020 22:35
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i was being intentionally obtuse with the 2010 air comment but “resolutions are going to keep going up” is not a good reason imo to bother at this point in time. the new systems are different enough and have enough reviews talking about how good they are specifically with fcp and video editing that i would want to see hard comparisons on the effect 8 vs 16 gigs of ram would have before i started throwing out hard recommendations.
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Dec 2, 2020 23:11
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mediaphage posted:i was being intentionally obtuse with the 2010 air comment but “resolutions are going to keep going up” is not a good reason imo to bother at this point in time. the new systems are different enough and have enough reviews talking about how good they are specifically with fcp and video editing that i would want to see hard comparisons on the effect 8 vs 16 gigs of ram would have before i started throwing out hard recommendations. It’s ram. We’re not talking about new CPU changes. Just because the ram lives in the Package now doesn’t mean it functions any differently. I would argue 8GB is already insufficient for video editing in a professional software package.
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Dec 2, 2020 23:32
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My take is if you are thinking of optioning these M1 computers to $1,500+ and you don’t need a new computer right now, just wait for the pro models (unless for some reason you just need a ton of storage). The base Air or mini are a great value, but I feel like even the base 4-port MBP whenever that comes out will likely crush the most optioned-out of these computers for ~$1800 — and hopefully with an updated form factor more intentionally designed for Apple silicon.
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Dec 2, 2020 23:39
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SourKraut posted:Have you been looking locally, if there's an Apple Store near you? Each day they could potentially receive limited stock of the 16GB/1TB config, so it's worth it to keep checking. Kingnothing posted:Don’t just walk in. If you can’t pick it up same/next day on the website they don’t have it. Thanks everyone but especially for these posts saying to keep checking. I did and they have one now and didn't have it earlier, so I bought that one. I didn't know it worked like that. I thought the site would let you know if the store would be getting them soon. Got 16 GB to be safe.
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Dec 3, 2020 00:51
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i’m aware that ram is still ram but the new systems are better at taking advantage of it by all accounts. i’m not saying there’s no value in an upgrade, i’m saying that unless you need a new system tomorrow and have a bunch of cash to spare it’s worth waiting and seeing what people who will inevitably buy both get as a result when they compare. i’m skeptical it’s going to be as big of a difference for video editing specifically, especially below 8k res, than most people instantly assume
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Dec 3, 2020 00:52
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I think the caveat is that if you have an intel mac that's still got some value, then sell it now and buy an M1, because intel macs are going to be completely worthless very soon.
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Dec 3, 2020 00:54
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If that were actually true then why wouldn't they already be worthless?
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Dec 3, 2020 00:59
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Just sold my 16” for $1700 which I will save until the 14” pro comes out whenever that happens. Pretty happy with my M1 air at the moment.
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Dec 3, 2020 01:29
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If you edit video to earn a living, but work alone and render locally buy the 16GB. In all other cases the 8GB -should- be okay. Using a full h.265 workflow will help a lot, and if you’re rendering remotely that helps more. The real RAM eater is post-processing and animation, so if you do lots of that I’d go 16GB no matter what but only you know what you’re usually working with.
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Dec 3, 2020 01:55
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Bob Morales posted:You’re drunk if you’re editing video on 4GB Your brother sounds awesome
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Dec 3, 2020 02:35
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Penisaurus Sex posted:If you edit video to earn a living, but work alone and render locally buy the 16GB. If you edit video to earn a living then get a Mac Pro and use Premiere tbh
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Dec 3, 2020 02:35
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American McGay posted:If that were actually true then why wouldn't they already be worthless? I think there's a brief time where not all the apps run well on the M1 so people will stick to the Intel for 6-12 months.
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Dec 3, 2020 03:03
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Quantum of Phallus posted:If you edit video to earn a living then get a Mac Pro and use Premiere tbh Yeah, I just meant in the context of buying a laptop.
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Dec 3, 2020 03:07
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