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New Yorp New Yorp posted:All of the QAnon folks I follow are being pretty boring right now. Here's something one of them posted that's not QAnon-related but made me laugh: I'm starting to think we should put the lead back in the gasoline and get it over with.
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Twelve by Pies posted:There's two flavors of "Yoga is evil" in Christianity, the first is "the physical exercise parts are okay, but the meditations are evil so don't do those," and "All of yoga is bad, even the physical exercise parts, because they are designed to make your body easier for demons to enter." Anyone who’s gone to yoga with a bad bout of gas knows that it’s far more likely that it’s expelling demons from your body, not making it easier to enter.
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My Mormon mom definitely told me that all forms of meditation open you to possession because clearing your mind creates space for the evil spirits
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nonathlon posted:That's a great book too that from the sounds of things lines up with what Ehrman says. There's some controversy about that I don't quite understand, which seems to be "how dare the author try and interpret the gospel!" but it seemed fairly solid to me its chuds being mad that he was born muslim (iranian immigrants from before the revolution i believe) but his family was pretty non practicing so he found Christianity young super hard and than realized how nuts and literalist evangelicalism was. i mean i have heard his book is basicaly a more pop history version of Ehmans stuff (i got one of his classes off audible) but all the controversy came from dumb chuds like this clown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYRkzznsc0&t=1s america has a super literalist strain of evangelical that i don't think many other countries have.
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Internet Wizard posted:My Mormon mom definitely told me that all forms of meditation open you to possession because clearing your mind creates space for the evil spirits "Meditatio" is a Latin word used by monastic writers to describe the kind of praying where you sit around thinking about how great Hod is and poo poo and it will never stop being funny to me how much American Christians hate the foundations of Christianity.
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Internet Wizard posted:My Mormon mom definitely told me that all forms of meditation open you to possession because clearing your mind creates space for the evil spirits That's almost literally Warhammer 40k's 'An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded'. Amazing
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There are yoga... "sects"? regarding "kundalini" which can easily be interpreted as "awakening the inner serpent" which is obviously suspicious from certain perspectives. really though it's probably just about physical exertion and stretching leading to good intestinal behavior with a metaphysical overlay lol some practitioners are even up front about it stringless fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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Burning_Monk posted:I'm starting to think we should put the lead back in the gasoline and get it over with. just start selling q wine with lead as a sweetener like the romans what christians hate about yoga in my experience is the suggestion that everyday people are divine in some respect. this may be something that was added to their hate over time, but that's what i hear
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Back in the good old days we had all the lead we wanted. In the air, in the toys, in the wall paint. And nobody whined about it like a little bitch and nothing bad happened to us *votes for Donald J. Trump in the presidential election 50 years after severe lead exposure*
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betaraywil posted:"Meditatio" is a Latin word used by monastic writers to describe the kind of praying where you sit around thinking about how great Hod is and poo poo and it will never stop being funny to me how much American Christians hate the foundations of Christianity. My mom had grown up Lutheran before converting as an adult so she sometimes had some weird syncretic beliefs that tried to fit in some of the weird evangelical stuff with the more scriptural literalist Mormon beliefs. I’m pretty sure there’s nothing in doctrine about meditation like that.
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mediaphage posted:just start selling q wine with lead as a sweetener like the romans Isn't that core doctrine for Protestants? I'm just a dumb Catholic but I thought that was a Thing.
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Nov 28, 2020 14:25
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Christianity in 2020 is a cudgel to be used politically and anyone proclaiming otherwise is useful.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Isn't that core doctrine for Protestants? I'm just a dumb Catholic but I thought that was a Thing. couldn't tell you, but it certainly wasn't when growing up southern baptist
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It's more a thing of super-Protestants like Quakers/Society of Friends, and their idea of Inner Light.
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Guavanaut posted:It's more a thing of super-Protestants like Quakers/Society of Friends, and their idea of Inner Light. ahh that makes sense given what little i know about those groups
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Xiahou Dun posted:Isn't that core doctrine for Protestants? I'm just a dumb Catholic but I thought that was a Thing. Not quite. What you are thinking of is "the priesthood of all believers", where all Protestants are able to connect directly to God through prayer, without needing any external priestly adaptor. But if you do this and you get the 'wrong answer', you weren't listening to God at all.
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Guavanaut posted:It's more a thing of super-Protestants like Quakers/Society of Friends, and their idea of Inner Light. It's also big in Orthodox theology, where they talk about theosis. If you do enough ascetic practice and pray hard enough, you can prioritize the divine nature within you over the human nature and come into greater, truer communion with God. Come to think of it, it's also big in Jesuit theology, where the communion of prayer is one in which Jesus empties himself of divine energy in order to become more human, because that shared humanity (perfected in Christ) is the medium through which Christ can bestow grace on the praying (or otherwise sacred-stuff-doing) person.
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FFT posted:Christianity in 2020 is a cudgel to be used politically and anyone proclaiming otherwise is useful. Uh, always was. See Constantine, the crusades, the selling of benefices and indulgences, kings going protestant to divorce spouse and etc..., etc..., etc....
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It was one of Martin Luther’s primary complaints about the war against the Ottomans, that the Church was encouraging it to extract more money out of Germans.
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Murgos posted:Uh, always was. See Constantine, the crusades, the selling of benefices and indulgences, kings going protestant to divorce spouse and etc..., etc..., etc.... That gently caress Charlemagne!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its chuds being mad that he was born muslim (iranian immigrants from before the revolution i believe) but his family was pretty non practicing so he found Christianity young super hard and than realized how nuts and literalist evangelicalism was. i mean i have heard his book is basicaly a more pop history version of Ehmans stuff (i got one of his classes off audible) but all the controversy came from dumb chuds like this clown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYRkzznsc0&t=1s america has a super literalist strain of evangelical that i don't think many other countries have. Thanks for this. I couldn't figure why people were complaining that a religious studies scholar was writing about religion.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. there is a short poppish history book by Reza Aslan thats about how jesus was probably just a big disciple of John the Baptist who took off on his own and was basically a slightly smarter Zealot rebel who took the Jewish messiah claimant like the 20 other dudes were doing around that time. the whole temple sacking was about him getting mad at the temple allowing gentiles and overly complicated cleansing rituals. I like this book a whole lot because it talks about the era in far more political terms than most do. Also: I am talking to a cult deprogrammer tonight about Q for my youtube channel. Anyone have any last minute questions lemme know.
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Calico Heart posted:I like this book a whole lot because it talks about the era in far more political terms than most do. This might be silly, but, if your person has any experience, are there any parallels between religious cults and, say, MLM scams? Could the techniques used to deprogram cult followers also be used to unfuck the brains of Huns?
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Calico Heart posted:I like this book a whole lot because it talks about the era in far more political terms than most do. yeah. thats probably why i liked it. its also a pretty good "intro to historical jesus and the time period 101". Id probably ask them, what's the most difficult part of deprograming them. nonathlon posted:Thanks for this. I couldn't figure why people were complaining that a religious studies scholar was writing about religion. yeah. the american right is stupidly literalist and fundamentalist's when it comes to Christianity and not even in just the "covering for bigotry" sense. i suspect its why poo poo like Qanon and the satanic panic has such fertile soil.
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Calico Heart posted:I like this book a whole lot because it talks about the era in far more political terms than most do. I guess my question would be what deprogramming someone from Q would look like? A lot of them seem to have gotten into it via some other fringe beliefs, including left-leaning ones. In a cult deprogrammer's experience, does someone who leaves a cult generally fall back to an earlier belief system on the fringe or do they start chasing something else entirely? Basically, would someone who has been stewing in Q for the last few years "revert" to eccentricities like simply distrusting nuclear power, vaccines, thinking Climate Change is a means to launder grant funding, etc. Do they accept a more broadly accepted view of reality that the rest of us have to work with? Or do they fall into some new extreme?
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Marx Was A Lib posted:This might be silly, but, if your person has any experience, are there any parallels between religious cults and, say, MLM scams? Could the techniques used to deprogram cult followers also be used to unfuck the brains of Huns? There's an episode of The Dream all about this. The answers are kinda-sorta and no. (In large part because cult deprogramming is one of those things that is practiced by both people with formal, evidence-based psychological/psychiatric training and hucksters who are making it up as they go along and just kind of abuse mentally ill people for money.)
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betaraywil posted:There's an episode of The Dream all about this. The answers are kinda-sorta and no. (In large part because cult deprogramming is one of those things that is practiced by both people with formal, evidence-based psychological/psychiatric training and hucksters who are making it up as they go along and just kind of abuse mentally ill people for money.) The problem with cult deprogramming is that the whole movement was based on an idea of "brainwashing" that doesn't actually exist in reality. In reality there's slim to no evidence that brainwashing is even real, but a whole cottage industry sprung up around the idea that people could be turned into mindless zombies with just the right mind-control techniques, and that people needed to be kidnapped and "deprogrammed" to save them from this. In reality it was all a bunch of bullshit, and unsurprisingly, kidnapping people could leave them with worse mental trauma than the cult they were supposedly being "saved" from. Edit: To a very limited extent brainwashing can exist, but only in situations where someone is being held prisoner and subjected to torture and fear of death, like a North Korean POW camp, and even then the brainwashing has only limited effectiveness and usually wears off after a while once the prisoner has been rescued from the situation. All other things labeled brainwashing are better understood as just: 1. Being socialized in a particular way as a child. or 2. Being fed propaganda. I think QAnon is closest to #2. These people are being fed endless garbage propaganda about non-existent conspiracies and threats, and told to tune out any source of information that isn't in line with the propaganda. IMO there's a growing fascist right in the US, and it's feeding its adherents whatever propaganda appeals most to them. For Evangelicals, it's the QAnon nonsense about satanic baby-eaters. For others it's just generic garbage about how the election was stolen. The end goal is the same: to demonize Democrats and get followers to be zealous supporters of right-wing fascist candidates for office. Sucrose fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Dec 2, 2020 |
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So it doesn’t exist but it does. People in cults are clearly acting completely of their own free will.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:All of the QAnon folks I follow are being pretty boring right now. Here's something one of them posted that's not QAnon-related but made me laugh: I never knew Christians hated Yoga so much Was it part of the Satanic Panic? My god Boomer beliefs are so loving bizarre  You need a chart to keep track of everything they think is and isn't a Satan TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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TulliusCicero posted:I never knew Christian's hated Yoga so much Can't, charts are Satan as well. Why do you think they attacked D&D so hard? All that talk of magic and demons was a cover for the true satanic power of charts. When in doubt just assume it's Satan, thats what I learned as a kid when a friend's mom was convinced the Nembutsu I repeated when asked to lead a prayer before dinner was actually me speaking in tongues to summon Satan.
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TulliusCicero posted:I never knew Christian's hated Yoga so much If it's popular, and it's not Jesus, it's satanic Yoga, rock music, dungeons and dragons, it's all the devil's work
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TulliusCicero posted:I never knew Christian's hated Yoga so much Of course they hate Yoga, it was made made by filthy heathen Indians. The only reason white Christians don't hate us much more is because Indians don't make the news often.
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I have a pet theory that a lot of it is just boomers hating what "the youth" is into so they justify it as satanism to give them clout
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RagnarokAngel posted:I have a pet theory that a lot of it is just boomers hating what "the youth" is into so they justify it as satanism to give them clout partly but i think alot of it is just weird leftovers from the cultural shitshow that was the satanic panic and the moral majority evangelicals that held big big sway nationally 70s through 90s/early 2000s. that poo poo doesnt fly well with gen x/milenials/zoomers who remember being on the reciving end of that bullshit. least the former two do.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Of course they hate Yoga, it was made made by filthy heathen Indians. I actually saw a clip of the 700 Club from forever ago with a 20-something guy talking about how he found jesus, even after dabbling with hinduism in college. He made it sound like he'd escaped the clutches of satan himself
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:I actually saw a clip of the 700 Club from forever ago with a 20-something guy talking about how he found jesus, even after dabbling with hinduism in college. He made it sound like he'd escaped the clutches of satan himself Born again? They always repaint their pasts as being horrendous and vile.
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:He made it sound like he'd escaped the clutches of satan himself He had.
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Tbf converting to Hinduism as a westerner is pretty goofy, Jesus saved him from being one of those guys.
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Mantis42 posted:Tbf converting to Hinduism as a westerner is pretty goofy, Jesus saved him from being one of those guys. I mean, to Evangelicals, the threshhold for "dabbling in another religion" is hearing about it and thinking "huh, that's kinda neat" instead of instantly putting on the Armor of God to pray the demons away.
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Mantis42 posted:Tbf converting to Hinduism as a westerner is pretty goofy, Jesus saved him from being one of those guys. Again this was years ago, but I recall it being much closer to "learned about hinduism and thought it was cool" than any kind of conversion
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