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IShallRiseAgain posted:The god thing pisses me off less than the whole everybody deciding to give up modern technology thing. Its basically a mass suicide. I loving hate primitivist poo poo like that. No, Lee adama, living without toilet paper, deodorant, contraception, medicine, indoor plumbing etc is in no way desirable and it is wholly unbelievable that an entire group of people would simply choose to throw all of that away no matter how traumatized and worn down they are The thing that kills me is they could have hung a hat on that by just having one line about a bunch of humans deciding to gently caress off back into space with the cylons centurions aboard their basestar. I mean I could see some humans being dumb enough to give up technology like the bidet but not all of them. Plus it would have helped imply that perhaps the cycle could be broken, to help balance out the depressing robot montage at the very end of the show
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Tighclops posted:I loving hate primitivist poo poo like that. No, Lee adama, living without toilet paper, deodorant, contraception, medicine, indoor plumbing etc is in no way desirable and it is wholly unbelievable that an entire group of people would simply choose to throw all of that away no matter how traumatized and worn down they are Or, if they didn't want to shoehorn them the fleet being humanities' ancestors (and thus, having reduced themselves back down to illiterate hunter-gathers) they could have just had the last jump take them to an uninhabited earth-like planet where they break bread with the Cylons and form a new shared civilisation without sending the average human lifespan back down to 40
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Okay thinking a bit more about my VOY rewatch it is ofc a very flawed show but I just realized one thing, and I am wondering if it is a (one of many) plothole: The USS Dauntless with that super fancy ultra slipstream Warp Drive was tech from a race that was mostly Assimilated by the Borg right? From what I can tell turn of events is Borg try to get a race > they evade with superior tech most of the times >Borg busy with Species 8472 so they are "safe" > Janeway fucks over Delta Quadrant with her Alliance > USS Dauntless revenge plot. While not fully conquered yet this very much implies that that race with the slipstream drive did have quite a bit of assimilation already, so why doesn't 7of9 know about it or at least have a "hey, wait a minute" moment. And thus their own attempts at slipstream later in the show be much easier. I am also way overthinking a at best sloppy written show ofc.
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Starting every episode with an intro that says "And they have a plan" and then it turns out that the cylon plan was that they thought god had a plan was pretty dumb. I honestly don't even remember why the cylons were attacking the humans. I was bummed that Caprica got cancelled, because that world was kind of interesting and I wanted to see more of it.
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As much as I loved Dean Stockwell's performance as Cavil it really feels like the Cylons became a bunch of petulant teenagers in the back half of the show
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Tighclops posted:As much as I loved Dean Stockwell's performance as Cavil it really feels like the Cylons became a bunch of petulant teenagers in the back half of the show Have you seen Caprica?
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Cojawfee posted:Have you seen Caprica? It was incredibly obvious that when Caprica was originally pitched it had nothing to do with Battlestar Galactica, but its setting was just similar enough that executives thought they could get away with attaching the BSG name to it.
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Following Battlestar Galacticast it seems a common truth that Moore always said that Galactica was a 4 season show and that while a lot of detail was up for grabs, the beginning and end points were always clear vision. The show is more than 'god did it'. From season one we are told that this is a story of the human-cylon child and how that's the hope for peace in the future. That is very much what drives many of the events in the show.
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BSGod was a monster on a scale I can only barely wrap my brain around if I stop to think about how that show ended for longer than 30 seconds
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Lol Skelator resurrected Klingon Jesus, awesome.
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Tighclops posted:BSGod was a monster on a scale I can only barely wrap my brain around if I stop to think about how that show ended for longer than 30 seconds I mean it's strongly implied to be something very much like the old testament god YHWH. Even back in season 2 Head Six says he damns the souls of anyone who dies on Kobol to oblivion for the sin of returning to the planet, he was always characterised as an aloof and authoritarian prick and not a peace and love Jesus guy
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:At least voyager didn’t have a cast member who got into an insane sex cult and had slaves what
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Nikki Clyne, who played Cally in BSG, joined NXIVM, and was the wife of Alison Mack (possibly to evade immigration laws), the actress who was a recruiter for the cult, and supposedly arranged women to become sex slaves for the leader.
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Epicurius posted:Nikki Clyne, who played Cally in BSG, joined NXIVM, and was the wife of Alison Mack (possibly to evade immigration laws), the actress who was a recruiter for the cult, and supposedly arranged women to become sex slaves for the leader. Nikki Clyne also had her own personal group of slaves who were branded and had to send in dirt on themselves every month as a form of collateral to ensure they never left
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Nikki Clyne also had her own personal group of slaves who were branded and had to send in dirt on themselves every month as a form of collateral to ensure they never left Lol I got her autograph at a con like 10 years ago.
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Epicurius posted:Nikki Clyne, who played Cally in BSG, joined NXIVM, and was the wife of Alison Mack (possibly to evade immigration laws), the actress who was a recruiter for the cult, and supposedly arranged women to become sex slaves for the leader. I did not know this. I thought someone had brought Smallville into the conversation for some weird reason. Keith Raniere deserves so much worse than he's ever going to get.
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Duckula posted:Lol I got her autograph at a con like 10 years ago. you've been in the sex cult the whole time, soon you'll be activated
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Dec 2, 2020 03:11
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trying to give enterprise a second chance but christ archer is such an insufferable rear end in a top hat
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Crusader posted:trying to give enterprise a second chance but christ archer is such an insufferable rear end in a top hat Skip to the third season and start there.
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Crusader posted:trying to give enterprise a second chance but christ archer is such an insufferable rear end in a top hat That’s the point. Enterprise gets a lot better when you realize Archer is an idiot, and T’Pol is always right.
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I really do think they intended Archer to start as a dumbass and learn how to be a captain over the course of the series, learning from T'Pol, Shran, presumably a Tellarite eventually, but poorly conveyed it.
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nine-gear crow posted:It should be noted that, with a hint of irony, BSG ends up in arguably a bigger flaming trash heap than Voyager does largely because Moore had no idea where he was going with it, what he was doing, got too clever by half with it, and then threw his hands up and went "I dunno... God did it. Yes, literally God." after his one clever twist wound up breaking the show into splinters. poo poo like the hilariously contrived about-face on the resurrection virus plotline, or the magical half-breed baby blood temporarily curing cancer, was a far worse betrayal of the show's alleged guiding principles than hokey mysticism. Ron Moore said he wanted a show that wasn't afraid to face consequences, but he proved himself a coward who would
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Still to this day I'm not quite sure why they cast quantum leap as Archer.
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quantum leap was just holodeck episodes https://youtu.be/Yzg10X0lN5I
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piratepilates posted:Still to this day I'm not quite sure why they cast quantum leap as Archer. And now he's a navy cop
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Wheeee posted:quantum leap was just holodeck episodes I can't say that's one of the holodeck scenarios I would choose. Technowolf posted:And now he's a navy cop I had absolutely no idea he was doing an NCIS, how had I missed that for 6 years.
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piratepilates posted:I had absolutely no idea he was doing an NCIS, how had I missed that for 6 years. Oh boy
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Cojawfee posted:Starting every episode with an intro that says "And they have a plan" and then it turns out that the cylon plan was that they thought god had a plan was pretty dumb. I honestly don't even remember why the cylons were attacking the humans. I was bummed that Caprica got cancelled, because that world was kind of interesting and I wanted to see more of it. The Cylons wanted to figure out biological reproduction and needed human stock I think? But instead of just kidnapping random humans no one would miss among 12 planets of humans, they just had to go all exterminate on them.
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Grand Fromage posted:I really do think they intended Archer to start as a dumbass and learn how to be a captain over the course of the series, learning from T'Pol, Shran, presumably a Tellarite eventually, but poorly conveyed it. The problem is that that vision inherently clashes with the other motif of the show, which is that Humanity's emergence on the galactic stage is the catalyst for the Federation coming together. So you have some episodes where Archer is a dumbass and makes things worse and has to learn how thing really are from T'Pol, but they are interlaced with other episodes where Archer is a dumbass but this time he happens to be actually right and he solves the problems the other races can't.
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And the whole time, regardless of what a childish fuckup he has been, the crew venerates him for some reason.
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I still wish the first shot of Bacula had been him beaming onto the ship.
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Well the first three episodes of Voyager held up better than I remembered Now I'm on to my favorite episode, that being The One Where Someone Steals Neelix's Lungs
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"Lung and Lung! What Is Lung?!"
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Drink-Mix Man posted:And the whole time, regardless of what a childish fuckup he has been, the crew venerates him for some reason. lmao i just watched him commit an act of space piracy along with his senior officer
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8one6 posted:I still wish the first shot of Bacula had been him beaming onto the ship. Cold open of Archer beaming in to an alien room. Flipping open his communicator we hear T'Pol speak through it "The delegations are awaiting your arrival, it's crucial that the Andorians and Tellarites maintain their new peaceful relations if we are to withstand the new Romulan threat". Archer steps forward and pushes open a doorway, then immediately jumps back as an Andorian goes flying past him. Peering into the room he sees complete chaos as the representatives of the two races engage in a full on bar-room brawl. We zoom in on Archers face. "Oh boy" Opening credits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b83_IqWT2Rw
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lmao this episode where a Q requests asylum and Janeway somehow manages to twist herself into the position that the continuum's incarceration practices aren't relevant because it's not her position to just another society's justice system what the gently caress does she think asylum is from if not from the government of their society
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That was actually a good episode but I'm not sure Janeway knows what the word asylum means
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