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PeterCat posted:You should just accept that riding a bicycle isn't compatible with American roads instead of trying to force the issue.  Talk to me about how unreasonable city cyclists are after you’ve had a driver stand over you and screaming right after they opened their door into the bike lane, sending your highly visible rear end flying over the bars for having the temerity to ride your bike where you’re legally allowed to. gently caress car culture and its enablers, and I say this as someone who has a car as well. Edit: Hyrax Attack! posted:It was fascinating learning how Italy was straight up defeated by Ethiopia in 1896 and lost 6,000 guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adwa The Museum of Addis Ababa has more than a few things that throw low-key shade at the Italians, including one picture with the caption that says something to the effect of “this depicts the first time the Ethiopians evicted Italian colonizers from their land” or something like that. pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Hyrax Attack! posted:It was fascinating learning how Italy was straight up defeated by Ethiopia in 1896 and lost 6,000 guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adwa Yeah late colonial era warfare (thank you Age of Rifles) has some really fascinating stuff going on that you’re lucky to get a decent Wikipedia article or Potential History video about. ASAPI posted:That issue is not restricted to Philly. I've had bikers scream "share the road" at me while in the middle of the left lane where I am.
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Dec 3, 2020 20:20
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pantslesswithwolves posted:highly visible rear end 
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PeterCat posted:You should just accept that riding a bicycle isn't compatible with American roads instead of trying to force the issue. That's a mega bullshit take, but continue being OK with dead kids, climate change, white flight, racial segregation, etc. Also mind you I live in a city that was majority built before WWII which means bicycles and pedestrians (and boats and horses, trains, etc.) were here well before the first car existed - not all of America is whatever whitebread McMansionville you're talking about.
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Dec 3, 2020 20:23
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Cars kill shitloads more pedestrians. But here's the trick: Dead pedestrians can't post online about how they are dead, but someone who got yelled at by a bicyclist can.
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Dec 3, 2020 20:31
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quote:You don’t need to do your Lance Armstrong cosplay with a half a dozen people on a back road that doesn’t even have sidewalks or wide roads. Like this isn’t even commuting. I'm not big into group road cycling like that, but if you're doing 50-100 mile rides you've gotta go somewhere. Fault the government for not building proper infrastructure. Victim blaming of people hit by cars, or being mad at those using the only (made mostly around cars) infrastructure available is gross and one of those most infuriating things that American society mostly accepts wholesale. I'm not going to single any specific person out, but those whining about bicyclists loving suck and need to reassess themselves.
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Dec 3, 2020 20:31
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Flying_Crab posted:I'm not big into group road cycling like that, but if you're doing 50-100 mile rides you've gotta go somewhere. Fault the government for not building proper infrastructure. Victim blaming of people hit by cars, or being mad at those using the only (made mostly around cars) infrastructure available is gross and one of those most infuriating things that American society mostly accepts wholesale. Trust me these aren’t 50-100 mile things. It’s white peoples in the suburbs. I’m not even talking about a danger aspect (honestly I’m more terrified having to go around then in one lane roads..or that have inclines and you can’t see over it) or lol you got hit, honestly I haven’t read of any cases in my area (and unless you’re a Nazi or Confederate on a bike I’d feel horrible hitting someone). It’s more goddamn pick a better location (and speaking to this people I encounter...not you obviously. It’s because they want the hills and dips vs flat. But at the same time you don’t do 100m breast strokes in a plastic kiddie pool. That said people have weird opinions about mandatory helmet laws, that if they were talking about seat belts you’d expect them to start talking about Ron Paul shortly afterwards. I’m also cool with programs using tax money to provide helmets to those who can’t afford them or use rental ones regularly. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Dec 3, 2020 20:37
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Also it’s funny how that thing went from being reported as a robot, to just being garbage with a cell phone attached. I feel like this describes all the things I got excited reading about in Popular Science
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Also dumbass drivers are just highly normalized. You get cut off by someone driving on a cellphone, it may not even click as unusual, because it's so common. But the time someone driving a car gets stuck behind some bicycles going 18 mph in a 30 zone, oh boy, Americans have a special memory storage space in their brains for that to sit and fester.Zamujasa posted:the worst cyclists are the ones who ignore traffic lights and other poo poo. yep just gonna cruise through this intersection without even bothering to look when cross traffic has the green, gonna be a statistic in the morning Even better is when a motorist loses their mind on a cyclist because the cyclist stopped. Or because the cyclist refuses to break the law and ride on sidewalks (the place where dogs and children walk around). This isn't uncommon. Take how dumb the average driver is, then give them something they see not terribly often (a bicycle), and then watch their head explode when they findout the bicycle is not just entitled to, but required to take a space and stop for stop signs etc when there's not a bike-made alternative. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Dec 3, 2020 20:49
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MazelTovCocktail posted:That said people have weird opinions about mandatory helmet laws, that if they were talking about seat belts you’d expect them to start talking about Ron Paul shortly afterwards. honestly a government program to give out free or cheap bikes and helmets would be great
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Zamujasa posted:honestly a government program to give out free or cheap bikes and helmets would Fixed that for you. But seriously, I’ll take a Bidencycle.
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Dec 3, 2020 20:59
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I guess it's been like a year since we had the bikes v cars debate that took up 15 pages so we were due
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Dec 3, 2020 21:00
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Thwomp posted:Fixed that for you. 
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Dec 3, 2020 21:02
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Waiting for the helmet derail of the derail
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:I guess it's been like a year since we had the bikes v cars debate that took up 15 pages so we were due Yeah, probably. In that time, probably only about 800-900 bicyclists have been killed by motor vehicles and another 6,000-7000 pedestrians killed by motor vehicles. (and obvs wear a helmet, whether on bicycle or motorbike)
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Dec 3, 2020 21:04
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Zamujasa posted:honestly a government program to give out free or cheap bikes and helmets would be great Yeah I mean I was told once that helmet laws would just discourage lower income Americans from riding bikes and that would be bad...so problem solved. sharknado slashfic posted:Waiting for the helmet derail of the derail Uh yeah about that...it wasn’t intentional.
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Dec 3, 2020 21:06
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Why does Florida have a bicycle helmet law but not a motorcycle helmet law
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Woofer posted:Florida
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Woofer posted:Why does Florida have a bicycle helmet law but not a motorcycle helmet law I’d say Gary Busey, but I think that was California.
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Dec 3, 2020 21:12
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Woofer posted:Why does Florida have a bicycle helmet law but not a motorcycle helmet law I don't think that's accurate. Pretty sure it's only required for 16 and younger in FL or in specific localities.
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Dec 3, 2020 21:14
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Yeah I mean I was told once that helmet laws would just discourage lower income Americans from riding bikes and that would be bad...so problem solved. The data has shown that mandatory helmet laws discourage cycling, which when looked at on a population basis results in more mortality due to more driving or the health consequences of being sedentary. Also there have been some studies that show drivers pass cyclists faster & more dangerously if they're wearing a helmet vs not. I would say yes, absolutely wear a helmet on US streets but mandatory helmet laws are not a good thing for bicycles. Don't tell me better isn't possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHsAaZI3hfc
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Coming from chicago, where they make token gestures to being bike friendly, and visiting places like Munich and Amsterdam, who have purpose built bicycle infrastructure annoys me because it’s so much better. Everything is so well thought out and orderly. The cyclists don’t share lanes with cars and trucks. They have their own traffic signals integrated into the light patterns. They even have a bunch of areas with barriers between cyclists and drivers. In chicago you have a bike lane in between traffic and parked cars AND the turning lane. Meaning there are constantly vehicles crossing the bike lanes when they are even present a lot of the city lacks bike lanes. Also cops park in the bike lane all the time. People get mad at cyclists, occasionally rightly generally wrongfully, because they way Americans do bike infrastructure is awful. I guarantee that cyclist doesn’t want to be taking up a lane doing 18 in a 30. It’s incredibly stressful when there’s some irate guy riding your rear end with a line of cars behind him and you can’t reasonably go any faster.
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Flying_Crab posted:The data has shown that mandatory helmet laws discourage cycling, which when looked at on a population basis results in more mortality due to more driving or the health consequences of being sedentary. Also there have been some studies that show drivers pass cyclists faster & more dangerously if they're wearing a helmet vs not. I would say yes, absolutely wear a helmet on US streets but mandatory helmet laws are not a good thing for bicycles. They also tend to be used much more heavily against minority bike riders & as a basis for a "what are you doing in this neighborhood" stop. But that's less an issue with the laws and more the police.
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https://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/1334597042430152706
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Every drat thing is projection.
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Flying_Crab posted:For cyclists it is generally much more dangerous to ride in the parking lane or close to it, and the law in many (most?) places allows cyclists to use the full lane just like any motor vehicle. Weaving in and out or in the door zone is frequently deadly to cyclists, they're doing it for a reason. But on the other hand they should make an effort to let you pass when it's safe to do so. Ehhh... What you are talking about and what I am are two totally different things. First, I try to go out of my way to be nice to both bicyclists and motorcyclists. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I killed either. That being said... There is a difference between the road you are talking about and there being a shoulder, bike lane, right lane, left lane, AND a sidewalk. What would make you think the left lane is the correct choice? Around here people on bikes choose ANYTHING but the designated bike lane. Why do I have to dodge bikes when both driving AND on foot? The more racing gear someone has, the more likely they are going to be a dick. Don't even get me started on the packs of riders taking up an entire or multiple lanes of traffic on roads with a limit of 70. Yeah, super safe. Great way to "share the road".
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Is there any way for that process to even be completed before he leaves office? Also get hosed you fat orange fascist godamn
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Dec 3, 2020 21:53
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Its always the best when you have the 30 man packs of bikes filling the entire lane to the dividing line instead of using the 4 foot wide paved bike path thats set off the road for them to use instead of loving up traffic in a 55mpg road
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Dec 3, 2020 21:54
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Stravag posted:Its always the best when you have the 30 man packs of bikes filling the entire lane to the dividing line instead of using the 4 foot wide paved bike path thats set off the road for them to use instead of loving up traffic in a 55mpg road The best part is riders flipping you off or throwing water bottles at you when you honk at them for running red lights.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1334601317021577228?s=21 Trump lost PA again.
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Stravag posted:Its always the best when you have the 30 man packs of bikes filling the entire lane to the dividing line instead of using the 4 foot wide paved bike path thats set off the road for them to use instead of loving up traffic in a 55mpg road I don't know how many of you have been on your local bike paths, but I'd wager they're all similar to the ones around me and you'd destroy your balls just riding normally on a mountain bike, much less a road bike if you rode on them. And a lot of those "bike paths" are also shared use, so you'll have a group of 30 riders, going in excess of 20mph, trying to avoid pedestrians. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed, and the only way to really do it is to dump money into infrastructure specifically for bicycles.
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:Is there any way for that process to even be completed before he leaves office? Also get hosed you fat orange fascist godamn It really annoys me how many “libertarians” I know that defend what he does as just part of the political process. I had one try to gaslight me when I called it pushing towards fascism. I pointed out multiple reasons (jail opponents, suppress minority groups, abolish free press) and he still was like “well that’s not fascism because it doesn’t include socialism.” I wanted to punch him so badly but need to keep my career.
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Taking a break from oppressing poor widdle dwivers with my mean ol’ bicycle to bring you this https://twitter.com/VancityReynolds/status/1334134478042587137
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Dec 3, 2020 22:08
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Also lol at bike people complaining. I don’t think they have to worry about bike lane issues...since they never use them in the first place. Yeah I like bicycles and hate most cyclists. Am I abiding by vehicle rules or pedestrian rules? Whichever one benefits me at that moment in time.
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Dec 3, 2020 22:23
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CainFortea posted:The best part is riders flipping you off or throwing water bottles at you when you honk at them for running red lights. The consequences of someone running a light as a 200lb bicycle/rider at 12mph vs a 4,000 pound vehicle going 30-50mph are not in any way comparable. Also a lot of lights detect cars in order to change the signal, a bicycle usually will not trip that function and thus the bike is stuck there. If there is basically no traffic I slow at intersections to probably 5mph, if it's clear hell yeah I run the light (this is actually becoming legal in a lot of places, e.g. the "Idaho stop"). Admittedly I do see plenty of dumb cyclists who run lights at full speed without even slowing, which to be quite frank is borderline suicidal behavior. Still almost all of the risk of serious harm is undertaken fully by them, as opposed to cars being a threat to anyone around them, even on the sidewalk (of which there have been several people killed on the sidewalk by cars in the time I've lived here). quote:Around here people on bikes choose ANYTHING but the designated bike lane Most designated bike lanes are absolute poo poo, again usually placed against the drivers door of cars along side the parking lane forcing riders to ride in just about the most dangerous part of the street (scroll up to see someone here relating their story of getting doored) where a dooring often means you're then struck and potentially killed by a passing car. The core issue here is infrastructure: we design only for cars and don't give a gently caress about pedestrians, children, bicycles, environmental concerns, etc. Stop blaming anyone but the cars here.
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Flying_Crab posted:The consequences of someone running a light as a 200lb bicycle/rider at 12mph vs a 4,000 pound vehicle going 30-50mph are not in any way comparable. They're usually the same consequence actually. Also, lol since the intersection this happens at the most has a bike specific light with a button they push to stop all car traffic to let them pass with a green light. Edit: Also also, this particular intersection is at the end of a bridge with a really wide pedestrian and bike lane on both sides, and i've seen plenty of bikers push pedestrians into walking on the bike lane because they're on the pedestrian lane. CainFortea fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Dec 3, 2020 22:27
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Motorists angry about bicyclists while failing to see car problems are analogous to men whose pet issue is that maybe a woman will lie about DV or assault or something.
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So I've been hearing stuff about the 230 repeal gaining traction because donny is upset, is there any actual news to this?
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