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Speaking of Ryn, I would have liked it a lot more if Osyraa was only after him because he was the first person to speak out against her and to escape. We've already seen she's vengeful this episode so it would have fit better. Then he can casually bring up the fact they are running out of dilithium.
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I thought that was weird, I can see it being a secret from the average person under the thumb of the emerald chain or one of its actual slaves but there'd be too many people involved for only two people in the galaxy to know it. How connected was Ryn? For all he knows, he is the only one who knows, but perhaps he's just the big-knower of this one arbitrary camp he was in. This episode was fine, I got my expectations up from the initial melodramatic reactions I saw here. The Star Wars space battle was a little silly but at least it was for a character moment. Kind of seems like they should've just blew the thing up entirely. Seems inevitable that attacking would mean war, might as well take out their evil leader while you can. Saru seems like he's in for big trouble, he basically did exactly what Michael would be going behind his back to do if he didn't.
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Khanstant posted:I thought that was weird, I can see it being a secret from the average person under the thumb of the emerald chain or one of its actual slaves but there'd be too many people involved for only two people in the galaxy to know it. How connected was Ryn? For all he knows, he is the only one who knows, but perhaps he's just the big-knower of this one arbitrary camp he was in. I forget what we learned about Ryn when he was first introduced, but it seems like he was a member of Osyraa's inner circle. Perhaps he's another mutineer first officer! On another note entirely, it feels odd we haven't had any Sphere AI weirdness since it suggested movie night to Saru a few episodes back. I expected that to be a slow burn throughout this season but with only 5 episodes remaining perhaps they're leaving that plot thread for next season.
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Senor Tron posted:With Frakes directing I wonder if the manual control moment was a bit of an Insurrection joke. Oh it had to be, I thought the exact same thing. Even Frakes admits how hokey it was the first time.
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Crusader posted:i think i take back a lot of my criticism of eaves Eaves gets poo poo on quite a bit, but if you actually read the interviews he does and the way he explains his designs and the circumstances surrounding them (usually a lot of executive bullshit and time crunch, like above), he actually makes a lot of sense and seems like a pretty decent dude.
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jassa posted:I forget what we learned about Ryn when he was first introduced, but it seems like he was a member of Osyraa's inner circle. Perhaps he's another mutineer first officer! I thought he was a popular guy that led the rebellion the first time so they made him an overseer to make everyone else hate him?
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Crusader posted:i think i take back a lot of my criticism of eaves Fuller’s description of his early story plans makes total sense with how Discovery was presented as this Philadelphia Experiment-esque ship of secrets initially.
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This show is so overwrought. This is a great quote from the Elliot Page thread: quote:A thing that used to be great about trek was that it was primarily a workplace. If you were a shape-shifting blob or a host-linked parasite or a robot or a non-binary human, cool, but your primary identity was your rank and role. Personal identity was ultimately subsumed under a common goal. I think this is now not considered to be good (or at least not ‘woke’) so identity is given a bigger emotional weight in the modern shows, and the characters are made to be unrealistically insecure in those identities to play up the drama. I don’t like it, personally. It sure as hell doesn’t come across futuristic and it’s bleak to portray a future where people are STILL insecure about gender or uncomfortable about discussing it. The Adira/pronouns and Agent Cronenberg are the interesting parts of the show. It feels like older Star Trek, exploring relationships, overcoming conflicts, and doing things. In previous ST iterations, characters did things and we learned about them along the way. In Modern Trek, we get a real time almost live social media like commentary inner dialog as the action/drama/situation happens. Kovich is the most interesting character on the show. Why? Because the only things we know about him are what pushes or illuminates the plot. His lack of inner turmoil or insecurity is quite refreshing.
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Chalks posted:Yeah, I just mean it shouldn't be against the grain 1000 years in the future. poo poo it shouldn't be against the grain 20 years in the future. Consider TOS, where an interracial kiss between two humans would be the absolute tiniest hill to die on for a utopian 23rd century full of aliens, but the first interracial kiss on television was also culturally important for the 1960s. Trek has always been both socially progressive and a product of its time.
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That episode felt like it needed to be two episodes with everything going on. I believe next week we begin a two-part episode.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I would guess that just because something is socially/culturally acceptable doesn't necessarily mean it's an easy thing to admit to others IIRC the actor said in an interview that they came out to their family while filming this. Given that plus the character is a teenager I’d say it was handled well enough. Much better than the last time Frakes’ character was involved with a non-binary character!
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well why not posted:Frakes as "The Greatest American Actor" is some late-stage TNG poisoning Pound for pound
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Crusader posted:i think i take back a lot of my criticism of eaves Well I am mad again that the Fuller show didn't work out. Sounds like it made a lot more sense.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Well I am mad again that the Fuller show didn't work out. Sounds like it made a lot more sense. It actually makes the early season make a bit more sense now, because for like an episode or two Discovery was portrayed as a high-security need-to-know mobile research facility with an inference of multiple projects with their own clearances. That all suddenly disappears and it's all about the Spore Drive and nothing else.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It actually makes the early season make a bit more sense now, because for like an episode or two Discovery was portrayed as a high-security need-to-know mobile research facility with an inference of multiple projects with their own clearances. That all suddenly disappears and it's all about the Spore Drive and nothing else. USS Skunkworks would have been a fun concept to play with.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Well I am mad again that the Fuller show didn't work out. Sounds like it made a lot more sense. And Lorca really was just a captain damaged by his wartime experiences, rather than from another universe. I wonder if that timeline's Captain Georgiou would have joined the crew. While this plot point is clearly to justify Georgiou's departure to get her own spinoff, I like they at least didn't explicitly rule out someone from an alternate universe being able to stay in the prime timeline as long as it's the 'present'. Someone from the Mirror Universe getting brought to another and deciding 'hey I actually kinda like it here, nobody is trying to randomly stab me' is an interesting character concept. I'm guessing the Kelvin Timeline guy in the early TNG uniform is wearing it because he was on assignment to that period in this universe hen he died, not because they adopted it in that timeline too. Speaking of the Kelvin Timeline and uniforms, kind of wish we got to see the actual Kelvin-era uniforms/ones from the Franklin somehow. They're common to both timelines and look really cool!
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J33uk posted:USS Skunkworks would have been a fun concept to play with. Yeah, I'd see it as a mix of Star Trek and Eureka, where something out of one of the onboard labs (how many labs are there?... Enough for one per week  ) is either the problem or solution of the week. Sometimes both.
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I found LD pretty meh overall and the last 10 minutes of fanservice didn't really save it, but there was one episode with a really interesting concept that would make a great live-action spinoff: Have a medical ship focused on investigating and solving rare mysterious conditions created by transporter accidents and temporal anomalies. Sort of like House MD in space, starring a Beverly Crusher type.
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Somebody explain this Kelvin timeline link to me. In the OG timeline, Romulus got dusted and Spock disappeared. Vulcan still exists and as far as anyone knows Spock's story ended there. In the Kelvin timeline, Vulcan is gone and OG Spock was basically working towards saving the Vulcans that remained. In Unification III, Vulcan still exists in an albeit renamed fashion. So how are people figuring Disco is in the Kelvin timeline? Sidebar: Romulus is fine in the Kelvin timeline, so likely Spock Prime was just bopping around with his dogeared book of reunification techniques, looking for a way to break it to the Feddies that Romulans are basically Vulcans with the paranoia limiters taken off. Just a thought.
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SpeakSlow posted:So how are people figuring Disco is in the Kelvin timeline? People have misheard a thing said in a preview clip from next week's episode, which explicitly makes it clear that it is not.
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Bilirubin posted:Pound for pound S2 or S6 this means very different things. Didn’t hate this episode. Book’s brother was not terrible, just ok for ST guest star. The sort of role that somehow is responsible for the entire planet and also tied to an existing character. It’s very TNG. The romance is working well for me, they seem to really click in a way Tyler never did. It helps that Book is very charming. Hoping they can resist him being a secret baddie or getting turned into paste. Burnham solving the issue was to be expected but at least she wasn’t also fighting Osyraa. The show works best as an ensemble. Martin-Green is a good actor but the focus is just too tight on her as the lead. I don’t care about the Georgiou arc, but more Culber is good, and it’s still fun to watch Yeoh do stuff. It rocks when you forget she fights like a demon and then the kicking starts up. It’s a real asset to a franchise that hasn’t always had ... great choreography.
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Seemlar posted:People have misheard a thing said in a preview clip from next week's episode, which explicitly makes it clear that it is not. It’s also been a bit of wishful thinking for some people for a while now, as the whole “Discovery is actually part of the Jar-Jar Abrams timeline and that’s why the show isn’t REAL Star Trek!” bullshit was all over garbage clickbait sites during the first two seasons. That stuff also conveniently ignores the fact that when Discovery was first in concept and production they still weren’t even legally allowed to acknowledge the Kelvin movies because Paramount and CBS were separate entities, something that only changed in the last year.
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Next episode preview stuff: Personally, I hope anything to do with the Kelvin timeline stuff is just a one-off reference, since the whole idea turns me off whenever it's mentioned, and feels like the worst kind of fan service for people who are way too obsessed with maintaining their precious canon. I'd much prefer it to be something that was just in the first movie, as a "this is why we don't have to meticulously follow everything that happened in TOS, now shut up about it nerds" and never mentioned again.
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Oh wow, this week's Disco was duuuumb. Like wow. Book's brother couldn't carry a scene to save his life. Couldn't tell you if it was the actor or the direction but hoo-boy, it's bad when a kid onscreen for two minutes is a better actor than the main guest star of the episode. I really don't know why anyone would hate the stuff with Adira and Stamets, it's literally the only good part of the episode. They have a great rapport and work really well bouncing of eachother and Culber. The show is rife with hamfisted writing, but the little scene about Adira's pronouns was really nice and respectful. They didn't go overboard with it, it's just Adira opening up to someone they can trust and carried really well by both actors. That said, time to poke holes in the big parts of the episode. What should've been a cool space battle... wasn't. It's atrociously shot and all we see is cockpit and the rearview mirror for most of it, plus using Book's ship makes zero sense when it's clearly launching out of Discovery, and the aim somehow wasn't to just blow the ship out of the sky. The Emerald Chain isn't one for politics, they're not gonna care about the minutiae of which ship fired on them. This should've been Detmer coming back into her own as the Discovery's pilot, and give us a chance to see what the Discovery-A can actually do since its refit. Instead it's just another round of "look at how cool the I'm not even gonna bother with the whole "I need a catchphrase" thing.
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sticklefifer posted:Consider TOS, where an interracial kiss between two humans would be the absolute tiniest hill to die on for a utopian 23rd century full of aliens, but the first interracial kiss on television was also culturally important for the 1960s. Trek has always been both socially progressive and a product of its time. People make a huge deal out of that kiss, and rightfully so because it was an incredible social taboo at the time that would get one or both parties killed in large stretches of the country. However, it wasn't Roddenberry's most socially progressive moment. That actually came in the season 1 episode "Court Martial" where Percy Rodrigues, a black man, plays Commodore Stone in a role of legitimate authority over Kirk and is presented as calm, rational, intelligent, and competent. All of that, and at no point in time does the episode draw any special attention to his race or position.
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Wheezle posted:Guys, Burnham didn't cry even once this episode. We've broken new ground. I know, I'm scared too. 
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The_Doctor posted:I like the implication that Tilly focus grouped some of the catchphrases. This is the only good part of the episode.
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Captain installs timid ensign as First Officer just before defying orders to start a shooting war with a superior power. That's the position that, in a real military, would be shutting poo poo like this down.
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G-III posted:This is the only good part of the episode. Nah, there were lots of good parts, even if the overall episode wasn’t as good as earlier ones this season. That said, I thought I’d missed a scene when Culber said to Georgiou they needed to talk right away, but no, they just didn’t film it. Or did i blink?
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