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abraham linksys posted:gently caress me i just checked out a 3070 on newegg - MSI VENTUS 3X OC I'm sending my Oloy stuff back and eating the $15 restock fee, dongle will live in my closet I guess
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You just have to return the combo stuff and eat the fee, but considering how hard the cards are to get, its a small price to pay. Edit: Unfortunately I didn't get a 3080, which was my goal. Maybe next time!
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change my name posted:I'm sending my Oloy stuff back and eating the $15 restock fee, dongle will live in my closet I guess drat lol i had heard people saying you could return it but they left off the fee $15 is a totally eatable loss though, tbh
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ShowTime posted:Newegg just dropped like 5-6 combo deals with the 3060ti too. I might have gotten 1, so lets see if I get that cancellation email. Was sold out in seconds. Saw the combos go on sell but got yanked out of my cart when I went to checkout.
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Sab669 posted:Ok - any thoughts on an i9-10850K and a EVGA Z490 FTW? I mean a 5900X is flatly better... if you can get it. But if the price is right on the 10850K it's still a real good CPU. If you want dead silence at idle/doing office work/etc. a closed off case with sound dampening like the Fractal Define series is going to be quietest. The quietest cases under load with a CPU/GPU that generate shitloads of heat are usually high airflow cases with the fans turned down. Basically you want cases with good noise-normalized thermals (most cooling per unit of noise, basically.) https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3604-best-gaming-pc-cases-for-airflow-in-2020-right-now
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I think I lucked out because they didn't put up the 3070s until 7:30, but everyone assumed they'd gone on sale and sold out already because of the time announcement. I saw that it hadn't popped up on @BotRtx so I just kept F5ing assuming they'd go on sale, and they did not convinced they won't pull the order, but they did charge my card in full
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abraham linksys posted:I think I lucked out because they didn't put up the 3070s until 7:30, but everyone assumed they'd gone on sale and sold out already because of the time announcement. I saw that it hadn't popped up on @BotRtx so I just kept F5ing assuming they'd go on sale, and they did You are usually good if they don't cancel the order within 10 minutes. As soon as they charge the card you are good too. And that was the same case for me. I got a 3070 and a 3060ti. I actually got two 3060tis because I thought maybe one would get canceled, but then when 1 got charged I just filed a cancelation before they billed me. So now i've gotta decide if I want to go ahead and go with a 3090 that I have on Amazon or build with a 3060ti or a 3070. I am basically just taking what I can get at this point and will decide what I actually build when something actually arrives. Edit: Actually just gonna go with the 3060ti based off some earlier reviews and price. I think i'll just build something basic now and gradually upgrade as it becomes available. Just gonna cancel the 3070 before it gets packaged. ShowTime fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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skipdogg posted:Even lower end hardware is out of stock right now, and this is super frustrating. I'm having a hell of a time finding a 3200G or 3400G in stock at MSRP. I've even considered changing the kids builds to a 3100/3300 plus a 1650 GPU, but can't find any of those anywhere either. I refuse to pay scalpers, so PC's for the kids might have to wait. It might worth considering Intel too. A 10100 with an H470 motherboard would be comparable performance-wise, and your kids could play some games with the integrated graphics. I forget the specifics of your goal, are these part for school too?
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abraham linksys posted:gently caress me i just checked out a 3070 on newegg - MSI VENTUS 3X OC I do in fact want an hdmi->vga dongle if you're serious.
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What are the Newegg shipping times for you guys? I finally landed a combo and got a shopping number but it's been in "pre-shipping" status since 28 Nov. Needs to go usps due to my location.
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I posted here back in October when I was first thinking about upgrading from my four-year-old desktop to a zen 3/3080 ITX gaming build and got some really helpful advice! Since then I got lucky with one of the 5900x drops and gathered the rest of my parts except for the motherboard and cooler (which I still have to order), PSU (ordered like a month ago, finally coming next week), and GPU (but i've kind of resigned myself to being stuck with my 1070 until Spring 2021 or something), so hi please tell me if I made any terrible mistakes with this: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($179.99 @ Best Buy Canada) Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($205.51 @ Amazon Canada) Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ Memory Express) Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($269.99 @ Newegg Canada) Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB FTW3 GAMING Video Card Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P Mini ITX Desktop Case ($129.50 @ Vuugo) Power Supply: Corsair SF 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply Total: $954.98 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-03 14:08 EST-0500 I had a few final questions, too? I've spent the last two days second-guessing myself a bunch so I'd really appreciate advice  1. I put the new ram in my current desktop to make sure it worked, and CPU-Z says that it's dual-rank Micron ram, part number beginning with BL, serial number beginning with E. Does that mean I got the good kind of ram? I vaguely remember reading something about dual-rank e-die ram (I think?) being better for Zen 3 systems, but I couldn't find the post again and poking around Reddit just made me feel more lost than I did when I started. Does all that make less of a difference with a Zen 3/B550 system than 3200mhz vs. 3600mhz ram does? I bought 3200mhz cl16 ram because Amazon had it on sale for $176 CAD (and the white matched my case  ) and Crucial 3600mhz 32GB ram has been impossible to find here without paying a ridiculous markup, but I could probably still return it and wait if getting 3200mhz ram was a terrible idea or something. 2. Is the AIO in my parts list good? It looked decent for the price and I like the dumb customizable LEDs (and looking for an air cooler that fits in the NR200P and isn't only available in Canada at a huge markup has been kind of stressful), but this is my first time even thinking about liquid cooling so I'm kind of nervous about it. Would mounting the radiator on the NR200P side bracket and using the glass panel on the same side be a really bad idea? Should I just buy a Scythe Mugen 5 or a Noctua C14S or something instead? Is there any difference between that Corsair AIO and this slightly cheaper one, apart from the Capellix coming with a fan controller?
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ShowTime posted:Edit: Actually just gonna go with the 3060ti based off some earlier reviews and price. I think i'll just build something basic now and gradually upgrade as it becomes available. Just gonna cancel the 3070 before it gets packaged. If you're liquid enough to have orders for 3 or 4 30x0 series cards kicking around with no sweat may I suggest you might as well just build with the 3090 lol Ningyou posted:Would mounting the radiator on the NR200P side bracket and using the glass panel on the same side be a really bad idea? Aside from the fact that's physically impossible, jesus christ yes exhausting a radiator directly into solid glass would be a bad idea Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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nitsuga posted:It might worth considering Intel too. A 10100 with an H470 motherboard would be comparable performance-wise, and your kids could play some games with the integrated graphics. I forget the specifics of your goal, are these part for school too? I’ll check that out. PCs are for school and light gaming that onboard graphics easily handles. (Roblox, Minecraft). My sons laptop has the intel hd4000 graphics and it’s serviceable.
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So what's the deal with water coolers? Just massive overkill for the vast majority of builds?
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Boxman posted:So what's the deal with water coolers? Just massive overkill for the vast majority of builds? For AIOs they're strictly worse than large air coolers until you get to 2 or 3 fan ones, and even then they're way more expensive and less reliable than air cooling. For custom loops, they are much more effective than air but are insanely expensive, takes a lot of work to set up, and require regular maintenance. It's only really done for extreme overclocking, or for the craft of it, and irrelevant to 99% of people's builds.
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Yeah, honestly a $60-70 tower cooler will get you the same/better temps then your average AIO. No real point unless you find it aesthetically pleasing. If I really wanted to get a rig super cool, I'd get the dual-fan, 140mm Noctua and keep the room ambient as cold as possible. Overclocking is something of a niche-hobby within the hobby that is PC building, so custom loops are much more effort than they are worth unless the joy of setting it up and maintaining it is what you are looking for. I suppose there is something to be said for overclocking an Intel chip with a custom loop with the availability of AMD CPUs, but it'd be easier to camp a discord.
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They are helpful if you're building in a tiny case. Anytime I open my big case I remember I have an H60 and that it makes the area around my mobo really empty feeling.
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So a while back, I was wondering if I was going to have to upgrade my gaming PC to run Cyberpunk 2077, but thankfully, it looks like my computer meets the system requirements for 'High' settings. My current specs (copied and pasted from Speccy) quote:Operating System However, I'm still wondering if I should upgrade to a new PC at some point in the near future. I decided to take a look online. I've seen people praise AMD and the Ryzen CPUs. I found a build guide that PC Gamer posted in October, made up entirely of AMD parts, and more-or-less copied it, with the exception of the CPU. quote:PCPartPicker Part List I know it's missing a cooling unit, but they didn't give one in the article. For the CPU, I switched out the Ryzen 5 with the Ryzen 7 3700X. Both Ryzen 5 and 7 seem to be leaps and bounds ahead of the i7 4790K, but the Ryzen 7 has 8-cores, versus the Ryzen 5's 6-cores. I'm a little skeptical the Radeon card. I'm sure it works fine, but I've been accustomed to Intel/NVIDIA for so long, and I've been fond of NVIDIA utilities like Shadowplay and Ansel. Comparing to the GTX 1070 on PassMark, the two cards seem pretty similar in terms of performance. I guess the big thing now are the RTX cards for the ray-tracing and all that, and from a quick search, the RTX 2060 seems like does that, and I think I've seen listing for it at around $500 (that could be an error, though). Again, I'm not looking to replace the computer right away or anything; I just wanted to inquire about some stuff for future reference. The computer I have now I bought back in 2015, and paid just a little under $2,000 for. (it was from a local shop; they provided all the parts and put it together). I don't know if that would be considered a high-end build for the time. The high-end build guide PC Gamer gives adds up to something like $2,500, but then that's with the RTX 2080, which is $1,200 on its own. I'd like to step things up considerably, but I don't think I need a system that can calculate quantum mechanics (I mean it would be nice, but...)
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Max Wilco posted:So a while back, I was wondering if I was going to have to upgrade my gaming PC to run Cyberpunk 2077, but thankfully, it looks like my computer meets the system requirements for 'High' settings. 3600 and 3700X are equivalent for gaming. The 2 extra cores may give the 3700X an extra year or two of viability at some point, but that is undefinable. 3700X does come with a stock cooler, but it gets loud and you can get a much better tower cooler for $35ish USD and a really great one for $60-70. There is no way to recommend anything but the RTX 3000 series right now, I would not tell anyone to spend money on a 2000-series unless they are going for EVGA's Step Up Program. That $1200 RTX 2080 is outperformed by the $400 RTX 3060Ti. The hotness at $500 is the RTX 3070, which will give you ~15% more performance than a 2080S at 40% of the price. Availability means you'll be sitting in a stockdrop discord waiting, but that's where we are. Honestly, a 3600/3700X would get you 20%ish more performance than your 4790K, but you'd probably be better off sinking the money into a better GPU at this point, unless you don't want to upgrade again for a few years. If you are wanting this to last into 2022 and beyond, that 4-core CPU will start to strain...
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If you arent buying for at least a few months and don't get the weird twisted joy from speccing out PCs and paying attention to this stuff like we do my advice is to totally delete this from your brain and enjoy the PC you have. I've been in the game a long time and it's one of the worst possible times you could choose to build. Probably the last time was when there were multiple natural disasters that led to significant shortages in core parts globally for a year. edit: well i guess one was a fire and maybe not natural the other was flooding
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Boxman posted:So what's the deal with water coolers? Just massive overkill for the vast majority of builds? A 240-280 AIO will cool about as good as a D15, might be better or worse depending on the fans and pump speeds of a the AIO. Once I upgrade the fans on my h115i (280) its now absolutely better then the D15 we have on the other computer with the same cpu and a smaller overclock. Advantages: Your cpu fans don't spin up at all unless under a sustained load. Some AIOs will take over all of your case fans and run everything off water temps. You can see the glowing ram you paid for. Disadvantages: cost pumps eventually fail pumps make sound
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Max Wilco posted:Words As the other dude said those prices you're operating on are totally hosed and way out of date. If you don't have an immediate desperate need to build right now save yourself a lot of stress and forget about it for 3 months and then come back in February or March or whenever the current insane demand has settled down and build a PC around a 5600x and an RTX 3080 which should run you ~$1600 and absolutely crush everything in your post.
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The one other advantage that watercooling has is that it's generally a better choice if you plan on moving your computer around a lot, because in that case the huge tower-style air coolers are a mild hazard given their size compared to the small number of contact points to the mobo.
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bus hustler posted:If you arent buying for at least a few months and don't get the weird twisted joy from speccing out PCs and paying attention to this stuff like we do my advice is to totally delete this from your brain and enjoy the PC you have. Butterfly Valley posted:As the other dude said those prices you're operating on are totally hosed and way out of date. If you don't have an immediate desperate need to build right now save yourself a lot of stress and forget about it for 3 months and then come back in February or March or whenever the current insane demand has settled down and build a PC around a 5600x and an RTX 3080 which should run you ~$1600 and absolutely crush everything in your post. That's pretty much what I wanted to know. I'm in no rush to get a new machine, and I'm fine waiting a few months or more so I can build a top-tier system for less than what my current machine originally costed. In February or March (if I remember), I'll drop in and ask again. Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:3600 and 3700X are equivalent for gaming. The 2 extra cores may give the 3700X an extra year or two of viability at some point, but that is undefinable. 3700X does come with a stock cooler, but it gets loud and you can get a much better tower cooler for $35ish USD and a really great one for $60-70. Wait, the RTX 3000 series outperforms the 2080, but the RTX 3000 cards cost less than half of what the RTX 2080 costs? How the hell does that work?  I suppose the 2080 is like a year-old now at this point, but did it go out production and cause the price to inflate?
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Max Wilco posted:That's pretty much what I wanted to know. I'm in no rush to get a new machine, and I'm fine waiting a few months or more so I can build a top-tier system for less than what my current machine originally costed. In February or March (if I remember), I'll drop in and ask again. Those are the MSRP for each card, although scalpers are selling the 3000-series at 2000-series prices. The new cards are really good, Brant.
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Max Wilco posted:Wait, the RTX 3000 series outperforms the 2080, but the RTX 3000 cards cost less than half of what the RTX 2080 costs? How the hell does that work? 20x0 series architecture is 2 years old at this point, 30x0 series cards are a big generational leap ahead of them in a number of areas, the 20x0 series cards were kind of an outlier in terms of price anyway in terms of seeing what could be got away with, and finally the base 2080 never cost $1200, you're just seeing some insane 3rd party seller's price on amazon that pc part picker pulled up.
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Spaceguns posted:What are the Newegg shipping times for you guys? I finally landed a combo and got a shopping number but it's been in "pre-shipping" status since 28 Nov. I landed a 3070 combo on 12/1. The shipping label was created on 12/2, and it shows as actually having shipped on 12/3. Tracking shows a delivery estimate of 12/8 (via UPS to the Seattle area).
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skipdogg posted:I’ll check that out. Yeah, I’d go for the 10100 in that case. A GPU is always an option, but there’s almost no sense in getting one now. The market will get better eventually. Also, gotta say what a cool thing to do. I was thrilled when my dad let me make my payments on an Athlon 3000+ and all the other goodies -15 years ago. Anyway, here’s a sample build: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i3-10100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($105.44 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI B460M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($108.96 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 CL15 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg) Storage: ADATA SU635 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($27.99 @ Amazon) Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Thermaltake Smart Series 430 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($38.98 @ Newegg) Total: $365.35 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-03 22:19 EST-0500
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What do the initials AIO mean? I know it has to do with water cooling.
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Siroc posted:What do the initials AIO mean? I know it has to do with water cooling. All in one. 
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Spaceguns posted:What are the Newegg shipping times for you guys? I finally landed a combo and got a shopping number but it's been in "pre-shipping" status since 28 Nov. I have a couple parts doing this on new egg and another site. I saw a story that ups is way over capacity and slowing down some of their big pick ups to catch up and specifically named new egg as one.
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sean10mm posted:I mean a 5900X is flatly better... if you can get it. But if the price is right on the 10850K it's still a real good CPU. I know everyone says AMD rules but over the last 20 years I've bought probably half a dozen machines with AMD cpus and or ATI gpus and baring one Acer laptop they were all just absolute garbage and I'm not particularly eager to ever give them money again at this point
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Sab669 posted:I know everyone says AMD rules but over the last 20 years I've bought probably half a dozen machines with AMD cpus and or ATI gpus and baring one Acer laptop they were all just absolute garbage and I'm not particularly eager to ever give them money again at this point I mean why trust our advice on anything if you're assuming we're too dumb to recognize obvious the CPU itself is "absolute garbage"?  E: AFAIK this thread skewed massively Inte for ages until AMD started to git gud, this isn't a fanboy thread. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Making up my mind on a brand isn't the same as making up my mind on a part. If someone was like "i9's are absolute overkill for 99% of uses, just save the money and get a cheaper i7 instead" or "Nah that mobo sucks, this is better" I'd certainly be happy to hear things out. I never said anyone is "too dumb to recognize" anything. I'm just saying I have personally experienced a lot of lemons and don't want to go back.
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this thread is pretty anti "calvin peeing on <brand>" and the problem with CPUs is there are only 2 and one is demonstrably better right now and in some "industry" ways has been trending that way now for years. a CPU isn't a video card, it will work exactly like everyone else's and you will never ever touch it. but the intel is a perfectly good chip , its not like you're buying a BAD processor. the thread (as we've meta discussed recently) is here to get you the best performance for your $$. bus hustler fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Sab669 posted:Making up my mind on a brand isn't the same as making up my mind on a part. Yeah but by refusing to even countenance anything by that brand you're effectively making your mind up on every part they produce, ignoring the reams of objective evidence opposing your unfortunate subjective experiences. Not to say your experience of those bad computers you had was wrong, but by the law of averages there will always be people who are unluckier than others when it comes to having faults or issues with certain components. Humans are eminently fallible and it's also entirely possible there were other factors going into those previous computers seeming poo poo to you that cannot be blamed on AMD but you already had confirmation bias against them. Basically for either of the two main brands there are going to be plenty of stories on the Internet of people who feel they got burned but when giving objective recommendations you have to filter that noise out, unless there are clear trends. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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