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Portugal does it for the people of goa born before 1961, and for people in east-timor born before independence in 2002, which I though was pretty decent.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Portugal does it for the people of goa born before 1961, and for people in east-timor born before independence in 2002, which I though was pretty decent. Yeah, Portugal at least did something right on the macau return and let anyone who didn't feel comfortable staying under chinese rule move to Portugal or anywhere in the EU with a Portuguese passport, unlike the british with their 20 different citizenships and a hong kong passport that didn't let them live in the UK.
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Badger of Basra posted:Given how they act about other immigrants my guess is Danish people would probably be far more upset about it. Speaking of Greenland and the Virgin Islands, reading up on the issue I found someone who figured the Danish state should have carved out a state for Virgin Islanders in the vein of Sierra Leone or Liberia, possibly on Greenland or Iceland back in 1917. That man was a senator. Obviously the proper solution would have been to set up an autonomous state in southern Schleswig post-WWI.
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Aside from Golden Dawn, what are the most extreme right wing parties in EU?
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Of the governing ones? Fidesz and Prawo i Sprawiedliwość, probably.
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Not just the governing ones. I often hear about neo-nazis entering parliament in this or that EU country but I don't remember the names of those parties.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Aside from Golden Dawn, what are the most extreme right wing parties in EU? I'd say PVV (party for freedom) and FvD(Forum for Democracy) are up there. (Parties in The Netherlands btw)
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Jobbik from Hungary, being to the right of Orban himself. Though to be fair they only have 1 MEP. e: More broadly there's these three groups of shitheads, but some are less radical than others. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Dec 6, 2020 |
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An insane mind posted:I'd say PVV (party for freedom) and FvD(Forum for Democracy) are up there. (Parties in The Netherlands btw) The Danish policies come to mind as well
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Italy has fratelli d'italia, which has been gaining considerable ground in the polls, in the wake of the last exterme right gov's collapse
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Vox in Spain.
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Isn't there a further right one in Germany that's basically literal nazis rather than nazis lite?
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suck my woke dick posted:fishermen voting to blow up trade relations with the main buyers of their fish before realising they just voted to blow up trade relations with the main buyers of their fish is very brexit.txt It gets better. England sold 60% of its quotas to foreign corporations.. In contrast to Scotland, Norway, France etc which... didn't.  The emotional bond to the industry mostly sold to the highest bidder among foreign corporations truly runs deep in England.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Not just the governing ones. I often hear about neo-nazis entering parliament in this or that EU country but I don't remember the names of those parties. I think Kotleba in Slovakia are the currently most successfully "actually the Nazis did nothing wrong and Hitler was a swell guy" party
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Cicero posted:Isn't there a further right one in Germany that's basically literal nazis rather than nazis lite? That's a distinction without a difference. The AfD cannibalised all the voters of the NPD. The state tried to ban the NPD, which failed because the state's security apparatus had funnelled so much money and personnel into the NPD it was hard to tell which who was "organic" and who was an informant. A court then ruled that while the NPD wants to destroy democracy, they don't pose a credible threat (a condition for banning a party). Mostly because Nazis vote AfD nowadays…
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Antigravitas posted:That's a distinction without a difference. The AfD cannibalised all the voters of the NPD. The state tried to ban the NPD, which failed because the state's security apparatus had funnelled so much money and personnel into the NPD it was hard to tell which who was "organic" and who was an informant. A court then ruled that while the NPD wants to destroy democracy, they don't pose a credible threat (a condition for banning a party). Mostly because Nazis vote AfD nowadays… Looks like the Nazis have to try again soon, several Länder have started contemplating an AfD-Verbot. If that circle repeats, eventually another new Nazi-party will eat all their votes and the AfD-ban will fail because it has become a useless shell of its former self.
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Libluini posted:Looks like the Nazis have to try again soon, several Länder have started contemplating an AfD-Verbot. Once they've run out of three-letter sequences the Nazis will finally be vanquished.
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Dommolus Magnus posted:Once they've run out of three-letter sequences the Nazis will finally be vanquished. Eh, they can just go to five letter sequences. Back to the roots and all…
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Vlaams Belang in is Flanders'/Belgium's most right wing party, but they recently kicked out someone who honoured the war grave of an SS volunteer. So they're not openly in favour of fascism/Nazis. If she didn't post pictures on Instagram she'd have been fine though. They also recently started their own web show with interviews and 'news' because the mainstream media is all liars and fake.
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Cicero posted:Isn't there a further right one in Germany that's basically literal nazis rather than nazis lite? Nowadays they are shedding the nazi lite parts and only the literally nazi parts remain.
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Chega in Portugal Vox in Spain Front National in France Vlaams Belang in Belgium Partij voor de Vrijheid & Forum voor Democratie in The Netherlands Alternative für Deutschland in Germany Dansk Folkeparti & Nye Borgerlige in Denmark Sverigedemokraterna in Sweden Perussuomalaiset in Finland Prawo i Sprawiedliwość & Konfederacja Wolność i Niepodległość in Poland Fidesz & Jobbik in Hungary Lega Nord & Fratelli d'Italia in Italy I don't know enough about the other countries to answer for them.
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Orange Devil posted:Chega in Portugal How could you of all people forget UKIP and Brexit Party.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:How could you of all people forget UKIP and Brexit Party.
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Thanks, everyone. In the category "dress and march around like nazis" it looks like Jobbik and Kotleba get the prize.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Thanks, everyone. In the category "dress and march around like nazis" it looks like Jobbik and Kotleba get the prize. Wilders (PVV) does the Hitler has a signature look thing pretty well. He has this stupid shock of peroxide whitened hair.
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nimby posted:Vlaams Belang in is Flanders'/Belgium's most right wing party, but they recently kicked out someone who honoured the war grave of an SS volunteer. So they're not openly in favour of fascism/Nazis. If she would have let them control her nazi output, she'd still be a member.
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https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/eu-leaders-unlock-historic-e1-8-trillion-budget-deal/ Unable to stop the outflanking maneuver, Poland and Hungary retreat.
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Doctor Malaver posted:https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/eu-leaders-unlock-historic-e1-8-trillion-budget-deal/ What's the actual result of the "Don't be a jerk" clauses? Is it going to stop anti-LGBT zones in Poland or is it just lip service? I know it's the EU, I'm going to guess it's the latter. Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Well first the court has to rule that Poland and Hungary are actually doing things that are against the EU treaties they have signed. Who knows how long that will take. And then that ruling needs to have some kind of consequence attached, which I'm told it has, but is still vague to me exactly what that is. And then that ruling and consequence will need to be enforced. By who and how exactly? Who knows.
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Orban is going to be able to win another election on his platform before this makes it out of the courts, so it's a win for him. Apparently there's no complete consensus in the Polish government about the whole thing, so we'll have to see how it plays out.
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nimby posted:Orban is going to be able to win another election on his platform before this makes it out of the courts, so it's a win for him. Admittedly, PIS's popularity took a fairly deep dive in October but it is unclear if it is more COVID related.
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Dems should learn with portuguese gov, they're set on #abolishingICE after a man died by immigration agents' hands, only they're rolling its functions over into the police
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Honest Thief posted:Dems should learn with portuguese gov, they're set on #abolishingICE after a man died by immigration agents' hands, only they're rolling its functions over into the police CBP/Customs and ICE are all 3 hosed in different ways but they would just straight be open firing on people at the border if they were run like US police.
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Orange Devil posted:Sverigedemokraterna in Sweden SD got 17.5% in 2018 and has been getting more popular since then, mostly because the ruling S/MP coalition cannot seem to stop shooting their own feet.
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I present to you, the sick man of Europe: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1339506110265438210 Edit: Oops!  Kassad fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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VitalSigns posted:Very amusing how the EU looked at the common factor of every failed confederation ever: unanimity requirements that allow one annoying member to veto critical proposals and gently caress over the whole team, and said "hell yeah let's do that" I've been giving some thoughts to how the EU 'ought' to be organized, if your goal is further federalization. Perhaps the EU parliament should become a bicameral legislature. A new EU senate would consist of senators directly elected by the people, one per member state. This would replace the European Commission. The existing EU parliament should be trimmed down a bit (750 members is very unwieldy), and elected by pan-european elections, with the same ballot in every country. This would require political parties to appeal to the entire EU population, and would promote integration. I think it's important to avoid a district or country based system, as this always leads to a two-party situation, and disenfranchised voters. The voting weights are up for debate. Currently the 'senate' requires unanimity, which allows single member states to blackmail the entire block. If you aim for full integration you could adopt legislation on 50% vote in both houses, or alternatively you could settle for a system where bills need 50% of the parliament and 2/3d or 3/4th of the senate. Of course nothing like this will ever happen.
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I don't like the idea of tiny member states holding as much power in a house as giant ones. Luxembourg gets a senator, and Germany gets a senator. That's the American senate system, and it's terrible.
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Philonius posted:The existing EU parliament should be trimmed down a bit (750 members is very unwieldy) Actually, what does unwieldy even mean here? Gort posted:I don't like the idea of tiny member states holding as much power in a house as giant ones. Luxembourg gets a senator, and Germany gets a senator. That's the American senate system, and it's terrible.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Actually, what does unwieldy even mean here? More people to bribe, making corporate lobbying less efficient
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