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Arcanuse
Mar 15, 2019

A little trick for Legends of Idleon: Early on you get a special barrel of oil as part of a tutorial.
The barrel causes smelting to go much faster, and is all but guaranteed to go away after only one bar.
The barrel, however, can be removed mid-smelting, letting it be re-used so long as you remember to take it out early.
Handy if you need a few extra bars of whatever and don't feel like waiting.

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Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


Hmm, does Evolve have a console exploit like Kittens Game that lets you screw with the tick rate? Because I'm finding more and more stuff where there doesn't seem to be a choice but leave it running and come back 24 hours later, and screw that.

SubNat
Nov 27, 2008

crime weed posted:

what's the console command to speed up tickspeed?
Found an old post:

Garfu posted:

(for chrome)
1. Load the page
2. Located evolve.js in the devconsole
3. Place a breakpoint at line 4: switch (data.loop) {
4. Reload the page
5. Hover over 'data' and change 'period:' to 25 (lowest I found that still works and doesn't lockup the game after a while)
6. Click resume script execution, or press F8
7. Repeat step 5 and 6 two more times for each type of loop (main, which handles the evolution stage, mid, which handles mostly everything else, and long, which handles the day cycles and some other stuff)

You'll have to repeat this every time you prestige. Or make a tampermonkey/greasemonkey script to do it for you.

edit: I figured this out last year, it's possible it changed since then, I haven't played recently.

Thanks for writing up a guide like, half-a-year ago, Garfu.

I gave it a go, and it worked just fine, though it was a bit fiddly sine I haven't done that kind of debug-editing in chrome before.
Currently trying it at 2x speed-ish, which does let me do a decent chunk more when I actively manage it.

Still kinda wish that the storages in Evolve functioned as softcaps, instead of hard ones.
Idling the game/overnight progress would be a lot nicer if you had 100% production when storage was 0-100%, then at 200% storage you hit 50% production, 300% storage, 25% production, etc.
Instead of so much just getting wasted because you're unable to check in for a couple hours.

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


SubNat posted:

Found an old post:

Thanks for writing up a guide like, half-a-year ago, Garfu.

Oh hey, yeah! Thanks for the guide, and for posting the guide.

Garfu
Mar 6, 2008

Much like buttholes, families are meant to be tight.
Hey yeah sorry, thanks for reposting!

Some tips for optimizing that speed hack cheat thing:
-Set the short speed as low as 20 up through Bioseeding for maximum speed e.g. 20/1000/5000
-Set the long speed as low as 100 for maximum soul gem farming e.g. 250/1000/100
-Set the mid speed as low as 50 for mech grinding e.g. - 250/50/5000
-Messing with all of the speeds at once will make the game chug anywhere past the early game, so setting the above speeds when you need to will maximize your output

Basically you don't need to mess with the different loops outside of the one you're currently utilizing most. Short for resource farming. Mid for mechs and spying. Long for day cycle, so pretty much just soul gems.

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).
I've checked out of Idle Superpowers for now

Game is fun and original and has a lot of potential but it too rough around the edges.

You are way too dependant on the good superpowers and the power difference between the few good ones and the truckload of garbage ones is huge.
My highest run, where i savescummed several powers, is 550.
My 2 recentmost runs where i did zero savescumming, petered off at 150 or so.

The equipment restocking mechanic both blows and is bugged or simply designed wrong.
Restock costs go up with each level, and grows much faster than the increase in gold gain. The restock cost is also independent on how many times you have actually used it; it goes up on its own AND when you use it.
I've had several runs where im not watching the game like a hawk and do not buy a lot of equipment so i am practically naked yet cannot restock the store a single time because it costs billions to restock and i only have millions of gold.

Arzaac
Jan 2, 2020


I really think Idle Superpowers could stand to have some sort of split between Primary and Secondary powers. You know, Primary being the kinds of powers that can carry runs on their own, and Secondary powers mostly being complimentary. Think like, Eagle Eyes vs all the accuracy increasing powers.

Like, say, if the power you get at Level 2 was guaranteed to be a Primary power, it would smooth things over a lot.

I also agree with you about the shop, but even if it were fixed I think I'd still hate it, it's simply not very engaging to constantly refresh the shop looking for better equipment.

Arcanuse
Mar 15, 2019

think I'm gonna have to give up on idle superpowers. had a good run going, got enough points to carry over a second power, and the thing bugs out so I can't select/deselect any powers.
not even the first bug, pretty sure it ate a chunk of gems and took away a level of vitality multi, and has been eating gems since

edit: resolved the bug by popping in and out of a no power challenge. still feels real bad it happened in the first place

Arcanuse fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Nov 30, 2020

Arbetor
Mar 28, 2010

Gonna play tasty.

Arzaac posted:

I really think Idle Superpowers could stand to have some sort of split between Primary and Secondary powers. You know, Primary being the kinds of powers that can carry runs on their own, and Secondary powers mostly being complimentary. Think like, Eagle Eyes vs all the accuracy increasing powers.

Like, say, if the power you get at Level 2 was guaranteed to be a Primary power, it would smooth things over a lot.

I also agree with you about the shop, but even if it were fixed I think I'd still hate it, it's simply not very engaging to constantly refresh the shop looking for better equipment.

If I were designing the power system from the ground up, this is something like what I would do. Maybe split powers into Offensive, Defensive, and Support, or based on the four primary stats, and you pick one for each slot, then get modifiers or mutators as you level up.

My dream modification would be that thematically consistent powers give you massive powerups. Electrokinesis is mostly useless, electrobody is mostly useless outside certain builds, but if you take both you automatically get Master of Electricity that increases a bunch of your stats by some multiplier, both to increase build variety and to make some of the more useless powers have a niche.

Regarding the store, the cost to restock drops at a linear rate. Takes 10 minutes or so to drop to free. Every time you restock, the timer resets. This is why it looks like the cost to restock goes up every time you use it. The only thing that determines cost to restock is your level. And yes, the cost to restock goes insane starting around level 150. I guess it will make more sense at higher gold multipliers. One of the time travel upgrades reduces the restock timer, and another reduces cost. Of course, the equipment is too boring and the management system is too clunky, so it still feels kind of bolted on.

Idle Superpowers feels like one of those things that you want to enjoy because it is almost nearly good, but will always be too janky, too far off, or too stuck in an existing meta to ever be truly great.

Cobalt60
Jun 1, 2006

SubNat posted:

Found an old post:


Thanks for writing up a guide like, half-a-year ago, Garfu.

I gave it a go, and it worked just fine, though it was a bit fiddly sine I haven't done that kind of debug-editing in chrome before.
Currently trying it at 2x speed-ish, which does let me do a decent chunk more when I actively manage it.

Still kinda wish that the storages in Evolve functioned as softcaps, instead of hard ones.
Idling the game/overnight progress would be a lot nicer if you had 100% production when storage was 0-100%, then at 200% storage you hit 50% production, 300% storage, 25% production, etc.
Instead of so much just getting wasted because you're unable to check in for a couple hours.


I actually really enjoyed Evolve ONLY BECAUSE OF cheating. Here was the script I was using, but note that you have to change it based on starting class, since the buildings have different names:


var obj = JSON.parse(LZString.decompressFromUTF16(localStorage.getItem('evolved')));
for (prop in obj.resource) {
if(obj.resource.hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
if(obj.resource[prop].amount > 0) {
if(obj.resource[prop].max > 0) {
obj.resource[prop].amount = obj.resource[prop].max;
} else {
obj.resource[prop].amount += 999999;
}
}
}
}
obj.city.basic_housing.count = 10000;
obj.city.cottage.count = 10000;
obj.city.apartment.count = 10000;
obj.city.farm.count = 10000;
obj.city.bank.count = 10000;
obj.city.amphitheatre.count = 10000;
obj.city.casino.count = 10000;
obj.city.temple.count = 10000;
obj.city.university.count = 10000;
obj.city.library.count = 10000;
obj.city.wardenclyffe.count = 10000;
obj.city.biolab.count = 10000;
obj.city.garrison.count = 10000;
obj.city.hospital.count = 10000;
obj.city.boot_camp.count = 10000;
obj.city.silo.count = 10000;
obj.city.shed.count = 10000;
obj.city.storage_yard.count = 10000;
obj.city.warehouse.count = 10000;
obj.city.oil_depot.count = 10000;
obj.city.trade.count = 10000;
obj.city.wharf.count = 10000;
obj.city.lumber_yard.count = 10000;
obj.city.sawmill.count = 10000;
obj.city.rock_quarry.count = 10000;
obj.city.cement_plant.count = 10000;
obj.city.foundry.count = 10000;
obj.city.factory.count = 10000;
obj.city.smelter.count = 10000;
obj.city.metal_refinery.count = 10000;
obj.city.mine.count = 10000;
obj.city.coal_mine.count = 10000;
obj.city.oil_well.count = 10000;
obj.city.mill.count = 10000;
obj.city.coal_power.count = 10000;
obj.city.oil_power.count = 10000;
obj.city.fission_power.count = 10000;
obj.city.mass_driver.count = 10000;
obj.space.satellite.count = 500;
obj.space.satellite.count = 500;
obj.portal.attractor.count = 50;
var string = LZString.compressToUTF16(JSON.stringify(obj));
localStorage.setItem('evolved',string);
window.location.reload();


... and so on. This works all the way through the endgame, but still actually forces you to kinda play the game a bit, especially in the hell zone. It's been a while, but I recall there was an issue with forcing some buildings too early - like, they unlock something by building them for the first time, and you'll have to reset if you gently caress it up -- you need to drop a few, then another few, then a whole bunch I think. But enjoy it or whatever.


REAL EDIT: It's easy in Evolve to inspect the item in the console to get the proper name per species to use, which makes this method of cheating especially chill. Thanks to the Dev for that.

Triple edit: Oh and just cut out all the buildings to simply max out all your resources anytime you want to close a gap instantly

Cobalt60 fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Dec 1, 2020

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Arbetor posted:

Idle Superpowers feels like one of those things that you want to enjoy because it is almost nearly good, but will always be too janky, too far off, or too stuck in an existing meta to ever be truly great.
Yeah, if I could fix what seems like a memory leak, and give the entire game a balancing pass, I'd love it. As is, I've ragequit it twice now.

(the challenges are actively idiotic at 500 and 600 so that was what did it, first Dice and then Unpopular)

pelao
Apr 21, 2010

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Yeah, if I could fix what seems like a memory leak, and give the entire game a balancing pass, I'd love it. As is, I've ragequit it twice now.

(the challenges are actively idiotic at 500 and 600 so that was what did it, first Dice and then Unpopular)

It got an update today and seems to perform a lot better. Patch notes mention the overkill calculation being optimised - yesterday I could barely get it to run for 2 minutes before it was a slideshow, today it looks smooth even after a few hours.

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


On Evolve, does the gameplay change significantly as you go on? Part of the reason I got bored even after I started combing through evolve.js and tinkering was that at least as of early bioseed, getting from a prestige to the new stuff was so slow and offered little in the way of new experiences.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

pelao posted:

It got an update today and seems to perform a lot better. Patch notes mention the overkill calculation being optimised - yesterday I could barely get it to run for 2 minutes before it was a slideshow, today it looks smooth even after a few hours.
That seems like it can't possibly be the problem because I am not far enough to unlock overkill. But sigh. Back to the grind and I'll see if it's better.

Dragongem
Nov 9, 2009

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion
Idleon has this annoying there where you finally get all of the items to make something... but you don't have enough inventory space to actually make it, so then you have to spend more time getting the resources to get the item so you actually DO have enough space. Argh.

Arzaac
Jan 2, 2020


Yeah, it can be real annoying. Like, an unspoken requirement of the Gold set is 425 butterflies, because you need the second tier catching pouch to hold 2000 flies in your inventory.

Manyorcas
Jun 16, 2007

The person who arrives last is fined, regardless of whether that person's late or not.

Arzaac posted:

Yeah, it can be real annoying. Like, an unspoken requirement of the Gold set is 425 butterflies, because you need the second tier catching pouch to hold 2000 flies in your inventory.

I'm really hoping that the "You've already used this pouch/storage chest/etc." indicator is implemented well, because the thought of trying to keep track of them has caused me to just give up using any of the expensive ones so I don't accidentally waste a bunch of gold/resources making one I don't need.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


There is going to be a tab in your inventory that tells you which ones you've used and which you haven't.

Like a collectable list with ??? spaces or something. We know it's going to be a status screen in the inventory but not exactly how it'll work.

I kinda was hoping that it would just include a tooltip directly on the item itself 'you've already used this' so I didn't have to cross-reference with a stat screen.

On the other hand it would make it easy to see, at a glance, which ones you haven't done yet. So give and take I guess.

postmodifier
Nov 24, 2004

The LIQUOR BOTTLES are out in full force.
MOM is surely nearby.

Agent355 posted:

There is going to be a tab in your inventory that tells you which ones you've used and which you haven't.

Like a collectable list with ??? spaces or something. We know it's going to be a status screen in the inventory but not exactly how it'll work.

I kinda was hoping that it would just include a tooltip directly on the item itself 'you've already used this' so I didn't have to cross-reference with a stat screen.

On the other hand it would make it easy to see, at a glance, which ones you haven't done yet. So give and take I guess.

It'll be added to the codex, I believe. He posted a work in progress screenshot of what it looks like on discord, its an image of every possible bag with the ones you have on that character filled in, and the rest as empty outlines.

In the meantime if youre worried about using capacity bags on somone just pull an overfull stack of x out of the stash and it'll pull your max capacity out so you can crosscheck it.

Should be update 1.05 this weekend with s lot of quality of life additions!

Sage Grimm
Feb 18, 2013

Let's go explorin' little dude!

Omi no Kami posted:

On Evolve, does the gameplay change significantly as you go on? Part of the reason I got bored even after I started combing through evolve.js and tinkering was that at least as of early bioseed, getting from a prestige to the new stuff was so slow and offered little in the way of new experiences.

You'll be using and producing resources differently in Hell and again when you're post-Galactic but not significantly enough to be considered a full pivot; they are more balancing numbers against each other. Magic Universe "Vacuum Collapse" and Spire "Demonic Infusion" are the newest endings but they are post-Blackhole and post-Ascension respectively.

And I'm noticing a significant memory leak now (climbed to 2000MB in about 5-6 hours) from that tab so I'm no longer playing the game.

Rynoto
Apr 27, 2009
It doesn't help that I'm fat as fuck, so my face shouldn't be shown off in the first place.

Sage Grimm posted:

And I'm noticing a significant memory leak now (climbed to 2000MB in about 5-6 hours) from that tab so I'm no longer playing the game.

This got fixed already, today.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Hey, 4G, what are the chances we'll ever see NGU Idle get a feature to go with the first Sadistic titan? I have most of the functional AP unlocks & hearts, I'm just getting into Sadistic difficulty, and now I'm debating whether to blow all my AP on consumables or save it up so that I can get the new feature's heart and such as soon as they come out next year or whenever.

Edit: VVV: Well that plus I think he said he's changing back to working on NGU Industries until it's beta-ready, now that the NGU Idle patch released earlier this week.

Akratic Method fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Dec 4, 2020

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




Akratic Method posted:

and such as soon as they come out next year or whenever.

oh man I thought you were taking a needless shot at 4G for being slow or something, then came the slow dawn that "next year" is 4 weeks from now

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


Sage Grimm posted:

You'll be using and producing resources differently in Hell and again when you're post-Galactic but not significantly enough to be considered a full pivot; they are more balancing numbers against each other. Magic Universe "Vacuum Collapse" and Spire "Demonic Infusion" are the newest endings but they are post-Blackhole and post-Ascension respectively.

And I'm noticing a significant memory leak now (climbed to 2000MB in about 5-6 hours) from that tab so I'm no longer playing the game.

Hmkay cool, thanks... I pretty much burned out on it because of how uniform the experience was, but fun idea- the world needs more weirdass games like kitten game.

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit
Man, the idle games on iOS are such disgusting cash grabs. I really hate mobile games.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


please knock Mom! posted:

Man, the idle games on iOS are such disgusting cash grabs. I really hate mobile games.

Honestly that's a lot of the genre now, everyone trying to get that sweet sweet whale money

nelson
Apr 12, 2009
College Slice
I’m playing an iOS one now that isn’t a money grab. Lazy Sweet Tycoon. It’s a one time purchase with no ads, and the in app purchases are cosmetic skins only, no game benefits. The only problem is, it’s kinda boring and the gameplay is repetitive. I feel obligated to play it because I spent $2.99 on it.

Maigius
Jun 29, 2013


I feel stalled out on Synergism. I've gotten all the cube upgrades under 12,500. I can get Challenges 6-8 to 25 and Challenge 10 to 6. I have completed Challenge 11 twice. However, it can't get to higher levels of Challenge 11 or attempt Challenge 12. Adding in the first Corruption at level one slowed down Ascension a lot. Is there anything I could be doing better?

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).
Its not supposed to get particularly , uh, challenging until you are trying to do C13.

Check my post history in this thread and look at Vil’s replies, lots of good info there.

Alternatively, visit the discord. It has separate channels for each stage of the game.

Alternatively, read the guides. Im on mobile atm so unable to link, they will probably show up on google.

CatHorse
Jan 5, 2008
I didn't see it posted, but the beta of sequel to Perfect Tower is out.
https://games.fs-studios.com/games/perfecttower2
Some of the features are 12 idle games, boss fights, arcade.

CatHorse fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Dec 6, 2020

Arbetor
Mar 28, 2010

Gonna play tasty.

Maigius posted:

I feel stalled out on Synergism. I've gotten all the cube upgrades under 12,500. I can get Challenges 6-8 to 25 and Challenge 10 to 6. I have completed Challenge 11 twice. However, it can't get to higher levels of Challenge 11 or attempt Challenge 12. Adding in the first Corruption at level one slowed down Ascension a lot. Is there anything I could be doing better?

This might be really dumb, but you might have made the same mistake I made: Are you opening cubes? Usually in these games I expect the purchasable upgrades to be better than the mass ones, but here, you really need to open a bunch of cubes. I was at approximately the same place, getting frustrated, because I had a bunch of cube upgrades but was barely making progress. Then I opened a few tens of thousand cubes and everything made sense.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


MikusR posted:

I didn't see it posted, but the beta of sequel to Perfect Tower is out.
https://games.fs-studios.com/games/perfecttower2
Some of the features are 12 idle games, boss fights, arcade.

This looked interesting right off the start but I almost immediately got frustrated with having to play a little minigame to make small incremental progress, then I figured out whats probably the intended method.

Don't bother upgrading your tower and set the game to auto-retry the minigame when you fail.

You'll only make it to floor 10 or w/e but you'll do it endlessly while you treat the idle game like an idle game.

CatHorse
Jan 5, 2008

Agent355 posted:

This looked interesting right off the start but I almost immediately got frustrated with having to play a little minigame to make small incremental progress, then I figured out whats probably the intended method.

Don't bother upgrading your tower and set the game to auto-retry the minigame when you fail.

You'll only make it to floor 10 or w/e but you'll do it endlessly while you treat the idle game like an idle game.

You build workshop where you can preupgrade abilities allowing to reach later waves.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Yeah I'm enjoying it, remains to be seen if there will be any big formula shake ups or anything, but there are a ton of features I haven't even touched yet so probably.

Arzaac
Jan 2, 2020


It's a little goofy to me that the early game revolves so much around upgrading workshop modules. Like, you get way way higher return on investment maxxing out your modules than you do drilling or using the factory or whatever.

I'm certain this changes eventually, especially because I'm pretty sure I need the headquarters(?) to T2 my modules.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

Arzaac posted:

It's a little goofy to me that the early game revolves so much around upgrading workshop modules. Like, you get way way higher return on investment maxxing out your modules than you do drilling or using the factory or whatever.

I'm certain this changes eventually, especially because I'm pretty sure I need the headquarters(?) to T2 my modules.

Headquarters is your main progression and has a bunch of unlocks associated with it.

Lab unlocks a lot of modules but many of the lab minigames are income checks so you won't be able to do much with them til military tier 4 or so. There are some good things you can pick up early, tho.

Mine can be a decent source of gems and other materials once you get the facility ai up and running.

Factory is a trap. much much later you have to struggle with it for some purpose that I'm not at yet but just forget it exists til then.

Arcade has some decent unlocks but the minigame is kinda dumb. Input the konami code and win the game (code does not help with winning) to unlock a powerful defensive module.

Shipyard and trading post don't do much but clicking through them unlocks slots in the

Museum which can give you a pretty decent damage and defense boost once you have enough income to mess with it and setup the ai for it.

Power Plant can make the timers in the other places faster but I really haven't messed with it much.

Shrine of cubos lets you play annoying minigames to gain exotic gems to buy building upgrades with.

The side bar on the main screen has a "town assets" button that you shouldn't neglect, each asset you place gives 1% white income and can be upgraded later.

dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Dec 7, 2020

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

The discord is basically required past mt4 or so. The mechanics get pretty convoluted and undiscoverable after a while and there's very little ingame documentation.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


dis astranagant posted:

The discord is basically required past mt4 or so. The mechanics get pretty convoluted and undiscoverable after a while and there's very little ingame documentation.

Whoever decided discord pins were the future of incremental help is a monster

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

Len posted:

Whoever decided discord pins were the future of incremental help is a monster

You wish it was in pins.

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Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


dis astranagant posted:

You wish it was in pins.

jesus christ

what was wrong with poorly written wikis?!

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