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https://twitter.com/tasty_gigabyte7/status/1335341017051004928 So how does a guy like this not get shot?
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Stultus Maximus posted:https://twitter.com/tasty_gigabyte7/status/1335341017051004928 He’s an old white man who voted Republican, OP. 
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Dec 6, 2020 01:17
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Stultus Maximus posted:https://twitter.com/tasty_gigabyte7/status/1335341017051004928 He's doing the cops work for them
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Dec 6, 2020 01:28
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Midjack posted:He’s an old white man who voted Republican, OP. I meant by the armed antifascists who were there.
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Dec 6, 2020 01:37
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Stultus Maximus posted:I meant by the armed antifascists who were there. I have to admit it’s kind of weird, not that I want this to happen, there hasn’t been a large scale shooting incident akin to a pitched battle somewhere. I guess most people don’t want to go to jail for the rest of their life potentially?
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Dec 6, 2020 01:39
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I feel like they know another ruby ridge or Waco would happen to them if they pushed too far.
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Dec 6, 2020 01:42
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I feel like they know another ruby ridge or Waco would happen to them if they pushed too far. Let’s not forget Tarp Ghost from the Bundys. Hell look at that biker shoot out a few years ago in Texas. When poo poo starts flying all over the place, the cops don’t really give a gently caress about who they’re shooting back at.
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Dec 6, 2020 01:44
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Any significant armed activity by leftists would immediately get crushed with extreme prejudice by the cops, both local and federal. Remember that dude who got whacked by the Marshalls in his driveway?
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Dec 6, 2020 01:44
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MRC48B posted:Any significant armed activity by leftists would immediately get crushed with extreme prejudice by the cops, both local and federal. Conversely Tarp Ghost. In the end pissing off heavily armed feds is never a good idea.
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Dec 6, 2020 01:47
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Feds play by slightly different rules.
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Dec 6, 2020 01:51
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That was under Obama, who was holding the chain to prevent another "Patriotic American protestors shot down by jackbooted federal thugs" narrative. If a gun battle starts between proudboys and armed antifa the narrative will be "Patriotic Americans Help our Thin Blue Heroes eliminate commie mutant traitor insurrection" Followed by a series of community leaders being "shot while resisting arrest (in their beds)". the alt-right would have to do something seriously egregious to lose their narrative control. they've already gotten away with assault, vehicular manslaughter, and shootings, so maybe killing a white 5 year old on camera by beating them to death with a brick of heroin.
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Dec 6, 2020 02:00
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They'd just blame the 5 year old for having a brick of heroin.
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Dec 6, 2020 02:05
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I have to admit it’s kind of weird, not that I want this to happen, there hasn’t been a large scale shooting incident akin to a pitched battle somewhere. I guess most people don’t want to go to jail for the rest of their life potentially? I don't want it to happen either, but... The chuds have been showing up armed to protest or counter-protest for years with the purpose of intimidating the opposition. It's been an axiom to them that liberals are afraid of guns and will never offer any armed resistance to them. So it's unfortunately necessary for antifa to start arming themselves to protect the rights of liberals and leftists to protest, since the cops sure as poo poo won't. So picture yourself doing that job. You're carrying at an antifa event, chuds show up to try and bully the protesters away. Some dumbfuck draws and starts aiming at unarmed protesters. What do you do?
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Dec 6, 2020 02:14
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If return fire came out of the Antifa crowd in Olympia today it would have been a literal bloodbath as there were 10 as many long guns let alone handguns on the MAGA side when I was walking around. They had armed people picketed near where all the lifted Trump flag trucks were parked and just generally better prepared for poo poo to go sideways. And the cops were sorta on their side as far as response and presence.
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Dec 6, 2020 02:20
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I think for a lot of the liberals/lefties buying guns it's far more of a "I'm going to take you with me if you try" reaction to the attempts at intimidation and all the loud screaming of fantasies about dragging Biden voters out of their homes and shooting them and etc. Like Hunter S. Thompson's reaction to getting threatened by some Hell's Angels: 
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Dec 6, 2020 02:28
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Stultus Maximus posted:I meant by the armed antifascists who were there. This is my completely lovely take, but I'm going to assume that the majority of the antifa crowd is not armed, and that starting gun warfare would probably end very badly for them. But also this: sharknado slashfic posted:He's doing the cops work for them The instant someone on the wrong side opens fire, the cops are going to go open season. They've already had plenty of chances to use  less lethal methods, I'm sure the facist pigs are more than eager to upgrade to real weapons.
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Dec 6, 2020 02:41
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staticman posted:"Dehumanize yourself" is as of now a survival mechanism. Please don't post good news
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Dec 6, 2020 02:43
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Yeah don’t forget how the Marshals executed the guy who defended himself in Portland, and the way the security guard in Denver got thrown under the bus immediately by his employers for defending himself.
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Dec 6, 2020 03:18
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1335401627050795008?s=19
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Dec 6, 2020 03:50
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Internet Wizard posted:Yeah don’t forget how the Marshals executed the guy who defended himself in Portland, and the way the security guard in Denver got thrown under the bus immediately by his employers for defending himself. So is there any point to the left arming up?
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Dec 6, 2020 04:06
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Stultus Maximus posted:So is there any point to the left arming up? Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre If you think it can't or won't happen again you are out of your mind.
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Dec 6, 2020 04:10
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ded posted:Yes. Uh... they got massacred by the chuds and the events were suppressed to the point where most people have only learned about it in the last decade. That example is more supporting this take: Zamujasa posted:This is my completely lovely take, but I'm going to assume that the majority of the antifa crowd is not armed, and that starting gun warfare would probably end very badly for them.
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Dec 6, 2020 04:17
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Stultus Maximus posted:So is there any point to the left arming up? Well at a bare minimum it's better than entirely ceding the shooting sports to racists and fascists, giving them a empty arena to spread their bullshit and radicalize others, as has been done for decades due to leftists getting tricked by liberals into tilting at the gun control windmill.
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Dec 6, 2020 05:56
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snip, yikes don't wanna unintentionally doxx a fellow goon 
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Dec 6, 2020 06:01
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His name even sounds like “Goonslayer”.
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Dec 6, 2020 06:07
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Since 2016, the largest growing demographic in gun sales were people who went left, along with minorities. The biggest concern for me, in all arenas is the sheer lack of knowledge and training on all sides.
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Dec 6, 2020 06:19
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Libs won't fight, while leftists are (generously) about 15% of the population and mostly unarmed. Conservatives are armed to the gills, have the cops on their side, and are all but begging for a chance to blow it all up. Arming up as a liberal or leftist for civil war 2 is at best useless imo.
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Dec 6, 2020 06:24
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lol
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Dec 6, 2020 06:30
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Best Friends posted:Libs won't fight, while leftists are (generously) about 15% of the population and mostly unarmed. Conservatives are armed to the gills, have the cops on their side, and are all but begging for a chance to blow it all up. Arming up as a liberal or leftist for civil war 2 is at best useless imo. Giving up seems like the best option, yeah.
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Dec 6, 2020 08:42
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It's the courage of your convictions. For some people those convictions are pretty powerful tho, so they might be more inclined
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Dec 6, 2020 09:05
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i'm a dipshit, not a psychologist, but i would posit that people on the left tend to have empathy and would have a lot of trouble pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger, outside of extreme circumstances on the other hand, the fascists/pigs have spent a long fuckin time reinforcing the dehumanization of others such that, to them, they're not killing people. they're aliens. traitors. subhuman. its scary to think about, honestly.
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Dec 6, 2020 09:17
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Zamujasa posted:the dehumanization of others did you notice that you did exactly this in your post?
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Dec 6, 2020 09:36
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Zamujasa posted:i'm a dipshit, not a psychologist, but i would posit that people on the left tend to have empathy and would have a lot of trouble pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger, outside of extreme circumstances So on the right you have fascist bully’s. They lack empathy yes, and without that they see murdering their enemies as acceptable. For the worst cases even like a fun sport, maybe hunting, maybe a COD match depending on the age group and maturity. However being bully’s who lack empathy they also lack the grounding that motivates people to actually fight. Offer them any resistance and they will eventually disengage because they want to punch down and refuse to risk themselves in a near peer engagement. Meanwhile the antifascists whom have empathy will of course struggle with the morality of engagement, but once the decision is made they will pursue it or go out shiny and chrome. Lot of historical evidence in European history for that. Plus some modern analogs that can be found in all the groups fighting around the Middle East in the past decade. GiP is not the real world but it surely seems like there is a nonzero number of leftist veterans with the “gently caress around and find out” mentality.
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Dec 6, 2020 09:58
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:did you notice that you did exactly this in your post? I think they meant that the chuds don't think they're killing humans. They think they're killing subhumans. The second "killing" was just missing.
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Dec 6, 2020 10:39
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I think they meant that the chuds don't think they're killing humans. They think they're killing subhumans. The second "killing" was just missing. Calling them fascists/pigs dehumanizes or otherwise abstracts their humanity was his point and creates the contradiction even though it may be correct/deserved... Unless you're being sarcastic? I can't tell anymore.
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Dec 6, 2020 11:31
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https://twitter.com/daviss/status/1335377700979142656?s=19 Stolen from Gbs, a bit of light heartedness we all need
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Dec 6, 2020 15:58
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I think they meant that the chuds don't think they're killing humans. They think they're killing subhumans. The second "killing" was just missing. You realize that calling them chud's is dehumanizing them right?
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Dec 6, 2020 16:15
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Pine Cone Jones posted:https://twitter.com/daviss/status/1335377700979142656?s=19 Like I said in the end the cops are going to protect themselves. You’re all just bikers at the Boob named Bar in Texas in the end. That is funny as hell though. On in none collapse of Global Civilization. The Mandalorian continues to loving own.
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Dec 6, 2020 16:16
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M_Gargantua posted:So on the right you have fascist bully’s. They lack empathy yes, and without that they see murdering their enemies as acceptable. For the worst cases even like a fun sport, maybe hunting, maybe a COD match depending on the age group and maturity. However being bully’s who lack empathy they also lack the grounding that motivates people to actually fight. Offer them any resistance and they will eventually disengage because they want to punch down and refuse to risk themselves in a near peer engagement. I'm much more confident in the resolve of people who feel they have to fight but don't want to than I am in people who are eager for a fight but haven't thought it through. One has decided to do something difficult and knows it will cost something, the other hasn't considered much other than glory of victory and the fantasy that violent conflict is fun.
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I think it's the case that if those on the left do not take a stand, the hard right and Trumpists will continue to use the threat of force to be giant assholes everywhere. Maybe it doesn't matter, maybe if you're brown or black it's a real threat to your freedom of movement or way of life. Maybe they will scamper back under the rug when big strong daddy finally strokes out, or actually experiences some form of consequences for a lifetime of grifting and Big Macs, maybe not. If the left attempt to respond with anything approaching equal force, the police and a frightening percentage of the CHUDs themselves are ready and willing to escalate, probably far beyond what most activists on the left would consider appropriate. When workers fight each other, capital wins etc. Some of them have been actively trying to kick poo poo off for a while now. Meanwhile, the centrist Dems and media establishment, including the president elect, will do what they did throughout this entire year and criticise the left activists first, or at the very least both-sides the issue. You'll end up with a bunch of dead people with nothing to show for it. If anyone not on twitter 24/7 ever even hears about it. Catch 22, but I hope we don't get to see the second scenario in the coming months all the same.
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