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This traffic chat reminds me of one time I was driving from Texas to Ontario and got pulled over and a hundredish dollar ticket for making a wide right turn from my mom’s residential street onto a main street like a minute into the trip. PH(P?)O: it was total bullshit and I’m still mad about it
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hawowanlawow posted:wow I thought you would love dick oh my god serious answer: i like him, i guess, sorta, but i think sci fi needs either drunk slavs or a theme of despair at the incomprehensible void, or both, to really work
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Overall, yiddish is the best langage to ever grace this earth
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If trains had been invented a century later, America would be like a dozen countries right now. More people need to be talking about this.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Overall, yiddish is the best langage to ever grace this earth En usko, tai en ainakaan myönnä uskovani, että mikään kieli olisi, tai voisi olla, Isänmaamme kaunista kieltä kaunihimpi. 
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Dec 6, 2020 06:44
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Gripweed posted:If trains had been invented a century later, America would be like a dozen countries right now. More people need to be talking about this. Give it a few years.
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I actually agree that Lem and the Stugatskys are the best sci fi writers. I'll add to that: the mid 20th century American 'great' sci fi writers like Asimov, Heinlein, and Ellison all sucked poo poo. Ray Bradbury is ok
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Dec 6, 2020 17:52
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Do you have an opinion on Niven?
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Badactura posted:the mid 20th century American 'great' sci fi writers like Asimov, Heinlein, and Ellison all sucked poo poo yeah. i think all of that stuff is really boring and reeks of musk and annoying optimism of the carl sagan variety i think the closest american author to lem is actually thomas pynchon
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Dec 6, 2020 18:13
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Shibawanko posted:yeah. i think all of that stuff is really boring and reeks of musk and annoying optimism of the carl sagan variety Ellison really does not have any annoying optimism. His short stories are fantastic and well worth reading, Deathbird Stories is one of my favorite books and The Deathbird is a really, really great story.
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Dec 6, 2020 18:22
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Ellison really does not have any annoying optimism. ive only read i have no mouth but i must scream, i dont outright hate it but it still reads like a fantasy story, the computer is anthropomorphized as some sort of evil spirit in a way that i dont think is believable
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Dec 6, 2020 18:37
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Shibawanko posted:ive only read i have no mouth but i must scream, i dont outright hate it but it still reads like a fantasy story, the computer is anthropomorphized as some sort of evil spirit in a way that i dont think is believable Because it wasn’t supposed to be believable?  Ellison is not hard sci fi at all.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Because it wasn’t supposed to be believable? i dont care about "hard" vs "soft". thats for nerds, and lem's stories can go either way. i only care if it's a believable story, i.e. free of cliches. if your motivation for any of your characters is something like "because the character is evil" you're already in cartoon fantasyland, the computer in i have no mouth is simply evil for no real reason, except it feels lovely because it exists and cant move so it wants revenge? like i said it could be worse but i dont think its thats good either
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most sci fi is like, either it's focused on some kind of "accelerationist" deliverance at the end either through technology or aliens (2001 a space odyssey is a classic example, again with an inexplicably "evil" computer, or interstellar which is just straight up a superstitious movie about a divine father figure), or it's about people fighting evil aliens or computers or meeting them and communicating with them or something, like "arrival", or it's just a more limited story where the aliens are supposed to tell us something about ourselves (like starship troopers), i think all of this stuff basically sucks or at least i'm not very interested in it
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Shibawanko posted:i dont care about "hard" vs "soft". thats for nerds, and lem's stories can go either way. i only care if it's a believable story, i.e. free of cliches. if your motivation for any of your characters is something like "because the character is evil" you're already in cartoon fantasyland, the computer in i have no mouth is simply evil for no real reason, except it feels lovely because it exists and cant move so it wants revenge? like i said it could be worse but i dont think its thats good either AM is basically a child pulling the wings off a fly, it’s so advanced it basically doesn’t see anything else as anything more than a plaything at best. Because it’s locked in itself, it takes out its pain and rage on anything it can. It’s not really a difficult concept.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:AM is basically a child pulling the wings off a fly, it’s so advanced it basically doesn’t see anything else as anything more than a plaything at best. Because it’s locked in itself, it takes out its pain and rage on anything it can. It’s not really a difficult concept. why would it though? what does it mean that it's "advanced"? the whole notion that something can be "advanced", implying that there can be progress, is the problem with science fiction
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Yeah a lot of sci fi, especially american sci fi, is basically recasting historical events or religious stories with spaceships and lasers. The Soviet stuff is often really weird and contains an element of having an encounter with something so inexplicably different that it can never be made sense of no matter how hard you try. They're also all about how you can't even know yourself much less the universe. It just is more interesting then 'hey the collapse of the Roman Empire in space'
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Badactura posted:Yeah a lot of sci fi, especially american sci fi, is basically recasting historical events or religious stories with spaceships and lasers. The Soviet stuff is often really weird and contains an element of having an encounter with something so inexplicably different that it can never be made sense of no matter how hard you try. They're also all about how you can't even know yourself much less the universe. It just is more interesting then 'hey the collapse of the Roman Empire in space' yeah lem has this basic technique which he also uses for his fictional book reviews (like in "a perfect vacuum" or "one human minute"), which is similar to borges in that he can describe something impossible indirectly, through human perception, and make it believable while at the same time demonstrating the limitations of his characters
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oldpainless posted:Do you have an opinion on Niven? I would say that old science fiction author is suspiciously horny. I wonder if there is some kind of trend there.
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oldpainless posted:Do you have an opinion on Niven? I never read any Niven so no
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Badactura posted:I actually agree that Lem and the Stugatskys are the best sci fi writers. I'll add to that: the mid 20th century American 'great' sci fi writers like Asimov, Heinlein, and Ellison all sucked poo poo. Ray Bradbury is ok Capek tho.
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doverhog posted:En usko, tai en ainakaan myönnä uskovani, että mikään kieli olisi, tai voisi olla, Isänmaamme kaunista kieltä kaunihimpi. Finnish is completely insane but I do like the way it sounds. Kippis!
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German is the language of love.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Capek tho. Who?
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Elissimpark posted:Who? Capek!
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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_%C4%8Capek
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Shibawanko posted:a believable story, i.e. free of cliches Shibawanko posted:2001 a space odyssey is a classic example, again with an inexplicably "evil" computer
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Gripweed posted:Capek! I'm sorry, I know who he is, but I just bought a new avatar (guess who!) and was trying to be a Big Man in front of Jerry Cotton.
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Tiggum posted:What do cliches even have to do with believability? quote:It's not inexplicable at all. It was programmed to prioritise the mission over the crew so when the crew seemed to threaten the mission it tried to stop them by any means necessary. It's extremely clear. the reason in the book is that he feels "guilty" for lying to the astronauts and then fears for his life when they threaten to disconnect him. how is that not just anthropomorphization? why would a computer feel guilty?
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Because they programmed it with a sense of integrity, obviously
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Dune, Warhammer, LotR and Star Wars and probably Starcraft (I havent played it) are all along the same gross boring nerd axis, and it's not quite as off-putting as the Buffy, MCU, Harry Potter, Dr Who axis but at least Buffy was quite frequently very decent despite doughy people with wire frame glasses and bad dye jobs enjoying it. The smug "guyness" of the first axis makes it harder to handle, at least the others embrace being cringey mainstream poo poo. World building is for D&D campaigns. Media is for characters and incident. If you can't communicate what you want about your world, and more importantly, your characters, in one volume quit prose fiction and write RPG source books. I will not be taking questions on how Warhammer is actually a tabletop game. Its bloated and gross and boring. Disco Pope has a new favorite as of 11:32 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Disco Pope posted:Dune, Warhammer, LotR and Star Wars and probably Starcraft (I havent played it) Starcraft rules, warhammer rules, lord of the rings was 3 good movies, i didn't like the books, star wars is good, at least the original 3 movies are i can't comment on the rest, i dont know why the Christ you are chucking Dune in there - its an order of magnitude lesser than the other franchises you named
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Starcraft is definitely the same as Lord of the rings
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Collapsing Farts posted:Starcraft is definitely the same as Lord of the rings Oh for sure. I mean, kind of. That was a weird post, Disco Pope.
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Collapsing Farts posted:Starcraft is definitely the same as Lord of the rings It also came in 3 parts
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Disco Pope posted:Dune, Warhammer, LotR and Star Wars and probably Starcraft (I havent played it) are all along the same gross boring nerd axis, and it's not quite as off-putting as the Buffy, MCU, Harry Potter, Dr Who axis but at least Buffy was quite frequently very decent despite doughy people with wire frame glasses and bad dye jobs enjoying it. The smug "guyness" of the first axis makes it harder to handle, at least the others embrace being cringey mainstream poo poo. tolkien is fine. liking "buffy the vampire slayer" is about the lowest a person can go before becoming a tvtropes contributor
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Oh for sure. I'm mad about nerds.
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no amount of words typed can erase the stink of liking comic books
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hawowanlawow posted:no amount of words typed can erase the stink of liking comic books Superheroes are indeed extremely bad, with no exceptions.
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hawowanlawow posted:no amount of words typed can erase the stink of liking comic books Agreed.
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