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In America there's no such thing as a verified service animal, however, under the ADA service dogs (there are no requirements to make accommodations for service animals that aren't dogs) have to perform a task to assist their owner so emotional support dogs don't qualify. But having a piece of paper saying your dog is a service dog makes it no more or less legitimate than any other service dog, no matter who issued that piece of paper.
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Skwirl posted:In America there's no such thing as a verified service animal, however, under the ADA service dogs (there are no requirements to make accommodations for service animals that aren't dogs) have to perform a task to assist their owner so emotional support dogs don't qualify. But having a piece of paper saying your dog is a service dog makes it no more or less legitimate than any other service dog, no matter who issued that piece of paper. Thanks, this is what I meant by the word jumble above it lol.
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Also people with service dogs aren't required to tell you what their disability is, but you can insist they tell you what the dog does, so if any of you want to fake your dog onto an airplane teach them to, like, pick up your keys if you drop them or something. Or just claim he alerts you if your blood sugar drops suddenly, apparently dogs can smell that. Air Skwirl has a new favorite as of 21:39 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Dec 3, 2020 21:37
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Skwirl posted:Also people with service dogs aren't required to tell you what their disability is, but you can insist they tell you what the dog does, so if any of you want to fake your dog onto an airplane teach them to, like, pick up your keys if you drop them or something. Yep, as well as warn of an upcoming epileptic seizure. However don't be a dick, every single person who claims that they have to have their barely-house-trained pug on the plane with them to help them with their Chronic Lyme Disease makes life harder for people who genuinely do rely on their service dog.
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The reason I know all this about service dogs is because of working in a restaurant with a large cross section of people with that needed a service dog to live their normal life and loving assholes who can't be bothered to train their dog not to hump their servers leg but did buy loving medallions that said "service dog." So I had to learn enough to be able to stare the latter half in the eye and say "you have to leave, go ahead and sue us." Zero lawsuits by the way. Probably a lot of dogs that people lied about being service animals but they didn't gently caress with anyone so I didn't really care.
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Is it actually that common now for people to bullshit about a service animal? Or for people to have service animals at all? I've worked service industry and never once come across one in NZ. I thought it was mostly one of those stdh story set ups for people who wanted to tell a story about being a vindictive rear end in a top hat but look like they had the moral superiority to do so. Like "so this karen came in today with her dog that was just constantly pissing, like steady stream of piss, and then it took a bite out of another customer's baby and I happen to train service animals in my spare time so I could tell that this one wasn't a service animal so I called her a landwhale and forced her out of the store aren't I a hero??"
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This was like 5 years ago but it was incredibly common for people with no obvious disabilities to bring their "service dogs" into restaurants in Oakland California. Some of them were probably legit and a lot of them weren't. As a server I only ever made an issue out of it with customers if the dog wasn't well behaved because there are disabilities that a service dog can help with that aren't obvious. But yeah probably 2-3 times a week over three years someone would bring their service dog that I wouldn't be sure if it was legit or not. People are just loving entitled assholes though. That restaurant had an enclosed patio that when I started we didn't allow non service animals on, but then we did allow people to bring their dogs and one time I had a customer who let his dog wander off leash and three different times I would ask him to keep the dog on a leash because I didn't want to trip over it while bringing someone their hamburgers and he would put it on the leash then as soon as I went back inside he would let it off again. Air Skwirl has a new favorite as of 20:54 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Dec 5, 2020 20:49
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That’s why restaurants here have a section specifically for people with service animals and they all cram in there together unhappy as gently caress
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oldpainless posted:That’s why restaurants here have a section specifically for people with service animals and they all cram in there together unhappy as gently caress Pretty sure that would be flagrantly illegal in America.
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bike tory posted:Is it actually that common now for people to bullshit about a service animal? Or for people to have service animals at all? I've worked service industry and never once come across one in NZ. There are two types of legal distinctions here. One is for service animals which is protected by the ADA. That requires all businesses to provide accommodations to allow the service animal. The ADA only protects dogs as service animals and to generally qualify as one under the ADA they have to perform some sort of task that the disabled person couldn't on their own (like doggos that help blind people navigate around). While there is no certification process the law does say the dog needs to be well trained so a dog that is biting others or whatever is pretty clearly not a service animal. There are also what is known as emotional support animals (ESA). This isn't based on federal ADA law and instead is based on state and/or locality. For ESA (if allowed under state law) they are only required to provide emotional support as attested by a doctor. The protections that a state offer for ESA varies but it's never as absolute as a service animal under the ADA. In my state of MN one of the protections offered for an ESA are that a landlord can't prohibit you from having the animal. Some companies to avoid hot water just treat them the same because it can be tricky having your frontline employees enforce a ban on ESA that doesn't run afoul of people with true service animals. There's also confusion from individuals on the differences so someone might believe their ESA is a service animal even though it isn't. There's also those that known the difference but exploit a company's fear of litigation. Then there are the people who use ESA in legit ways that people don't like (for instance I have used the ESA thing to allow my yorkiepoo and kitty to live with me when my landlord tried to ban pets). Edit: And to add some other context, in MN an ESA is recognized for housing purposes but that's it. So the law doesn't say you can take it to a restaurant, or the airport, etc. Wheras a service animal must be allowed anywhere the public would normally be allowed. Raldikuk has a new favorite as of 21:47 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Skwirl posted:Pretty sure that would be flagrantly illegal in America. And we never break laws in america
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oldpainless posted:And we never break laws in america loving with the ADA is a really quick way to lose a lot of money in lawsuits.
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bike tory posted:Is it actually that common now for people to bullshit about a service animal? Skwirl posted:People are just loving entitled assholes though. Because people started treating animals as fashion accessories thanks to The Simple Life's poodle-pug handbag carrier, and when they figured out they could cry victim with the ADA One Simple Trick they abused it to all gently caress.
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FilthyImp posted:Because people started treating animals as fashion accessories thanks to The Simple Life's poodle-pug handbag carrier I think it's a bit older than that, by like at least 500 years?
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See: pocket beagles. I actually wish the breed was still around.
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I don't know if this is actually true but I heard lap dog breeds started so they could sit on royal's laps and keep them warm because castles could be cold and drafty.
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There was a dog breed specifically to do nothing but walk in wheels to turn roasts in a kitchen. Bet they were small too.
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I guess that's maybe better than using spit boys?
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My best friend trains puppies that are to be proper service dogs and they have to be extremely well behaved and responsive to commands to graduate. If the dog is making a scene without serious extenuating circumstances it’s like 99% sure that ain’t a real service dog. Also the vast majority of from a very small number of breeds, like labs. There aren’t seeing eye pugs.
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Raldikuk posted:my yorkiepoo Edgar Allen Ho posted:My best friend trains puppies that are to be proper service dogs and they have to be extremely well behaved and responsive to commands to graduate. Splicer has a new favorite as of 00:12 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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This always makes me laugh 
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Solice Kirsk posted:There was a dog breed specifically to do nothing but walk in wheels to turn roasts in a kitchen. Bet they were small too. you’re thinking of the flinstones
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"Eh, It's a living." / 
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Solice Kirsk posted:There was a dog breed specifically to do nothing but walk in wheels to turn roasts in a kitchen. Bet they were small too. Turnspit dogs, believed to have been a mix of corgi and rat terrier. There’s a photo of a taxidermied one in this article.
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This may be 18th century STDH, but I have to hope hope it happened at least once. wikipedia posted:The dogs were also taken to church to serve as foot warmers. One story says that during service at a church in Bath, the Bishop of Gloucester gave a sermon and uttered the line "It was then that Ezekiel saw the wheel...". At the mention of the word "wheel" several turnspit dogs, who had been brought to church as foot warmers, ran for the door. Good puppers just wanted to get to work
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Concept: steampunk style alternate history, but all the machines are powered by dogs The atom is even split by breeding incredibly small but powerful dogs that bite the atom in half. (This kills the dog.)
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hyperhazard posted:This may be 18th century STDH, but I have to hope hope it happened at least once. I recall reading somewhere that the rood screen in churches was partly to keep dogs out of the godlier bits - I’m rather a fan of the idea of going to a church with heaps of big jumpy hounds all over the place.
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Concept: steampunk style alternate history, but all the machines are powered by dogs "we source our thorium only from USDA-licensed breeder reactors."
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Concept: steampunk style alternate history, but all the machines are powered by dogs Dogpunk
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Teckelnology.
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In Dark Souls there's an area called Blighttown, which is horrible and bad. One of the enemy types is a dog that occasionally spits (barks?) flames. In one part of the area there is a giant, wooden wheel powering am elevator made of rope and planks. If you look carefully, you can see one of those dogs walking inside the wheel to power it. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Concept: steampunk style alternate history, but all the machines are powered by dogs http://www.scpwiki.com/scp-4062
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Stack Machine posted:"we source our thorium only from USDA-licensed breeder reactors." Thorgis
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Flint_Paper posted:In Dark Souls there's an area called Blighttown, which is horrible and bad. One of the enemy types is a dog that occasionally spits (barks?) flames. Are you suggesting turnspit dogs went extinct because people were farming them for upgrade souls? Sir, you have my attention.
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I 100% believe this kid is named 'Alahzandra'.
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GreenMetalSun posted:I 100% believe this kid is named 'Alahzandra'.
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SLOSifl posted:That is NOT how you pronounce it. Yeah, it's pronounced 'Alahzandra'.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Yeah, it's pronounced 'Alahzandra'. WELL NOW I FEEL FOOLISH
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