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dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Kunster posted:

The difference is that California was actually covered on the Portuguese press (while still somehow defending PG&E somehow) while a state that actually talks the same loving language as us only has this somehow.

I am actually very loving surprised it made the news there in Portugal tbqh

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Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Oh, wait, there's TWO outlets that bothered to cover it.

quote:

A votação irá decidir quem governará 5.557 cidades brasileiras, número que exclui o Distrito Federal, onde a administração do território, incluindo a capital do país, Brasília, é exercida pelo governador, e também Macapá, capital do estado do Amapá, onde a votação foi adiada devido a problemas no abastecimento elétrico.

For added effect and accuracy, you must say that entire part in the most bored and loud way possible and thru your nose. Holy poo poo Sic, you have a loving office in Brazil. You were founded by Globo. Saying "Oh they have problems on the electrical supply" like if it was the most normal thing in the world. I mean I shouldn't expect too much from loving SOCIEDADE INDEPDENTE "Oh, let's report on a fleeing native family whose dad is telling us there's paramilitary and farms chasing them added to the fire with a chyron saying "Indians upset because they can no longer live their traditional lifestyles and have their native diet like spoiled kids"" DE COMUNICAÇÃO but Jesus, that small statement like if Amapá had like only 20 people live there and it was a Malibu Rum advert.

Kunster has issued a correction as of 16:58 on Nov 25, 2020

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
The era of 'pretending to care' is quickly coming to a close. Be in in Brazil or the USA.

Until around the 1990s, when poo poo happened all sides generally felt obligated to both show concern and try to act to alleviate things, however incompetently or wrong-headedly. Because hey, makes the system look bad if you don't.

Around the 2000s, with the neoliberal veneer of civility fraying and the post-9/11 reaction showing how callous the world order really was, it morphed into just expressing your "shock" and "concern", but not doing much about it. It's the Katrina mindset; the bigshots got away, let the rabble drown while you fake-cry. Repeated with public funding on a bigger scale in the Financial crash of 2008.

Now even the veneer is gone. Hundreds of thousands of dead people because having minimal societal organization is for commies? Tough. Distant state thrown back to the 1920s by power outages and a bizarrely confused private ownership situation? Their problem. Mining waste barrage bursts and drowns a town in toxic mud? They knew the risks. Stop the weepy poo poo, it upsets the markets!

Late capitalism really is more cruel than slavery in many ways. The old slaveowners saw people as property, but they VALUED property. Losing half of your workforce to a plague would doom them.

The current system sees people as commodities. There's a surplus so they can be replaced pretty much at will, and drained dry when the markets crash again and their taxes fund the next bailout.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

:thunk:

https://twitter.com/valoreconomico/status/1332013914800984064

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

The thread title is fitting, turns out Rui Costa Pimenta was right about Boulos all the time lmfao

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
welp at least it was a quicker turnaround for me than bernie
edit: maybe I'm reading this wrong, for one boulos can win and who are these 50 business people?

Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 00:16 on Nov 27, 2020

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

quote:

Um grupo de 50 empresários e executivos do setor produtivo e financeiro elaborou na noite de quarta-feira um manifesto de apoio à candidatura da chapa de Guilherme Boulos e Luíza Erundina, do Psol, à Prefeitura de São Paulo. O manifesto intitulado “Boulos e a necessidade de inovação na gestão de São Paulo”, ao qual o Valor teve acesso, será divulgado oficialmente a partir de hoje e tenta dirimir resistências da iniciativa privada ao candidato do Psol. O grupo endossa que, se eleito, Boulos governará com responsabilidade fiscal e manterá diálogo com a iniciativa privada, mantendo o foco no interesse público, como ele próprio tem enfatizado ao longo do segundo turno.

O candidato do Psol conta com ampla simpatia de empresários do chamado Sistema B, certificação internacional em que empresas atestam que são social e ecologicamente responsáveis. Muitos investidores que aderiram à candidatura de Boulos não subscrevem o manifesto por questões de compliance dos aglomerados financeiros em que atuam, cujos contratos vetam a adesão pública de apoios políticos. O manifesto é assinado por 11 “empresários B” e investidores que representam o grupo mais amplo, incluindo nomes como o do ex-banqueiro Eduardo Moreira, João Paulo Pacífico, CEO do Grupo Gaia, Marcel Fukayama, empresário B, e Luis Rheingatntz, empresário do agronegócio. Mulheres do setor empresarial também subscrevem o manifesto de apoio, como Greta Gogiel Salvi, empresária B, Nina Silva, CEO do Movimento Black Money, Flávia Aranha, estilista e empresária B, e Eliana Lopes.

Segundo o ex-banqueiro Eduardo Moreira, há uma tendência no mercado financeiro de achar que só existe uma opção para o mundo que dá certo. “E o mercado dobra essa aposta o tempo inteiro, mas o mundo parece não estar dando certo, pelo menos para essas pessoas que vivem a desigualdade da forma mais cruel”, disse ao Valor. Para o ex-banqueiro, Boulos passou a maior parte da vida dedicando-se a conhecer os problemas, e essa experiência é mais valiosa do que os que se apaixonam por soluções sem conhecer as realidades na ponta. “É muito difícil esperar mudança do mesmo grupo que está no poder”, salienta Moreira, fundador do movimento “Somos 70%”, que rejeita os extremos políticos.

Para o empresário João Paulo Pacífico, a candidatura de Boulos é a que melhor responde ao desafio da desigualdade social. “Vejo que é a candidatura que tem um olhar mais empático e compassivo, e um entendimento muito maior dessa questão social”, argumenta. Ele cita que o renda solidária proposto por Boulos revela a compreensão de que esses recursos são dinheiro na veia da economia e que, ao mesmo tempo, respondem rapidamente ao abismo social que se aprofundou na pandemia.

Não é comunismo, não é irresponsabilidade fiscal. É um olhar para ver o que é prioridade como cidade, com a iniciativa privada fazendo parte disso. A iniciativa privada não está sendo demonizada, senão não faria sentido nós, empresários e economistas, apoiarmos essa candidatura.”

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


wtf im voting Covas now

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Lol, that isn't "Carta aos Bancos", come on.

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous
Welp went for the "upset tummy" get out of work free card after hellish insomnia tonight and found out that the offices chuddiest chud got the rona and management apparently just didn't bother telling us

I hate this job and the money stock is okay enough to ride 2021 out i figure, but it's hard to justify leaving a CLT mostly wfh job with decent pay during a pandemic. However, continuing almost certainly will get me infected. I hate it :smith:

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


bagual posted:

Welp went for the "upset tummy" get out of work free card after hellish insomnia tonight and found out that the offices chuddiest chud got the rona and management apparently just didn't bother telling us

I hate this job and the money stock is okay enough to ride 2021 out i figure, but it's hard to justify leaving a CLT mostly wfh job with decent pay during a pandemic. However, continuing almost certainly will get me infected. I hate it :smith:

Não perde tempo.

https://mpt.mp.br/pgt/servicos/servico-denuncie

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Thanking god every day for not being Carioca

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


lol if anything, our portuguese legacy is all about the powerful saving their asses when the water hits there

supporting boulos in the current condition is exactly the sort of thing clever businessmen can do to signal "see we need a new thing going on" without atm doing anything concrete, while also preparing to use the goodwill generated to sit in a better position at the table

if anything boulos should be ready to push them hard while also putting on them the impression of "mitigating the losses", which means a win-win; has to been if he can pull it off though

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

dead gay comedy forums posted:

lol if anything, our portuguese legacy is all about the powerful saving their asses when the water hits there

supporting boulos in the current condition is exactly the sort of thing clever businessmen can do to signal "see we need a new thing going on" without atm doing anything concrete, while also preparing to use the goodwill generated to sit in a better position at the table

if anything boulos should be ready to push them hard while also putting on them the impression of "mitigating the losses", which means a win-win; has to been if he can pull it off though

Very much so. Hell, I remember that back in 2007-2009 the corporate pukes from FIESP and their leader Paulo Skaf couldn't shut up about social responsibility, national development, inclusion and so on.

Skip ahead 5 years and they were bitching about the nanny state and whispering that someone had to do something about the corrupt socialists in power ruining everything.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

D'Ávila and Boulos lost but Edmilson Rodrigues got Belém. Also pretty much all the Bolsonaro endorsed candidates ate poo poo.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Covas is an amazing android you got to give credit for that

The Unnamed One
Jan 13, 2012

"BOOM!"

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Covas is an amazing android you got to give credit for that

Alckmin's true successor

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1333205427132088320

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

God, at least that site saying that Macapá line doesn't make me pop a fuse.

Also:

https://twitter.com/beatrizcaminha/status/1333178231445463041?s=20

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


if non-applicable votes exceed either candidate, there should be an automatic retry voiding the current candidates

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Little story about a successful Brazilian tech company, with foreign investors.

I’m from the foreign side, and was seconded to SP for a while to see how things were on the ground.

The company was, overall, very progressive. no obvious bias on sex, race, sexuality, cis/trans and so on. That held all the way up to VP tier.

VP tier (below c suite) had 8 people. 3 were good, 5 were ok. 2 were women, 6 were men.

Every single male GM, and one of the women, had voted for Bolsonaro. Every one. The lady who didn’t vote for him was pretty right wing too but more traditional.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Beefeater1980 posted:

Little story about a successful Brazilian tech company, with foreign investors.

I’m from the foreign side, and was seconded to SP for a while to see how things were on the ground.

The company was, overall, very progressive. no obvious bias on sex, race, sexuality, cis/trans and so on. That held all the way up to VP tier.

VP tier (below c suite) had 8 people. 3 were good, 5 were ok. 2 were women, 6 were men.

Every single male GM, and one of the women, had voted for Bolsonaro. Every one. The lady who didn’t vote for him was pretty right wing too but more traditional.

brazilian tech has that all over it; it is easier to do pretend progressive than it is to put the effort to do so

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
that's like 90% of the br expats working on tech in lisbon

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

Beefeater1980 posted:

Little story about a successful Brazilian tech company, with foreign investors.

I’m from the foreign side, and was seconded to SP for a while to see how things were on the ground.

The company was, overall, very progressive. no obvious bias on sex, race, sexuality, cis/trans and so on. That held all the way up to VP tier.

VP tier (below c suite) had 8 people. 3 were good, 5 were ok. 2 were women, 6 were men.

Every single male GM, and one of the women, had voted for Bolsonaro. Every one. The lady who didn’t vote for him was pretty right wing too but more traditional.

Brazil has extreme wealth and income inequality, much more than the US. Which means that on matters of gender, gender identity and sexual orientation those who are rich enough are able to protect themselves from the brutality that is unavoidable for everyone else

Brazil had a transwoman on the cover of playboy back in the 80s. Even as it has always been one of the deadliest places on earth for transwomen.

Same thing applies for things like abortion and same sex marriage. If you're rich enough what the state does there does not matter.



That is why you don't see as big a big gender or sexual orientation split on national politics, but you see it everywhere else. Meanwhile, in 2018 Haddad won 99% of the 1000 poorest cities and bozo won 96% of the 1000 richest.

Edit: and to clarify, I am talking about state violence. Even rich women and LGBT+ folks still face a lot of violence in their personal lives from partners, etc (Brazil, after all, is the place where "self defense of the honor" was used). But in terms of state violence, there is no amount of money that will protect a black person from just being murdered by BOPE and there is no amount of whiteness that will protect a landless peasant from just being mowed down by farmers with state support. But if you're rich, laws regarding abortion, same sex marriage, etc are essentially meaningless to you.

joepinetree has issued a correction as of 20:00 on Nov 30, 2020

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Honest Thief posted:

that's like 90% of the br expats working on tech in lisbon

Manuela Moura Guedes's shtick for her 6 month commentariat until Bolso got unpopular enough to unceremoniously kick her out and delete her archives and pin Moro as merely "uncareful and wanting power a bit too much".

When he won it was funny seeing the telly go "Ok we have to find someone who is Pro-that guy but isn't overtly an overprivelged gho- OH MY GOD WE FOUND A CLEANING LADY THAT'S PRO-BOLSO. YOU! YOU GET A SPOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE EX-GOPE GUY!"

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

Kunster posted:

Manuela Moura Guedes's shtick for her 6 month commentariat until Bolso got unpopular enough to unceremoniously kick her out and delete her archives and pin Moro as merely "uncareful and wanting power a bit too much".

She was kicked over bolso? I thought it was some other backstage business

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
Speaking of Moro, he is now a director for the American consultancy firm in charge of Odebrecht's judicial recovery. Just the most blatant form of self dealing and corruption.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
nice surprise twist at the end on this one

https://twitter.com/luduvicu/status/1333847971151171585

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Did you guys see the GTA/Payday poo poo in Criciúma? Seems like "Neo-Cangaceiro" gangs are targeting small cities with smaller police departments to conduct those insane bank heists

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Plutonis posted:

Did you guys see the GTA/Payday poo poo in Criciúma? Seems like "Neo-Cangaceiro" gangs are targeting small cities with smaller police departments to conduct those insane bank heists

loving it

Criciúma is the main city of southern Santa Catarina, not exactly small for our standards hahahahahaha

also some people of course were "the buh-buh-bank" and melting over people getting money from the guys who stole it or grabbing from the floor, jesus loving christ you are pitying a goddamned bank how goddamned disgraceful of a worm you gotta be

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous

Plutonis posted:

Did you guys see the GTA/Payday poo poo in Criciúma? Seems like "Neo-Cangaceiro" gangs are targeting small cities with smaller police departments to conduct those insane bank heists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASWb-hrZ3c

sign me the gently caress up for neo cangaço, ill be the bazooka guy that does nothing all night

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Honest Thief posted:

She was kicked over bolso? I thought it was some other backstage business

If it was, it coincided rather well with the Amazon fires + Moro investigation ordeals.

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


whats going on these days, why are conservatives in this country so absurdly sensitive

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarcelaLiraCruz/status/1334264410114846721

wow... the flag of our main economic partner is a bit above us... this means... ?!!?!??!

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


frajaq posted:

whats going on these days, why are conservatives in this country so absurdly sensitive

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarcelaLiraCruz/status/1334264410114846721

wow... the flag of our main economic partner is a bit above us... this means... ?!!?!??!

They want to make the discourse about their petty hysteria than about real problems, often because they don't have real problems.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

bolsonaro loving saluted the american flag

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Plutonis posted:

bolsonaro loving saluted the american flag

as you should for your overlord's flag

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


why

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
PORRA. CARALHO

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Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

i read that as politic lifes matter then i reread.. w t h

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