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GramCracker
Oct 8, 2005

beauty by stroll
I guess that $29c 12/11 for $PLTR I got isn't dead yet?? :thunk:

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Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

GramCracker posted:

I guess that $29c 12/11 for $PLTR I got isn't dead yet?? :thunk:

Shhhhh, you're tempting the gods.

lostleaf
Jul 12, 2009
I don't understand the hate for AZ vaccine. They are the only vaccine out of the three that test weekly rather on based on symptoms. Both Pfizer and Moderna, only obtains a PCR swab if you become symptomatic. Asymptomatic patients still have findings on CT consistent with pneumonia and among other effects. We really don't know if there's COVID has lasting effects even if you're asymptomatic. I'd take a 60-70% efficacy of prevention of infection rather than a 95% efficacy to be asymptomatic. Don't get me wrong, both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could potentially be better than AZ in terms of prevention but right now their studies don't demonstrate prevention, they only demonstrate decrease in symptoms.

https://www.thelancet.com/cms/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32466-1/attachment/1246f6f0-bef8-4428-b9d1-cf9aaced64bd/mmc1.pdf
look on page 62 for surveillance protocol of AZ

Just google pubmed asymptomatic covid for any number of studies that shows there's disease pathology even when the patient feels fine.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

GramCracker posted:

I guess that $29c 12/11 for $PLTR I got isn't dead yet?? :thunk:

Oscar Wild posted:

Shhhhh, you're tempting the gods.

I sold CSPs on PLTR $19 12/18 for $180 each 2 weeks ago. Just bought them out for $11 each. Made $169 on each :nice:

Now, do I tempt fate and roll up?

DoubleT2172
Sep 24, 2007

Cacafuego posted:

I sold CSPs on PLTR $19 12/18 for $180 each 2 weeks ago. Just bought them out for $11 each. Made $169 on each :nice:

Now, do I tempt fate and roll up?

Yes, Sell some 12/24 $30P

Baddog
May 12, 2001

lostleaf posted:

They are the only vaccine out of the three that test weekly rather on based on symptoms. Both Pfizer and Moderna, only obtains a PCR swab if you become symptomatic. Asymptomatic patients still have findings on CT consistent with pneumonia and among other effects. We really don't know if there's COVID has lasting effects even if you're asymptomatic. I'd take a 60-70% efficacy of prevention of infection rather than a 95% efficacy to be asymptomatic.

This is a really good point!

Its weird to me that pfizer and moderna only checked symptomatic patients. You would *assume* that the rates of asymptomatic positives would be low as well, but that's not a given.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Baddog posted:

This is a really good point!

Its weird to me that pfizer and moderna only checked symptomatic patients. You would *assume* that the rates of asymptomatic positives would be low as well, but that's not a given.

Only checking symptomatic patients would make you look better than someone checking everyone (AZ). The only weird thing about it to me is that all the vaccine trials aren't being forced to look at asymptomatic patients similar to AZ given how many covid cases are asymptomatic.

edit: the answer is probably capitalism with a veneer of "it'd be too hard on the trial participants to get tested all the time"

Artonos
Dec 3, 2018
Is think or swim the recommended place to paper trade options? I don't actually have the risk tolerance to trade real options right now, but I would like to understand them a bit better.

Bedlam
Feb 15, 2008

Angry thoughts

The worst part of the TSLA rollercoaster is finding out when to jump off. This stock makes no sense but I doubt it will drop before it hits the S&P500 on 12/21. Maybe.. :ohdear:

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


AZ only did that for a limited subset of patients from what I understand. It would have almost certainly been too difficult to do for all the patients in any trial, particularly in the US. The results were about what we expected after phase 1/2, since the AZ one had a less robust response there (and that group's reputstion is for underdelivering on efficacy anyway). That's not to say it isn't a huge accomplishment though, it is and it will likely be very useful.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



Artonos posted:

Is think or swim the recommended place to paper trade options? I don't actually have the risk tolerance to trade real options right now, but I would like to understand them a bit better.

That's what I did, it worked well but they only give you 2 months before you need to fund your account.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Starting to feel good about my AAL 12c 7/16.

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!

DoubleT2172 posted:

Yes, Sell some 12/24 $30P

I would like to know more about this strategy. I've only sold a handful of OTM puts-- and as I've said earlier, my $9 cost basis is making me hesitant to buy any more shares now because then my number would average up.

I tossed around the idea of selling the $17.50 2023 put because the premium was at $7.xx, but I think that seems pretty capital inefficient.


Edit:

AHH F/UGH posted:

Now is abso-loving-lutely the time to get in on airlines and cruises. I'm probably going to grab a few hundred shares of CCL at some point and just start writing covered calls on them. I'm already doing that with 200 shares of AAL.


\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Would absolutely like to hear your strategy for contract length and strike price for what you're selling.

MetaJew fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Dec 8, 2020

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Rolo posted:

Starting to feel good about my AAL 12c 7/16.

Now is abso-loving-lutely the time to get in on airlines and cruises. I'm probably going to grab a few hundred shares of CCL at some point and just start writing covered calls on them. I'm already doing that with 200 shares of AAL.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

AHH F/UGH posted:

Now is abso-loving-lutely the time to get in on airlines and cruises. I'm probably going to grab a few hundred shares of CCL at some point and just start writing covered calls on them. I'm already doing that with 200 shares of AAL.

Yeah when I got my AAL call I did CCL too.

E: what sort of calls are you writing? Just out of curiosity.

Rolo fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Dec 8, 2020

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



As expected TSLA doing ATM offering and it didn't even drop that much

wet_goods
Jun 21, 2004

I'M BAAD!

MomJeans420 posted:

As expected TSLA doing ATM offering and it didn't even drop that much

Wow , 50000% returns and hepatitis sign me up!

fougera
Apr 5, 2009
Do I keep my UNFI short on into the print tomorrow? Discuss

Tokyo Sex Whale
Oct 9, 2012

"My butt smells like vanilla ice cream"

MomJeans420 posted:

As expected TSLA doing ATM offering and it didn't even drop that much

It’s gonna finish the day green! Making cars seems kind of ancillary to the business, just close all the factories and save on labor and capex, then sell stock

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Tokyo Sex Whale posted:

It’s gonna finish the day green! Making cars seems kind of ancillary to the business, just close all the factories and save on labor and capex, then sell stock

Wow think of the margins on EVs with no opex!

Bought AAL on recommendations from the thread. Probably going to touch the AirBnB poop. I'm all in on Hellworld ETF.

Greatest Living Man
Jul 22, 2005

ask President Obama

MomJeans420 posted:

As expected TSLA doing ATM offering and it didn't even drop that much

You never go rear end to mouth

f1av0r
Jan 13, 2008
Rdfn about to hit ath. I’ve got about 1100 shares but I think I’ll cash them at near 60, because this stock always seems to drop 15-20% after hitting highs. Think I’ll park it in baba until it falls back to the high 40s

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



Tokyo Sex Whale posted:

It’s gonna finish the day green! Making cars seems kind of ancillary to the business, just close all the factories and save on labor and capex, then sell stock

They need to pretend to make some kind of product though, so why not make Tesla cryptocurrency and reinvent themselves? Sure it would be horrible and full of problems, but that doesn't matter.

Greatest Living Man posted:

You never go rear end to mouth

I swear there's a part in that movie where some character (I think the gf?) says something about it being ok if it's really hot, but I can't find it online and I probably won't watch Clerks II again to figure it out.

*edit*
I don't know if anyone is following $PEN, but it's halted. Marc Cohodes seems to do good work, but I didn't take a position because betting on number go down in this market has not worked very well for me.

MomJeans420 fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 8, 2020

fougera
Apr 5, 2009

MomJeans420 posted:

They need to pretend to make some kind of product though, so why not make Tesla cryptocurrency and reinvent themselves? Sure it would be horrible and full of problems, but that doesn't matter.


I swear there's a part in that movie where some character (I think the gf?) says something about it being ok if it's really hot, but I can't find it online and I probably won't watch Clerks II again to figure it out.

*edit*
I don't know if anyone is following $PEN, but it's halted. Marc Cohodes seems to do good work, but I didn't take a position because betting on number go down in this market has not worked very well for me.

Love Marc, he's a straight shooter, does a ton of research, and not some bullshit hit and run type like Citron. He's got some dirt on Georgia Republicans too which he says will come out shortly.

I hear you on shorting but if you are able to nail one or two of them in a ripping market and risk manage well enough to avoid losing your shirt, thats a ton of alpha.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



Yeah, but I think of Wirecard or Tesla and realize that while eventually the stocks tank, it can take a long time

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum
Looking at this:

https://twitter.com/TenYearNote/status/1336380785088065536

Might be worth tossing some change at $DGE?

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



I have the DGE ADR as $DEO, honestly I forgot I had it, but I also own $BUD and $TAP so I guess I almost have the universe of alcohol megacaps.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



So we'll definitely be at the top when Robinhood IPOs, right?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...SKBN28I328?il=0

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Read the AMA from Ray Dalio today, pretty interesting. Skimmed his series on cycles, some very interesting graphs there. He pinpoints the time when the US started to decline to 10 years ago, that shitshow of a recovery.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/archetypical-cycle-internal-order-disorder-ray-dalio/

No earth shattering advice, but he recommends to get diversified internationally (and by category). Think it is becoming apparent to many that we are definitely on the decline, and this ridiculous pandemic response will only accelerate that. So slamming 80% into SPY and 20% into US bonds perhaps ain't gonna be so hot going forward. What country is better though.... not a lot of great choices, at least not ones with fair markets.

Baddog fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Dec 9, 2020

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Baddog posted:

Read the AMA from Ray Dalio today, pretty interesting. Skimmed his series on cycles, some very interesting graphs there. He pinpoints the time when the US started to decline to 10 years ago, that shitshow of a recovery.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/archetypical-cycle-internal-order-disorder-ray-dalio/

No earth shattering advice, but he recommends to get diversified internationally (and by category). Think it is becoming apparent to many that we are definitely on the decline, and this ridiculous pandemic response will only accelerate that. So slamming 80% into SPY and 20% into US bonds perhaps ain't gonna be so hot going forward. What country is better though.... not a lot of great choices, at least not ones with fair markets.

The graphs

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pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Baddog posted:

Read the AMA from Ray Dalio today, pretty interesting. Skimmed his series on cycles, some very interesting graphs there. He pinpoints the time when the US started to decline to 10 years ago, that shitshow of a recovery.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/archetypical-cycle-internal-order-disorder-ray-dalio/

No earth shattering advice, but he recommends to get diversified internationally (and by category). Think it is becoming apparent to many that we are definitely on the decline, and this ridiculous pandemic response will only accelerate that. So slamming 80% into SPY and 20% into US bonds perhaps ain't gonna be so hot going forward. What country is better though.... not a lot of great choices, at least not ones with fair markets.

That’s a long read and I’m on an iPad. Does he address how global megacorps such as AAPL are effectively decoupled from the health of US culture or competence of US government at large? Because buying SPY is largely like buying a bunch of companies who don’t give a poo poo if the federal government is competent compared to China or not.

HamsterPolice
Apr 17, 2016

Baddog posted:

The graphs



Do you know what the y axis is on the top graph?

Anyway, it seems like some bullshit to me. The international diversification seems true though and has been true for a while given how cheap it is everywhere else compared to US equity markets.

edit: it's the private sector non-financial debt %gdp

HamsterPolice fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 9, 2020

Baddog
May 12, 2001

pmchem posted:

That’s a long read and I’m on an iPad. Does he address how global megacorps such as AAPL are effectively decoupled from the health of US culture or competence of US government at large? Because buying SPY is largely like buying a bunch of companies who don’t give a poo poo if the federal government is competent compared to China or not.

No, nothing that specific. He's more talking about the macro trends and what to expect.

Just general advice - "save and put your savings into a well-diversified mix of currencies, countries, and asset classes."

Probably need to think about how even though the spy multinationals are decoupled to an extent, that most of apples revenue still comes from the west. Their favorable manufacturing terms are because of the dominance that the us *used* to have. And how value creation through interface and ecosystem are kind of ephemeral, and again largely dependent on being based in the dominant global economy.


Edit - look at tiktok. How easy it is for a chinese company to bubble up now. That's going to become more common, not less. Are the US companies going to be able to stay dominate through acquisition now? Noooooo.

Baddog fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Dec 9, 2020

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Baddog posted:

No, nothing that specific. He's more talking about the macro trends and what to expect.

Just general advice - "save and put your savings into a well-diversified mix of currencies, countries, and asset classes."

Probably need to think about how even though the spy multinationals are decoupled to an extent, that most of apples revenue still comes from the west. Their favorable manufacturing terms are because of the dominance that the us *used* to have. And how value creation through interface and ecosystem are kind of ephemeral, and again largely dependent on being based in the dominant global economy.

Gotcha. And I'm on my PC now so I can read a bit more. I am definitely diversified -- 40% in international index funds at the moment, and not radically changing that anytime soon.

Even if America is entering a decline, it's a hard idea of how to play it investment-wise. I think the mega-multinationals like AAPL could literally survive the USA falling into civil war or nuclear hellscape (granted, world-wide markets would not be fans of such an event). But AAPL could just re-incorporate somewhere else, move their brain trust to Europe or Korea, their IP is protected by laws in developed countries, etc. So the bigs will still prosper as well as bigs in other countries if not better.

Small caps generally get filtered out by market weighting for indexes that also feature large caps. So, uh, I guess don't go all-in on IWM over the next 5 decades?

Dalio's musings seem more useful for avoiding pitfalls than anything else. That's fine, that's useful too. A lot of people would've like to avoid this March's pitfall.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Baddog posted:

Read the AMA from Ray Dalio today, pretty interesting. Skimmed his series on cycles, some very interesting graphs there. He pinpoints the time when the US started to decline to 10 years ago, that shitshow of a recovery.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/archetypical-cycle-internal-order-disorder-ray-dalio/

No earth shattering advice, but he recommends to get diversified internationally (and by category). Think it is becoming apparent to many that we are definitely on the decline, and this ridiculous pandemic response will only accelerate that. So slamming 80% into SPY and 20% into US bonds perhaps ain't gonna be so hot going forward. What country is better though.... not a lot of great choices, at least not ones with fair markets.

I dont see anywhere where he tells me what small cap calls to buy without researching. What a waste of my time!

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


He also has been pushing harder and harder for China as he expands his business there. Pretty much everything he writes these days is invest Chinese in some way.

Jack Daniels
Nov 14, 2002

MomJeans420 posted:

As expected TSLA doing ATM offering and it didn't even drop that much

lol drat that had a good rear end drop last time which saved my short back then. glad I'm not in now, :thanks: to folks ITT pointing out how crazy these guys are getting now on the pump.

its still coming though sometime soon

Baddog
May 12, 2001

ranbo das posted:

He also has been pushing harder and harder for China as he expands his business there. Pretty much everything he writes these days is invest Chinese in some way.

Hmmm. The difficulty there is the markets aren't protected in any way. How is he investing?

Jack Daniels
Nov 14, 2002

$X US STEEL still going all hog wild lol... don't trust shorting this thing since it loves going back to 40.00 zone historically/cyclically. so tempting, but think I gotta pass for now

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aejix
Sep 18, 2007

It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim
Pillbug

gay picnic defence posted:

A speculative 3D printing start up I hold shares in (3DA.ASX) just sold a printer to Boeing, went into a trading halt and announced a capital raising. The institutional offer was apparently oversubscribed by $12 million more than the $5 million they wanted to raise. I think I'll buy some more when the retail offer is available.

They are one of the world leaders in 3D printing with advanced alloys, and I feel probably has a bit more potential than that Desktop Metal SPAC.

I got curious and was considering gambling on this (and be very clear that I am not looking at this as anything remotely approaching a properly informed investor, I'm straight up gambling on trends/volatility with what would be considered play money for this thread, which I can afford to lose). Is the relatively small trade volume an issue for buying and then selling these later? Would be in the volume range of ~2400 shares. Was hoping to hop in around 0.6 and ride it up to 0.7-0.8. I figured Christopher Pyne landing a board job will guarantee at least some government kickbacks will go to them or at least open the sort of doors for them where merit/product becomes largely irrelevant, it's just jobs for the boys at that point.

Not looking at any long term position, just hoping to scrape a few bucks off some short term volatility

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