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Fauxtool posted:they didnt bend because they were too long, its not a problem a dremel can fix. Its a not dropping poo poo problem Oh okay. I meant if only the tips of the pins are bent, then maybe it would be possible to straighten the pins by cutting off the tips.
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The Gadfly posted:Oh okay. I meant if only the tips of the pins are bent, then maybe it would be possible to straighten the pins by cutting off the tips. I advise you to drop whatever line of thought is leading you here as there's nothing you can do with a dremel that won't irreparably damage a CPU. I also advise you not to worry about bent pins because if you don't drop the thing in the 5 or so seconds you'll be holding it it's a non-issue.
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The Gadfly posted:Oh okay. I meant if only the tips of the pins are bent, then maybe it would be possible to straighten the pins by cutting off the tips. Thank you, I am in your debt, sir 
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Tapedump posted:Ah, yes, you're right, thank you. I have been indeed having a bad week, now that I think about it. Didn't realize it until the cathartic roar of real, gut laughter hit me. Uh... well, I'm glad I could help
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Success! My tuf b550 arrived in the mail a few hours ago and I've got everything installed. Now all the temperatures are perfectly fine, and I even got a tiny bit more performance out of my 5800x, which is due to the different bios I suppose. I can now play Flight Simulator without worrying about the chipset running at the perfect temperature for brewing coffee. The x570 is packed away, ready to be returned to Amazon. And thus the chipset saga comes to a close. Now I just need to wait another couple months before I can buy a 3080 or 6800xt, whichever becomes available first.
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Dramicus posted:Success!  glad to hear it
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After significant diligence I have been able to secure an RTX 3070 and 5600x, i'm a bit stuck on which X570 motherboard to choose. https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-X57...ctronics&sr=1-3 https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-X57...ctronics&sr=1-4 https://www.amazon.com/MSI-X570-Gam...ctronics&sr=1-9 I think i'm generally leaning towards the Asus based on positive past experiences with their boards, they're all roughly the same price with the MSI being about 20$ cheaper. first new computer build since about 2013
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infraboy posted:After significant diligence I have been able to secure an RTX 3070 and 5600x, i'm a bit stuck on which X570 motherboard to choose. I have the non-wifi version of that Gigabyte board and been happy with it. One thing I would say is if you get the Gigabyte board to avoid their Windows software. It's mediocre at best, and crashy at worst, and has had security issues in the past. To my knowledge there is nothing in Gigabyte's Windows software that can't be accomplished from the BIOS, better 3rd party software, or Windows itself.
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infraboy posted:After significant diligence I have been able to secure an RTX 3070 and 5600x, i'm a bit stuck on which X570 motherboard to choose. I can say don't get the Asus Tuf if you have a large/long GPU. Installed the Tuf x570 on monday and spent the week trying to stop the chipset from hitting 94 degrees under load. I ended up ordering a tuf b550 and just finished installing that today. Temps are great on the b550. TLDR: The position of the chipset fan matters a lot. Other than that, the board itself is nice.
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infraboy posted:After significant diligence I have been able to secure an RTX 3070 and 5600x, i'm a bit stuck on which X570 motherboard to choose. Why X570 instead of B550?
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I’m getting chipset temps around the high 60s on my X570-I Strix, does that seem alright?
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ijyt posted:I’m getting chipset temps around the high 60s on my X570-I Strix, does that seem alright? Perfectly fine.
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I hear zero recs for Asrock for Ryzens. Huh.
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redeyes posted:I hear zero recs for Asrock for Ryzens. Huh. Their B550 boards (except the Taichi) run the second M.2 slot at half speed for some dumb reason and bury the fact in the small print of the board specs, so I'd never recommend one to anybody.
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sean10mm posted:Their B550 boards (except the Taichi) run the second M.2 slot at half speed for some dumb reason and bury the fact in the small print of the board specs, so I'd never recommend one to anybody. For anyone looking to do more research on amd chipset motherboards, this google sheet is useful and makes storage slots being at half speed very obvious: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview#gid=2112472504
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infraboy posted:After significant diligence I have been able to secure an RTX 3070 and 5600x, i'm a bit stuck on which X570 motherboard to choose. As others have said, I would consider a B550 board over an X570 unless you expect to be running two PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives and need the full bandwidth for both (unlikely). Also, regardless of which chipset you choose, make sure whichever board you get has BIOS flashback from USB as you will need to do a BIOS flash first thing to support a 5000-series CPU. You will want to do that before attempting to install any components I’ve been very happy with the Asus TUF Gaming Plus B550 board in my recent 5800x/3070 build. The BIOS flashback was a breeze
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redeyes posted:I hear zero recs for Asrock for Ryzens. Huh. My main complaint with asrock x570 is at $200-$270 I'd pretty much just buy gigabyte every time. At least at launch prices. Gigabyte used the same components down their entire stack and were pretty good value compared to other vendors. With pricing now, there are more options (lots of boards are down $20-$40 from launch), but I bought at launch so I haven't kept up with how prices shifted since then. x570 taichi was a board I wanted at launch but it wasn't stock, gigabyte's pro wifi was my other choice, and when I saw the gigabyte was $40 cheaper I would have went with it anyway given they have identical features for my use & gigabyte has better chipset fan placement & pro wifi's design is less gaudy. It's kind of interesting because there are 0 gigabyte boards I'd have bought for x370/x470/b350/b450. This was the first time I bought a gigabyte product as far as I know, I usually favor asrock on motherboard/msi on gpu, and I've been pretty happy with it. But I stalked motherboard spec sheets and made sure it met my needs in the best way possible. Bios is a tad confusing because things exist in 2-3 places, but my strategy there is to just use the AMD overclocking menu instead of the convenience menus. Khorne fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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I've been pretty happy with my x570 MSI tomahawk motherboard so far fwiw.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:I've been pretty happy with my x570 MSI tomahawk motherboard so far fwiw. Khorne fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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redeyes posted:I hear zero recs for Asrock for Ryzens. Huh. There's nothing wrong with them, they just normally aren't super price-competitive with some of the other more common board recommendations. Also their aRGB program is probably the worst of the bunch. ASRock are still the ones you go to for weird poo poo, though. Like I'm running their x570 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 board because it is literally the only mITX board out there with TB3 support. So far it's been perfectly fine (though it lacks FlashBack, which is annoying).
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redeyes posted:I hear zero recs for Asrock for Ryzens. Huh. denereal visease fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Looks like i'll be going with the Gigabyte motherboard, their BIOS can be flashed without CPU/ram since this will be a new build and I don't have an extra Ryzen around. AMD does the loaner CPU program but it seems a bit of a hassle. Looks like MSI can be flashed without CPU/ram as well infraboy fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Dec 6, 2020 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:I choose to believe that demand is so slammed right now that people bought the XT CPUs knowing what they were I'm seriously considering buying an XT because my 5900X order keeps getting delayed and delayed and I can't seem to get it on any 5600/5800 drops. Tired of looking at the rest of my parts just sitting on the table. Figure I can at least use it temporarily and then sell or return it.
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redeyes posted:I hear zero recs for Asrock for Ryzens. Huh. They are the ones you go to for weird poo poo that the other partners won't even consider, but as of this moment, their BIOSes are horrific.
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Something I've noticed to this day is that motherboard manufacturers still basically say "if it is not broken there is no need to update the BIOS," when everyone else is obsessed with up to date BIOS including the security side of the house. Just shitposting but I've always internalized it as most of them knowing their drivers and BIOS are total poo poo that barely work - which isnt a knock, I know the whole web is basically that.
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bus hustler posted:Something I've noticed to this day is that motherboard manufacturers still basically say "if it is not broken there is no need to update the BIOS," when everyone else is obsessed with up to date BIOS including the security side of the house. That, and also (until FlashBack started becoming A Thing) it's one of the few ways to--if it goes wrong--end up with a completely bricked system, so the risk:reward certainly recommends not fixing it if it ain't broke when you're the one paying for the resultant RMAs.
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GamersNexus had a bit about BIOS development when the news about AMD not supporting Zen3 on older boards broke. The basic summary was that it's incredibly complicated work, there's barely anyone who can or is willing to do it, and most of the board manufacturers BIOS team is one person.
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bus hustler posted:Something I've noticed to this day is that motherboard manufacturers still basically say "if it is not broken there is no need to update the BIOS," when everyone else is obsessed with up to date BIOS including the security side of the house. Windows (and presumably other modern operating systems) can and do load microcode security fixes into the CPU during the boot process, so even if BIOS isn't doing it directly the updated microcode is still applied to the system at runtime. So basically check the change log of your BIOS and if it doesn't address an issue or compatibility you are actually experiencing then just skip it, there is no particular risk of missing security fixes.
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AMD used to have a system where they'd release a socket like AM3 or FM2, and then later in the lifecycle, they'd do an AM3+ or an FM2+. If you were on the non-plus board, you'd need to get a new board to support the later CPUs, but the plus boards would support all of the older CPUs so you could still use it to tide you over. This was still somewhat better than Intel forcing new sockets on people every two generations. Of course, AMD wanted AM4 to be a bighuge value proposition because they were on the backfoot coming out of the Bulldozer, which is why they only stuck with a single socket no exceptions, but I feel like that did come at the cost of all this BIOS support hullaballoo. If they stuck with that old model, they could have done something like Bristol Ridge, Zen 1, and Zen 2 are on AM4, and then AM4+ will support all of those and Zen 2 and 3. That'd simplify things by quite a bit.
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I got the advice to look to this thread to fix my 3900x boost clocks. https://www.overclock.net/threads/edc-1-pbo-turbo-boost.1741052/page-6 Yeah those couple tiny settings.. JESUS! My proc hits 4600+ Mhz now on 6 cores. Temps are way way up now, more in line with what I was actually expecting out of a 100+w tdp processor. So now I'm maxing out around 75c all core load with a Noctua cooler. Did I mention that poo poo fixes single core loading now too? One or 2 cores will easily hit 4.6Ghz and sustain that for an entire workload. Im over the moon! Thanks goons! redeyes fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Dec 6, 2020 |
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5800x Available for purchase at MSRP. In stock Jan 10. https://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B0815XFSGK e: The window was maybe 4 minutes tops from the 3:29 notification. gary oldmans diary fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Jesus, what was the price?!
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redeyes posted:Jesus, what was the price?! MSRP, so $450.
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Finally got my 5800x from antONLINE and running in my x470 board. 4.85ghz boost out of the box  Anyone know of any tweaking guides for 5k's? I WANT MORE
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Prescription Combs posted:Finally got my 5800x from antONLINE and running in my x470 board. 4.85ghz boost out of the box Do Manual PBO with Curve Optimizer. search the last couple of posts i made for a little bit of example. You can add +200 MHZ and people are at 5.05 on 5800x. You can also try playing with the Scalar as well. Some have used 10x although tbf im not sure it actually does much. A nominal start would be -5 on the two best cores (ryzen master will put a star and a dot next to them), and -15 on all others. If that's stable, maybe see about doing -10 on 2 best cores and -20 on others. It's all still guesswork but seems like get your two best ones low but not the low (-5 to -10, maybe even -15 if super duper binned) your worst cores put at the lowest you can (15-25), and the intermediate cores somewhere in between (~ -15) https://www.overclock.net/threads/ryzen-9-5950x-curve-optimizer-to-5-1-ghz-pbo-and-overclocking.1774434/ a lto of good discussion about it in there, esp towards pg5 onward. and just check that temps are lookin' good and not getting thermal throttling by applying +200mhz in PBO. If it's looking good, shoot for +250. quote:I'll try to explain as easiest as possible. The basic idea is you're adding a lot more +clock offset with PBO, but that's going to generate more draw and higher thermals to run it. The better the chip is (binning, silicon lottery, etc), it can sustain higher clock frequency with less voltage which means better thermals and less thermal throttling (reminder Undervolting is a form of overclocking!) but they're designed with a little bit of margin of safety for stability-reasons and that not all are going to be created equal. To counter the increased thermals, you want to be more wise in where your voltage is getting applied to because it isn't good enough to do that itself. So you want to run overall less voltage on the best ones while still being stable, but you also don't want it to go to 'underperforming' cores either, so you want to give even less voltage to the worst cores keeping heat down so it doesn't throttle the best cores. The overall combination of +200mhz (or more) base clock boosts multi-core performance, but you also get better single-threaded performance by optimizing the two best cores as well and allowing it to run that without throttling downwards. Interestingly the very last post in that thread someone found they had better performance on the 5800x by giving even less voltage to the best cores and only a little less on the worst cores, which actually is interesting that that was the case, and if you have time then definitely things to play around with and run CB testing on and see what works best but stable for you. Maybe try both options or some combination of such. It's all relatively new poo poo but you can get some more gainz in either case you slice it. I'll probably play around with it this weekend some more myself. Xaris fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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For people who were having Gigabyte BIOS issues, it looks like the just released F11n. IIRC the highest version before (which they pulled) was F11k, which has been OK for me but gave a bunch of other people trouble.
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sean10mm posted:For people who were having Gigabyte BIOS issues, it looks like the just released F11n. I'm not sure for which boards you're referring. I just checked and the most recent beta BIOS for my x570 is F31o.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I'm not sure for which boards you're referring. I just checked and the most recent beta BIOS for my x570 is F31o. B550
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