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Mebh posted:After he determined it was definitely a fault and we were methodically checking the stickers one by one the very first one we checked was the oven and he went "aha that's come right off" as he checked it. He's pulled it out and neutral just fell out. He rechecked the board, abs there was still a fault but he was still cheerful, I said oh gently caress there's one behind all the cupboards, and he had this look of "of course it's going to be behind that one" but he said "not to worry, we'll check all the others first before we try to move that" so around we went. Are you in a new build? Probably from around the year 2000 or so? Which poo poo I guess makes it a 20 year old house at this point and not a new build at all. Because that is 100% 'get anyone who has a screwdriver to put the sockets in quick' from before it was mandated a proper sparky had to do everything. I think that law came in around 2005 about notifiable work under section P???, but i'm probably wrong on that one. Before then any monkey could do it and actually connecting sockets properly is trickier than some thing, hence why they always come loose.
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serious gaylord posted:Are you in a new build? Probably from around the year 2000 or so? Which poo poo I guess makes it a 20 year old house at this point and not a new build at all. Part P. Its still pretty common on big sites to see a big pool of 'electrical labourers' banging in ring finals with a spark signing off on it all. Theres no way they're checking the terminations on every socket and so you end up with stuff like this. In theory a crap jnstall should be picked up during the testing & inspection for commissioning, but even that is pretty flexible with what can be passed as acceptable, for example Global IR at the main DB needs to be as high as possible, which is ideally overlimit (<999MΩ, or however high your test instrument goes) but anything above 1MΩ can theoretically pass.
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serious gaylord posted:Are you in a new build? Probably from around the year 2000 or so? Which poo poo I guess makes it a 20 year old house at this point and not a new build at all. Yeeeeeep. That sounds about right house was built 18 years ago. At least the pcb did its job...
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kecske posted:Part P. Its still pretty common on big sites to see a big pool of 'electrical labourers' banging in ring finals with a spark signing off on it all. Theres no way they're checking the terminations on every socket and so you end up with stuff like this. In theory a crap jnstall should be picked up during the testing & inspection for commissioning, but even that is pretty flexible with what can be passed as acceptable, for example Global IR at the main DB needs to be as high as possible, which is ideally overlimit (<999MΩ, or however high your test instrument goes) but anything above 1MΩ can theoretically pass. Yeah I'd consider myself fairly knowledgeable and able to do the majority of work but I still get my friend whos qualified in to do anything involving the board and to sign off on the work I did in the lounge, even though technically it was not notifiable since it was not a new circuit and was simply moving things around. A fun experiment is to get 10 sparkies in a room and get them all to agree on what is and isn't notifiable work. The legislation is so full of loopholes and 'common sense' clauses that its quite funny really.
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Also UK wiring seems to be specifically set up so that people can do poo poo that will work and even fool a basic socket tester but is still very dangerous.
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So it seems UK wiring regs::US building regs.
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the best part is that BS7671 isn't a statutory document in its own right, but is always used as the go-to reference to prosecute you if you gently caress up (or likewise defend yourself)
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kecske posted:the best part is that BS7671 isn't a statutory document in its own right, but is always used as the go-to reference to prosecute you if you gently caress up (or likewise defend yourself) I believe if all the work was done before BS7671 you're golden, however any work afterwards has to be up to that standard. Technically so much as changing a plug socket means you should be following BS7671 but good luck getting the average DIY'er to follow that. Then the argument would be, if you're following BS7671 you'd logically determine the rest of the wiring isn't up to standard and thus wouldn't pass, so it would need to be re-wired. But again, i'm just a bit of an idiot who has probably got this all wrong.
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BS7671 is just the British Standard code number for the Wiring Regs. it was first published in 1882, with new editions coming every so often and amendments more frequently in between (we're up to 18th ed. now). You're right in that things only need to meet and be maintained to the standard of the edition they were installed under
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kecske posted:it was first published in 1882, with new editions coming every so often and amendments more frequently in between (we're up to 18th ed. now). You're right in that things only need to meet and be maintained to the standard of the edition they were installed under With 18th edition mandating that the consumer unit now needs to be metal and cant be plastic, would anyone installing a new circuit on an existing board (IE new Oven circuit etc) have to replace the consumer unit? As the new wiring would be to 18th edition, but the consumer unit would fall under 17th?
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a plastic CU is fine and is still compliant as long as its in good condition and you have usable spare ways to add circuits to. e: as an aside, all the trades suffer from a lot of misinformation that spreads around in the form of 'i had a mate who said XYZ'. Its very frustrating watching organisations like the NICEIC spend their time chasing people for not paying their license fees and do nothing to address the spread of pound note sparks telling old Mrs Goggins that her cupboard CU needs replacing entirely because its plastic. kecske fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Speaking of which, plastic pound notes should have been a thing when we discovered all the fake pound coins in the middle of poly note introduction. Bet we could have stopped brexit if we'd done blue passports and new pound notes in 2016.
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I don't think we have a reward scheme - occasionally you get amazon vouchers. I got £25 (and about a weeks' worth of overtime for saving our exchange server last year). This year for Christmas IT voted that we each get to expense £15 for a personal Christmas meal, and £5 will go to charity (there'll be a raffle and the winner will decide the charity. If it's me I'm going split it between The Frog Life trust and a local charity teaching farm/food bank)
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Regarde Aduck posted:I am so loving bored of the new cold war already. And there's like 50 more years of it. gently caress. There's only 50 more years of it if it doesn't get exciting.
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kecske posted:a plastic CU is fine and is still compliant as long as its in good condition and you have usable spare ways to add circuits to. Cheers, and this is what I mean by 'I don't really know what i'm talking about'. I can read the regulations as to what is notifiable and what isn't but I still don't really know for sure. I know enough to be dangerous according to the wife.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:no, December No, Savage.
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Dec 7, 2020 23:25
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At the very least we can agree that we will find out Within Six Months.
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It feels like it has been the last day of Brexit negotiations for one and a half years now.
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cant cook creole bream posted:It feels like it has been the last day of Brexit negotiations for one and a half years now. Now I'm imagining a Black Mirror where the main character (the UK's Chief Brexit Negotiator) is stuck in a time loop where they repeat the last day of negotiations infinitely and can only escape if they finalise a deal 
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There's this brexit shaped void in my mind that my thoughts slide around
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Convex posted:Now I'm imagining a Black Mirror where the main character (the UK's Chief Brexit Negotiator) is stuck in a time loop where they repeat the last day of negotiations infinitely and can only escape if they finalise a deal "How many years have I been stuck in this loop?! Oh, it's still the first iteration.  "It's a psychological horror thriller where the whole movie focusses on the final day and maybe the upcoming days. In the final moments before the credits roll, the MC notices the loop. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Convex posted:Now I'm imagining a Black Mirror where the main character (the UK's Chief Brexit Negotiator) is stuck in a time loop where they repeat the last day of negotiations infinitely and can only escape if they finalise a deal Groundhog Day is more apt, surely.
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Guavanaut posted:Speaking of which, plastic pound notes should have been a thing when we discovered all the fake pound coins in the middle of poly note introduction. We should have just chosen a better alloy for the coin so pot metal can't fool the majority of users (and automated coin counters). Also refiguring everything from vending machines to till drawers to go back to pound notes (and also printing all those notes, bearing in mind they don't last anywhere near as long as coins) would definitely have cost the economy more than even the most hysterical figures for the amount of forged old pound coins.
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therattle posted:Groundhog Day is more apt, surely. Groundhog Day has growth and redemption, Brexit not so much.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also refiguring everything from vending machines to till drawers to go back to pound notes (and also printing all those notes, bearing in mind they don't last anywhere near as long as coins) would definitely have cost the economy more than even the most hysterical figures for the amount of forged old pound coins.
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Since this thread is knowledgeable about everything, I was wondering where's a good place to look for reasonably-current scientific literature on hearing rehabilitation following cochlear implant surgery? It looks like mine is going ahead and I want to know my poo poo.
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Guavanaut posted:I thought the big selling point of poly notes is that they do last long enough to be worth what they're made of, and anyone who wasn't the most identitarian mech-eng was already itching for a reason to make vending and ticket machines scan notes? pretty much. still not as long lasting as coins but very durable. canada switched over some years ago.
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all vending machines are already reconfigured to use contactless card payments. coins vs notes is moot.
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Cerv posted:all vending machines are already reconfigured to use contactless card payments. I wish my local laundrette was! It's taking me months to get together enough £1 coins (10) and 50p (10) pieces to be able to take my duvet down to their large capacity machine for its annual - and somewhat overdue - cook in the washer. (And obviously I need more coins of each type than strictly necessary because any fule kno quite often machines reject coins for reasons known only to themselves). (Laundrette has been either closed or unstaffed since March - it's the only laundrette in town and it's a family run business so they are being VERY cautious of covid.) It would be cheaper just to buy a new duvet.
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The thing I've learned about whiskey (from having been given a glass a few times by friends who are whiskey-heads) is that I only like the really expensive stuff, at the £100+ per bottle end. Therefore I do not drink whiskey, because gently caress paying that much. Rum is cheaper and nicer. Cognac is nice, but from my very limited experience of trying cognacs, I think that the slightly cheaper stuff is actually nicer than the really long-aged stuff.
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I forgot to take any change with me when I drove into town a couple of weeks ago. I'd been told "Oh, it's okay, you can pay by card." You can not, in fact, pay by card. You can register with some shitbox website and pay via an app, but despite there being readers on the machines that are otherwise the only use for coins these days, there's nothing doing.
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Cerv posted:all vending machines are already reconfigured to use contactless card payments. I know it's just the odd can of pop/pack of crisps/sweets, but it was loving inhumane imo
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https://twitter.com/MRSM1TH888/status/1336213046151286784
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Stop talking about whiskey and start talking about Camrath’s chilli chocolate fudge. I can’t feel my lips.
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Is this a syringe which I see before me, its needle toward my arm?
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Once more into the arm dear friends, once more, Or clog the morgues up with our English dead.
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To cough, perchance to sneeze – there's the rub, for in this covid death what dreams may come (of brexit)
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"Is this a dagger I see before me?" "I mean it's sharp, I'll give you that"
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Leave, Labour’s Lost
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"Lay on Nurse Macduff. And damned be he that first cries "Vax! Enough!"
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