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McNally posted:States Rights died November 30, 1864. Don't kill the state right to weed 
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Wasabi the J posted:Don't kill the state right to weed Civil war 2 turns out to not be over race or religion, but over weed
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Dec 8, 2020 18:56
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RFC2324 posted:Civil war 2 turns out to not be over race or religion, but over weed Let's burn this mother down. In other current news, looks like Javanka are planning their exit and staying close to daddy and Mar-A-Lago: https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/529194-ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-buying-30m-lot-in-florida?amp Hahaha the town they are buying in is literally called Billionaires Bunker with armed boat patrols and poo poo. This country is crying out for a proletariat revolution.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:16
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stackofflapjacks posted:Let's burn this mother down. They are hoping for an exit plan when New York comes a callin'.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:17
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Platystemon posted:Call Johnson Space Center because my sides are in orbit. Yeah. This is 'notice me senpai' action by Paxton and nothing more
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Dec 8, 2020 19:22
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CommieGIR posted:They are hoping for an exit plan when New York comes a callin'. And then Obama will call New York and they will just release a statement saying they’re not pressing charges. I’m convinced we have a better chance of a second Trump term than of anyone facing state charges in NY. Why not charge Jared and Ivanka now? They aren’t the president, and trump is a lame duck with just a few weeks left in office.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:23
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Woofer posted:I’m convinced we have a better chance of a second Trump term than of anyone facing state charges in NY. Why not charge Jared and Ivanka now? They aren’t the president, and trump is a lame duck with just a few weeks left in office. For the exact reason that: They are not president, they openly committed fraud and corruption, and Jared is likely wanted for massive tax fraud for how he managed Trump properties in New York. Ivanka is likely going to face some sort of legal challenge from her writing off her taxes as a "contractor" while she was actively employed as a Trump Org employee. Trump and Co jilted New York out of millions in taxes, the bill is coming due, and New York and Deutsche Bank want their money.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:26
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CommieGIR posted:For the exact reason that: They are not president, they openly committed fraud and corruption, and Jared is likely wanted for massive tax fraud for how he managed Trump properties in New York. Ivanka is likely going to face some sort of legal challenge from her writing off her taxes as a "contractor" while she was actively employed as a Trump Org employee. what are they waiting for?
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Dec 8, 2020 19:27
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Woofer posted:what are they waiting for? Good question, I don't know. But we already know New York is investigating Trump Org, they've taken statements, and Ivanka is openly worried about her tax fraud and isn't really hiding it. Trump himself will never face any real legal repercussions outside of maybe losing a large chunk of his empire to debt proceedings, but I suspect Trump kids and others won't be as lucky.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:29
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Seems more plausible that nothing will happen rather than them just waiting in the wings for the right time to take them down. The fundamentally broken justice system isn’t going to fix itself to get into a legal battle with a former president’s kids. E: ESPECIALLY for financial crimes that every single rich person in this country is probably guilty of.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:34
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Woofer posted:Seems more plausible that nothing will happen rather than them just waiting in the wings for the right time to take them down. The fundamentally broken justice system isn’t going to fix itself to get into a legal battle with a former president’s kids. Yes, but our fundamentally broken justice system loves money, and tax fraud is full of money.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:35
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It'd be hysterical and 100% on Brand for Trump to roll on his kids as soon as he realizes he can get ahead slightly.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:36
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bulletsponge13 posted:It'd be hysterical and 100% on Brand for Trump to roll on his kids as soon as he realizes he can get ahead slightly. He totally will, if he's told he can save any amount of his empire/name brand he'll do it in a heartbeat.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:39
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, but our fundamentally broken justice system loves money, and tax fraud is full of money. NY has more billionaires than anywhere on earth and they don’t seem to care about the tax fraud that all of them are probably committing.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:40
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Woofer posted:NY has more billionaires than anywhere on earth and they don’t seem to care about the tax fraud that all of them are probably committing. Because most Billionaires don't say the quiet part out loud nor have their tax fraud openly leaked. Plenty of Tax Fraud in New York, but Trump Org is probably ones of the stupidest of the frauds.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:44
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CommieGIR posted:He totally will, if he's told he can save any amount of his empire/name brand he'll do it in a heartbeat. Wait till he realizes he can blame them for everything. "I was busy being THE BEST PRESIDENT, anything illegal was done by those idiots." Junior and Eric still haven't realized that Jared is his favorite son.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:44
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CommieGIR posted:Because most Billionaires don't say the quiet part out loud nor have their tax fraud openly leaked. Deutsche Bank is also after them, probably due to the PR. Anyone who takes down the Trumps, or does significant damage to them, is going to be famous at least for a little while. Have to imagine that's a part of it.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:47
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Cythereal posted:Deutsche Bank is also after them, probably due to the PR. Anyone who takes down the Trumps, or does significant damage to them, is going to be famous at least for a little while. Have to imagine that's a part of it. I think its largely a race to see who can get their hands on the goods first, Deutsche wants Trump property to pay off the loans that they know Trump can't liquidate, and New York wants them for the back taxes and fraud.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:50
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bulletsponge13 posted:It'd be hysterical and 100% on Brand for Trump to roll on his kids as soon as he realizes he can get ahead slightly. I suspect his plan is to say "If you really loved me, you'd plead guilty to all of it to protect me" to each of his kids.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:50
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CommieGIR posted:New York wants them for the back taxes and fraud. a fraud guarantee, even.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:51
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Cythereal posted:Deutsche Bank is also after them, probably due to the PR. Anyone who takes down the Trumps, or does significant damage to them, is going to be famous at least for a little while. Have to imagine that's a part of it. Douchey Bank relies heavily on being the The Bank of Choice for Evil Motherfuckers so I don't have a lot of faith in their "investigation" being any more than lip service for fear of scaring their clientele.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:52
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The CIA doesn't want that Pandora's box opened.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:54
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Woofer posted:what are they waiting for? All three defendants to be out of Federal employment.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Douchey Bank relies heavily on being the The Bank of Choice for Evil Motherfuckers so I don't have a lot of faith in their "investigation" being any more than lip service for fear of scaring their clientele. Yeah, I think that's what he means: Trump is ruining their image as Evil Lender Inc, so they are unlikely to sit back and let him continue. And the easiest way to do that is to seize his assets to pay off the debt.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:54
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BUG JUG posted:All three defendants to be out of Federal employment. Specifically for the resources of the DoJ and presidency to stop being used to run interference against their investigations.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:55
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https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1336248726122242049
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Dec 8, 2020 19:56
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Woofer posted:NY has more billionaires than anywhere on earth and they don’t seem to care about the tax fraud that all of them are probably committing. Most billionaires have access to people that can keep them in the grey area without really committing outright fraud. Only the really dumb, desperate, or greedy are pushing into that area. Its just easier to have someone write up generous tax breaks or handouts to collect and do everything on the up and up.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:58
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lightpole posted:Most billionaires have access to people that can keep them in the grey area without really committing outright fraud. Only the really dumb, desperate, or greedy are pushing into that area. Its just easier to have someone write up generous tax breaks or handouts to collect and do everything on the up and up. Yeah, this is the key point. Billionaires and politicians are both well known for good reason for being corrupt and using their money as a bludgeon. However most of them are also rich enough and smart enough to have the bare minimum of legal overhead to keep their tax evasion and graft within the letter of the law. Contrary to House of Cards there isn't a shadowy cabal doing actual hard crime on the regular. Its cheap and easy to shuffle legal money through offshore holdings to evade taxes it just takes a few % off the top. Trump meanwhile just does all the financial crime in the open because he's too broke and stupid to just pay the way to keep it legal. Plus all the real crime ontop of the regular stuff.
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Dec 8, 2020 20:30
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M_Gargantua posted:Yeah, this is the key point. Billionaires and politicians are both well known for good reason for being corrupt and using their money as a bludgeon. However most of them are also rich enough and smart enough to have the bare minimum of legal overhead to keep their tax evasion and graft within the letter of the law. Contrary to House of Cards there isn't a shadowy cabal doing actual hard crime on the regular. Its cheap and easy to shuffle legal money through offshore holdings to evade taxes it just takes a few % off the top. Trump meanwhile just does all the financial crime in the open because he's too broke and stupid to just pay the way to keep it legal. Its worth noting that he used to have some decent financial people: He chased them off in the 80s and 90s because he did what he always does and tries to pull the rug out from under them when payment comes due. Cohen was probably his last bag man who he used as a legal and financial bludgeon, and even Cohen got burned. I mean, Cohen's already explained how they worked: Refuse to pay the bill and tie people up in court while sending threatening legal letters to drag them out until they either give up and take what Trump offers or simply forgot and assumed it was a lost cause. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Dec 8, 2020 20:32
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Wasabi the J posted:Don't kill the state right to weed OH MY GOD THATS JOHN FETTERMANS MUSIC (its in the WaPo, and Im over my limit, but linking the Twitter post regardless. He wrote an OpEd about federal legalization) https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1336343193814585345?s=20
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Dec 8, 2020 20:50
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That article: https://archive.is/2NF3e
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Dec 8, 2020 21:00
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That's a neat trick. Will have to remember that.
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Also really good for saving copies of tweets, news posts, etc. that tend to get deleted or edited. It's a handy tool!quote:Yet one group doesn’t seem to be keeping up: the Democratic Party. Its platform on weed is now officially and politically to the right of the state of South Dakota. I’m in the camp that says that if you’re to the right of South Dakota on anything, you should use that as a moment to recalibrate your core values. 
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Dec 8, 2020 21:07
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Speaking of which, I heard locally that he's planning on running for Governor when Wolf's term is up, not Toomey's seat. Not sure how I feel about that. e: I think I want him to run for Senator, and he might think about it harder if the Georgia runoffs go the way that the D's want it to.
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Dec 8, 2020 22:55
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Trump gave someone the Medal of Freedom yesterday. He then got bored and wandered out of the room in the middle of the ceremony. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/watch-trump-walk-out-of-medal-of-freedom-ceremony.html
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Dec 8, 2020 23:00
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McNally posted:Trump gave someone the Medal of Freedom yesterday. "Here, here's your dumb medal, I'm gonna go pout now." For what it's worth, the ABC affiliate in Columbus, OH (Sinclair-owned) broke this news by saying this ends it.
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Dec 8, 2020 23:15
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CBJSprague24 posted:For what it's worth, the ABC affiliate in Columbus, OH (Sinclair-owned) broke this news by saying this ends it. I hope so, but I doubt the GOP propaganda machine is going to stop it's messaging anytime soon. I'm uncertain if there will develop a schism or simply a divided party because a multitude of networks and messaging. Hopefully that would be helpful to moving forwards in this country, but we'll see. there's a part of me that still expects isolated terror events from domestic terror groups.
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https://twitter.com/attackerman/status/1336400902098444291 A bit more good news quote:In response, Houlahan crafted an NDAA amendment that at first barred the use of unidentified security officials during invocation of the Insurrection Act of 1807. That act, which Trump threatened to exercise, empowers presidents to use the military in extraordinary domestic circumstances. The Pentagon leadership, after first wavering, rejected an active-duty role in suppressing the protests.
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