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IOSM is coming form inside the thread again. Edit: lovely snipe, but also an evergreen sentiment.
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The person giving it a 9/10 is a different person than the one who had seizures.
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Dec 8, 2020 20:24
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christmas boots posted:The person giving it a 9/10 is a different person than the one who had seizures. I feel like "it tried to kill me" versus "it tried to kill my coworker" isn't the most meaningful of distinctions for rating a product
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Dec 8, 2020 20:31
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The movie Free Willy of all things was notorious for triggering seizures, many things are - not that you shouldn’t have the option of turning these things off in games and they certainly don’t belong on TV, but if you have serious epilepsy the list is loooong.
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Dec 8, 2020 20:32
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learnincurve posted:The movie Free Willy of all things was notorious for triggering seizures, many things are - not that you shouldn’t have the option of turning these things off in games and they certainly don’t belong on TV, but if you have serious epilepsy the list is loooong. Yea that sucks.
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learnincurve posted:The movie Free Willy of all things was notorious for triggering seizures, many things are - not that you shouldn’t have the option of turning these things off in games and they certainly don’t belong on TV, but if you have serious epilepsy the list is loooong. On the other hand it sounds like the effect in Cyberpunk is extremely close to/possibly modeled off a device designed with the sole purpose of inducing seizures which probably isn't the case with Free Willy.
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The Moon Monster posted:On the other hand it sounds like the effect in Cyberpunk is extremely close to/possibly modeled off a device designed with the sole purpose of inducing seizures which probably isn't the case with Free Willy. Yeah, it seems like they did precisely enough research to get to the part where they had a model for a cool medical-looking helmet and then stopped there, right before the bit where the article explained what it was used for. It's not the players that matter for this poo poo, by the way- it's the loving streamers and, more importantly, stream viewers who tune in after the big fat epilepsy warnings. And for folks who will respond to this with some variant of "gently caress stream viewers," maybe reserve that sentiment for a situation where they're not fourteen-year-olds actually risking death because they tuned in to watch their favourite shouty man play a video game.
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learnincurve posted:Should be noted that this woman decided to ignore the fact that there would be a epilepsy warning test done by several agencies and charities in a safe and risk assessment friendly way, but went ahead and decided to give herself repeated fits while making a list.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:05
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To be Cyberpunk won’t be ready for release for about two more months
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... If you don’t think epileptics are capable of, and do, check the epilepsy warnings before playing or watching anything then just wow. It’s something that becomes the default, and most epileptics have friends or family that will check for them if they are unsure so they don’t have to risk it. Especially true in that he UK where it gets complicated by meds and driving licences.
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It's more that I fully believe one can easily end up at an accidental epilepsy trigger just because many things that non-epileptics don't think about can trigger epilepsy. However, when the thing that triggers epilepsy in your game is almost identical to a medical procedure designed to trigger epileptic fits in a controlled diagnostic capacity, you have somehow hit the loving bullseye of accidental epilepsy triggers, and it sounds like it might trigger fits in people who might not be aware they're epileptic because it's so designed to trigger the brain into an epileptic fit.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:33
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Somfin posted:Yeah, it seems like they did precisely enough research to get to the part where they had a model for a cool medical-looking helmet and then stopped there, right before the bit where the article explained what it was used for. The "helmet" bit in photic stimulation is actually just an EEG, it's scanning the brain for what it's doing while the lights flash. The flashing light bit in photic stimulation is just basically a flashlight. Neither of them is anything like that braindance footage we got a few months ago, that was more like a VR headset. Also: https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1336389181988343812
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Does the game need the epileptic trigger, I guess would be the suggestion?
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OwlFancier posted:Does the game need the epileptic trigger, I guess would be the suggestion? Remotely triggering seizures in people via computers is pretty cyberpunk.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:38
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I suspect people are playing the game to be the cyber punk not to get cyber punked.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:40
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Dec 8, 2020 21:48
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"My fabrege artistic vision!" I scream as I throw myself on the keyboard of the lead dev to prevent him from putting in a "fade through black instead" option. Also the main reason people are noticing this is that this was apparently worth death-marching their developers for. Somfin has a new favorite as of 21:54 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Dec 8, 2020 21:52
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Keanu Reeves killing people with lights to the head instead of bullets.
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Push El Burrito posted:Keanu Reeves killing people with lights to the head instead of bullets. Whoa Ceci n'est pass une one-word post.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:58
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I mean I find it troublesome enough when a game relies on colour to convey important information and that doesn't even try to kill me IRL. We should have gamer class consciousness imo. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 22:04 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Dec 8, 2020 22:02
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https://twitter.com/JasonBouchard88/status/1336340877929820160 https://twitter.com/JarJarFan69/status/1336345187300229120 ♪ This is not where you belong. ♪
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I find it troublesome enough when a game relies on colour to convey important information and that doesn't even try to kill me IRL. Have I got a failed video game system for you! It's even red so you know the proletarian vanguard will love it. 
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It's a loving shame modern video games aren't chiefly software that can be very easily edited ("patched," one might call it) post-release, to add content, remove glitches, and reduce the amount of content that is literally capable of killing people. Perhaps, we will develop some kind of interconnective network that allows us to share software across distant hubs of information. Perhaps even a measure that can prevent developing such products, like an easily available database which contains descriptions of what kind of visual stimuli could be fatal. But where do you think we are? The cyberpunk future of the year 2077? We haven't even made a machine that can kill people using visual stimuli unless they already have a condition which renders them vulnerable, give it time!
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Dec 8, 2020 22:28
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Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/JasonBouchard88/status/1336340877929820160 Oh hey the lead singer still has his personal account, and he is going to take this on. https://twitter.com/ChristaylorBrwn/status/1336368462541819905
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Bugsy posted:Oh hey the lead singer still has his personal account, and he is going to take this on. HEADSTRONG I'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON
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Is he the same guy who threatened to sue someone for calling him a Nazi, even though he was totally a Nazi?
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Midnight Voyager posted:The "helmet" bit in photic stimulation is actually just an EEG, it's scanning the brain for what it's doing while the lights flash. The flashing light bit in photic stimulation is just basically a flashlight. Neither of them is anything like that braindance footage we got a few months ago, that was more like a VR headset. ah yes the eula, definitely a thing people read any word of
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Dec 8, 2020 23:19
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christmas boots posted:The person giving it a 9/10 is a different person than the one who had seizures. If i were a magazine editor I would probably ask the writer of the review to possibly revise their score when the game tried to kill one of their coworkers. If they refused I might consider not running the review at all.
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Dec 8, 2020 23:44
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Trapt’s terrible Twitter was the single thing keeping them relevant in TYOOL 2020. Ha!
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Skwirl posted:If i were a magazine editor I would probably ask the writer of the review to possibly revise their score when the game tried to kill one of their coworkers. If they refused I might consider not running the review at all. Allegedly!
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Skwirl posted:If i were a magazine editor I would probably ask the writer of the review to possibly revise their score when the game tried to kill one of their coworkers. If they refused I might consider not running the review at all. A good take on ethics in video game journalism.
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mds2 posted:Trapt’s terrible Twitter was the single thing keeping them relevant in TYOOL 2020. Ha! It's also why they didn't even last a week between moving to parler and tweeting again.
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Skwirl posted:If i were a magazine editor I would probably ask the writer of the review to possibly revise their score when the game tried to kill one of their coworkers. If they refused I might consider not running the review at all. Revise it how, though? Taking off a point or two seems really insensitive. You could give it a big fat 0 but that's basically just omitting a score, not revising it.
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How is that insensitive? Hurting the devs feelings for pointing out their failures?
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CharlestheHammer posted:How is that insensitive? Hurting the devs feelings for pointing out their failures? "still an 8/10 experience"
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Defective, dangerous products deserve lower review scores, and every defect discovered should lower the score further.
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Bugsy posted:Oh hey the lead singer still has his personal account, and he is going to take this on. Really gunning for the "worst musician called Chris Brown" award, isn't he?
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