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Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019
My monkey's paw prediction is that this is the console release announcement.

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Kaysette
Jan 5, 2009

~*Boston makes me*~
~*feel good*~

:wrongcity:
Nothing will surprise me after the journalist called the game racist because he picked all the racist options.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Kaysette posted:

Nothing will surprise me after the journalist called the game racist because he picked all the racist options.

So, there's a test that scientists will sometimes use to detect if an animal is self-aware; whether it knows that it exists. The test is quite simple: paint a red dot on the animal's head and see if it responds to the red dot if placed in front of a mirror. If it reacts to the dot on its own head, it recognizes that the image in the mirror is a reflection of itself and therefore must be aware that it exists. Many primates pass this test, as well as elephants.

This motherfucker failed the self-awareness test.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Pattonesque posted:

So they looked at the fascist thought cabinet choice that literally hurt your morale every time you said something right wing and thought it was pro-fascism?

I'm pretty sure that saying that saying that they actively thought about anything is a step too much.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Kaysette posted:

Nothing will surprise me after the journalist called the game racist because he picked all the racist options.

The fascist dialogue choices make you sound like such a loving dolt too, I don't know anyone play that way and not think the game is laughing at Harry for saying them

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


I felt like a loving dolt when I told Evrart 'and all the workers look like me' and he's like, gently caress it fine Harry, whites only. I thought I was taking a stand for worker solidarity. Then the game rubbed it in my face by triggering the traditionalist bit.

e: Are some of / how many of the bullet holes in the walls etc that Kim dismisses as from the revolution, from the old guy?

Chubby Henparty fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Dec 9, 2020

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Foreign capital, the bad kind of capital

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Cpt_Obvious posted:

So, there's a test that scientists will sometimes use to detect if an animal is self-aware; whether it knows that it exists. The test is quite simple: paint a red dot on the animal's head and see if it responds to the red dot if placed in front of a mirror. If it reacts to the dot on its own head, it recognizes that the image in the mirror is a reflection of itself and therefore must be aware that it exists. Many primates pass this test, as well as elephants.

This motherfucker failed the self-awareness test.

Ah, to be dumber than a magpie...

Pulcinella
Feb 15, 2019

Sankara posted:

Perhaps they have finished translating their book!

uber_stoat posted:

i'm up for any kind of Disco action. i do want the book to hurry up and publish tho.

Oh man I hope they announce the translation of the book at The Game Awards ™. One, because I want to read it. Two, because the reaction of a bunch of gamers being told to read a book will be hilarious.

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

Pattonesque posted:

So they looked at the fascist thought cabinet choice that literally hurt your morale every time you said something right wing and thought it was pro-fascism?

if i'm not mistaken it was some American leftist (austin walker maybe? i'm not sure but i remember his take being surprisingly dumb. could also have been patrick klepek, the trust fund kid whose leftist credentials are about as fake as astroturf) who hated it cause DE didn't present communism as perfect and without fault. even though DE is probably the most effective and meaningful left-wing game ever, that still wasn't enough. No, it had to present socialism as the completely right path, even though DE is meaningful precisely because it is filled with self-reflection and self-critique.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
The Gaston sandwich rhetoric check but instead of fascist or communist things to say it is fascist or communist games to play (or gently caress off, as Volition desperately urges)

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


oscarthewilde posted:

if i'm not mistaken it was some American leftist (austin walker maybe? i'm not sure but i remember his take being surprisingly dumb. could also have been patrick klepek, the trust fund kid whose leftist credentials are about as fake as astroturf) who hated it cause DE didn't present communism as perfect and without fault. even though DE is probably the most effective and meaningful left-wing game ever, that still wasn't enough. No, it had to present socialism as the completely right path, even though DE is meaningful precisely because it is filled with self-reflection and self-critique.

They both recorded a podcast about how much they liked the game. This is the dumbest loving conversation.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


If you don't like the video game I like, you're a fake leftist

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Arist posted:

They both recorded a podcast about how much they liked the game. This is the dumbest loving conversation.

Arist posted:

If you don't like the video game I like, you're a fake leftist

Don't break your fingers defending your internet heroes so hard.

They literally said that they were unsure about which journalist it was.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Jack Trades posted:

Don't break your fingers defending your internet heroes so hard.

They literally said that they were unsure about which journalist it was.

Why does that matter? It doesn't affect my point at all.

People are allowed to criticize this game even if you think they're wrong, and being a big baby about how they're all trust fund kids or whatever because they didn't effusively praise it to your exacting standards makes you look like a child. Especially when they actually did.

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020
I found DE to be incredibly well written but thick on navel-gazing and not especially 'fun' for a 'video game'. Though if it makes midlife nerds question their life choices and be better people, I'd even say its art in a way that almost no other video game is.

Anyway that's my pisswarm take, thanks for readin

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




:chord:

Arist posted:

Why does that matter? It doesn't affect my point at all.

People are allowed to criticize this game even if you think they're wrong, and being a big baby about how they're all trust fund kids or whatever because they didn't effusively praise it to your exacting standards makes you look like a child. Especially when they actually did.

Boring Cop detected

Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019
Considering the quality of the vast majority of video game writing, I don't blame anyone who was trepidatious about a game that offered the oppotunity to be an in-game fascist.

Hell, a lot of the games edgiest content is 100% front loaded; the two most obvious objectives on day 1, investigate the body and visit the docks, ensure that you'll probably encounter Measurehead, Cuno, and Racist Lorry Driver as part of your first impressions with the game. Cuno calls HDB a f*g a bunch of times in his opening convo whereas I can't think of any non-fictional slurs being used in the rest of game. I can think of some reasons cynical and otherwise why the game starts on a fairly agressive note, controversy produces buzz and having an intially harsh facade allows for the moments of genuine beauty to be all the more powerful, but it's not hard to see why people might get turned off on it especially when it stands near a tradition of South Park style myopia.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It was a drat near mainstream games journalism idea not that long ago that presenting something as an option to do at all must clearly be condoning it, though that did seem to get laughed out of the room eventually.

I think there was at least one case of a journalist or two dismissing DE as racist/problematic in their first impressions and then changing their minds later on, possibly after the narrative didn't catch on.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Arist posted:

Why does that matter? It doesn't affect my point at all.

People are allowed to criticize this game even if you think they're wrong, and being a big baby about how they're all trust fund kids or whatever because they didn't effusively praise it to your exacting standards makes you look like a child. Especially when they actually did.

Do you have a trust fund perchance?

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Jack Trades posted:

Do you have a trust fund perchance?

are you loving serious

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
Lots of high Half Light, low Volition energy in this thread right now

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Chubby Henparty posted:

e: Are some of / how many of the bullet holes in the walls etc that Kim dismisses as from the revolution, from the old guy?

high shivers lets you recognize a lot of them by the end. high visual calculus lets you reconstruct scenes, including at least one of a bunch of people being executed, yes

Arist posted:

Why does that matter? It doesn't affect my point at all.

People are allowed to criticize this game even if you think they're wrong, and being a big baby about how they're all trust fund kids or whatever because they didn't effusively praise it to your exacting standards makes you look like a child. Especially when they actually did.

people are allowed to criticize the game, but no one is allowed to criticize those people, got it.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Come on, man. Of course you're entitled to say "hmm dunno about that" when you see a weird or bad take. I've done that in this thread--with an article from the same website, no less. Going into weird attacks on someone's leftist credentials because they stood next to someone else who wrote a mildly critical article on their early impressions of a game that takes a bit to really come together into something truly special is... silly, to say the least.

Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019

Doc Hawkins posted:

people are allowed to criticize the game, but no one is allowed to criticize those people, got it.

The posting would be less tedious if it hadn't been replicated identically about 10 times already :shrug:

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Arist posted:

Come on, man. Of course you're entitled to say "hmm dunno about that" when you see a weird or bad take. I've done that in this thread--with an article from the same website, no less. Going into weird attacks on someone's leftist credentials because they stood next to someone else who wrote a mildly critical article on their early impressions of a game that takes a bit to really come together into something truly special is... silly, to say the least.

1. Nah dude they're all a bunch of lovely rich liberals cosplaying as revolutionaries. They'll be the first against the wall.
2. Look, they're just trying to appeal to a broader audience to generate more clicks. I appreciate that kind of hustle.
3. Have we considered that maybe gaming journalists and faux lefties are both bad?
4. This wouldn't be an issue if they weren't constantly shoving *politics* down our throats.

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


so long as everyone itt agrees with the core thesis that gamers must be destroyed

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

World War Mammories posted:

so long as everyone itt agrees with the core thesis that gamers must be destroyed

You're posting on a web forum for video games.

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


quod erat demonstrandum

Kaysette
Jan 5, 2009

~*Boston makes me*~
~*feel good*~

:wrongcity:

World War Mammories posted:

so long as everyone itt agrees with the core thesis that gamers must be destroyed

:hmmyes:

as a leftist, i

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Sorry for the tangent, but has everyone tried out the "gameboy version" of Disco Elysium yet?

https://csbrannan.itch.io/disco-elysium-game-boy-edition

It's surprisingly good.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


Cheers, I caught the execution, .
may have missed or not noticed some more. It would be / was awesome if literally every crazy notion in the game was part of something, like working class woman :(

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
Can't wait for the Raphäel Ambrosius Costeau And The Quest For The Cocaine Skull DLC.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

1. Nah dude they're all a bunch of lovely rich liberals cosplaying as revolutionaries. They'll be the first against the wall.
2. Look, they're just trying to appeal to a broader audience to generate more clicks. I appreciate that kind of hustle.
3. Have we considered that maybe gaming journalists and faux lefties are both bad?
4. This wouldn't be an issue if they weren't constantly shoving *politics* down our throats.

Lmao shut the gently caress up

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
Lotsa people in here talking about how rich games journalists are fake leftists who have low media literacy and cannot engage with the works they review while parroting the same kind of rhetoric as the extremely fail old sniper communist

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


how are any games journalists rich?

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Roobanguy posted:

Lmao shut the gently caress up

-1 Morale

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011


tbh i read that while being very tired and didnt see the sarcasm.

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Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Doc Hawkins posted:

how are any games journalists rich?

Tim Rogers makes $12k a month on patreon.

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