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Midjack posted:Like anything else with rich people and businesses it’s tax stuff. I’m always astonished by how much stuff is rented by air companies, nobody besides IFLC and GE CAS seems to actually own anything they use. I remember something about this coming up when Arnold was governor, that he owned a few widebody jet aircraft (or a company that leased them which is probably more correct), to operate by leasing them to air cargo carriers/airlines...
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https://abc7ny.com/nypd-officer-suspended-jaes-kobel-equal-employement-opportunity-division-modified-assignment/7679612/quote:NEW YORK (WABC) -- The head of the NYPD's workplace discrimination office has been relieved of his command amid an investigation into allegations he made prejudice, sexist and intolerant comments in an online chat room where officers air grievances anonymously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vIBijzg4w
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Dec 9, 2020 14:50
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Virginia did a good thing: https://mobile.twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1336501515457064961
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Dec 9, 2020 15:01
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1336670674304299013
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Dec 9, 2020 15:08
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Sailor standing next me said.... “ oh he’s ok with aborting living babies but he’s against no-knock?” What the gently caress dude. Also he’s catholic but thinks trump is cool and good and what the nation needs. I give up.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:23
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Was it just my more limited experience with them or was there actually a time when american catholics weren't as terrible as protestants
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Dec 9, 2020 15:31
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Catholics have been terrible forever. No offense to any Catholics in attendance but your church is horrible.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:33
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American Catholics have a bimodal distribution. There are extremely bad patrician Catholics and there are cool ⁊ good Catholics who are typically from recent immigrant families.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:39
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Catholics loving suck, there is a reason there's a lot of ex-catholics, and it's not just the rampant sex abuse.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:44
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, as someone who was raised Catholic overseas, American Catholics terrify me.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:45
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Catholics know the church is poo poo. They're largely comparable to republicans because they're well aware of all the churchs' dirty laundry but they still go tithe on sunday. Also because of the child molesting and pedophile protection. Pretty sure that republican from Illinois that raped kids as a wrestling coach was a catholic. E: Hastert
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Dec 9, 2020 15:47
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I was raised catholic, I'm not a catholic lol, I have a slightly difficult time believing in any omnipotent entity that created the earth because they would take a look at how hosed up the earth is and just hit the reset button
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Dec 9, 2020 15:48
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https://www.businessinsider.com/romney-tears-into-republicans-threatening-to-protest-electoral-college-vote-2020-12 Mitt Romney tears into Republicans who are threatening to protest the Electoral College vote that will confirm Biden's election victory
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Dec 9, 2020 16:35
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Catholics know the church is poo poo. They're largely comparable to republicans because they're well aware of all the churchs' dirty laundry but they still go tithe on sunday. Also because of the child molesting and pedophile protection. Apt comparison. I was raised Catholic and Sunday school taught me to be an atheist.
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Dec 9, 2020 16:37
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TCD posted:Apt comparison. Raised Jewish, I was taught that rules lawyering between Rabbi's is more important and funny and catholics might try and murder or lynch you.
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Dec 9, 2020 16:42
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Seminary dropout here, I was supposed to be a Jesuit until I realized I liked money and women more than a free PhD. Liberation theology Catholics (Jesuits mostly, American Nuns), can be OK, but the majority of those are non-practicing, or the Christmas/Easter church crowd. They also have a tendency to split off and not have a voice in the larger insane American Catholic churn. American Catholicism has been irrevocably poisoned by the evangelical revivals of the 30s and later 70s in the US, and most of their theology is insanely warped by this.
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Dec 9, 2020 16:53
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orange juche posted:I was raised catholic, I'm not a catholic lol, I have a slightly difficult time believing in any omnipotent entity that created the earth because they would take a look at how hosed up the earth is and just hit the reset button At this point I have a plethora of "the why did I see this horrible thing" to respond with when people try to tell me about a benevolent god. Not even my mother had pushed me since I told her about the mentally challenged girl getting kicked out of a christian shelter specifically to protect women like her in the Winter because she was a prostitute. She was so challenged she wasn't verbal, and was tricked into a crack addiction so she would turn tricks, but that was a sin that they felt comfortable condemning her to death for. So to me thats christianity.
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Dec 9, 2020 16:55
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Raised Catholic, quit when the priest in Enterprise, AL ran off with a parishioner in 2004. That was the final straw for me. Occasionally I listen to Catholic Radio on the way to work and the only things they are worried about are abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay people, and the Church's Authority. Nothing about any of the outreach to people who need help. It's not a religion, it's a club. I will say that I prefer Catholicism to evangelical protestantism in that at least Catholics acknowledge how lovely people are, can feel guilt, and don't act smug and "saved" because they said the right magic words about Jesus. But I'm not giving more money to an organization that has to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars because they actively covered up sexual abuse perpetrated by the clergy. Mandatory when discussing religion in America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALFpRJKnK2U
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Dec 9, 2020 17:02
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What I've never understood is how the nuns get away with everything they've done. The sexual abuse is abhorrent enough, but nuns are known for some truly sadistic poo poo. Magdalene nuns abused and tortured young pregnant girls out of spite, jealousy, and because the Bible told them it was okay. And since it seems in vogue: lapsed Catholic who stopped caring after Confirmation.
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Dec 9, 2020 17:12
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There was one batch of Catholic schools in the town I grew up in, but most of the kids turned out normal. That said, there were rumors that they were partying at a college level (i.e., party favors vs. the typical high school drinking antics) and supposedly there was some sex games competition students secretly took part in senior year. My boss is Catholic and, aside from having as many kids as possible, he's not too bad or overt about it. Our former Administrative Assistant, however, was also Catholic, and Jesus Christ, I thought devout Christians were bad. This family and the people surrounding them were straight out of Central Casting: half the boys in their Inner Circle were named Joe or some derivative thereof, there was excessive gushing and pissing matches over Catholic schools they had to fork over thousands of dollars to attend and which one(s) they went to, there was in office coordination of fish fries during Lent, the boys all loved Notre Dame, and she hated Obama's guts. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Dec 9, 2020 17:15
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Dec 9, 2020 17:19
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Jewish here...ya'll got a lot of issues. I think I ended my wife caring for Catholicism (well and her parent's turbo conservatism). She just wanted to be able to still do Christmas and Easter eggs...and that's cool, Christmas decorating and trees, cookies, and Charlie Brown are super fun. She also never wanted to convert and she was fine with the kids being raised Jewish...and I was like cool no problem.
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Dec 9, 2020 17:20
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The thing about Catholics in Dogma is pretty correct. most of them who even go to church use the time to metaphorically balance their checkbook instead of any kind of act of faith beyond physically being in church Sunday morning
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Dec 9, 2020 17:41
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Dec 9, 2020 18:07
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I have no problem with most religions. But all their adherents can go gently caress themselves.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:09
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bulletsponge13 posted:I have no problem with most religions. Nearly every religion is trash, certainly all the large ones. The sooner they all lose adherents and die off the better.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:27
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Last I checked how was the Iraqi and Syrian program going? I don't mean to sound as ungodly snarky as it comes off as, but with quotes I've seen from arms control experts (ie Jeffery Lewis) they seem to not want to be able to admit that it does delay the program. I understand they have a vested interest in promoting negotiated non proliferation, but I feel like they could be a little more honest about it. Say this will slow it down, but this is bad for these reasons. I mean someone pointed out that after previous Iranian assassinations that Iran stepped up police protection and surveillance of all the scientists...which made their lives living hell (which I can't imagine is good for work). Okay I've made my peace about it. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Dec 9, 2020 18:29
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Mustang posted:Nearly every religion is trash, certainly all the large ones. The sooner they all lose adherents and die off the better. The religions themselves are just mythology. Most of them have cool stories, and decent moral guidance. So does Frank Miller's Batman, but I don't try and make everyone live by it's bullshit. Their followers create the problem. It's not like we have followers of the Temple of Apollo trying to waterboard out the gay.
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bulletsponge13 posted:The religions themselves are just mythology. Most of them have cool stories, and decent moral guidance. So does Frank Miller's Batman, but I don't try and make everyone live by it's bullshit. Also Mel Brooks.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:31
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Last I checked how was the Iraqi and Syrian program going? Ask the MIT professor, but its worth noting that Israel's and the US's violent attempts have done nothing more than provide minor delays versus the Iran Negotiations which had measurable and fast acting effects. https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/1336669117424799745?s=20 What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? That's pretty much the US and Israeli strategy at this point. The reality is, while the delay effect is visible, in reality is just strengthens their resolve no matter the delay. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Dec 9, 2020 18:33
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Last I checked how was the Iraqi and Syrian program going? Well, here's how the Iraqi program went: The US government said that actually Iraq was building weapons of mass destruction and had to be stopped, and then the US launched a ground invasion and toppled the regime 30 years after the Osiraq strike. So according to the US at the time, the strikes did not ultimately work and only an escalation to full war and occupation would suffice. The US would later acknowledge that this was complete bullshit.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:37
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mlmp08 posted:Well, here's how the Iraqi program went: The US government said that actually Iraq was building weapons of mass destruction and had to be stopped, and then the US launched a ground invasion and toppled the regime 30 years after the Osiraq strike. So according to the US at the time, the strikes did not ultimately work and only an escalation to full war and occupation would suffice. The US would later acknowledge that this was complete bullshit. Even better they did so while the Inspectors were going "Uhhhhhh, no they are not" by letting the CIA basically fabricate evidence.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:38
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The Iraqi comment was more of an obvious joke. The Syrian on the other hand seems to be more dead and buried then the lead lined caskets the North Korean engineers went back in. CommieGIR posted:
That said we can all agree it does actually delay the program, right? I mean that's fine and good about the resolve, but if you just keep delaying it, then the resolve means nothing. But I appreciate that we can admit it does delay things, even if we disagree on the potential long term effect. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Dec 9, 2020 18:41
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MazelTovCocktail posted:That said we can all agree it does actually delay the program, right? I mean that's fine and good about the resolve, but if you just keep delaying it, then the resolve means nothing. Not by enough to actually make the delay worthwhile, no. Its a strategy made by people who don't understand how to actually get things done and thinking flexing military might makes you a geopolitical genius. Again, if you think otherwise, go correct the MIT Professor whose entire job is studying Nuclear Proliferation, he doesn't think it works.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:45
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CommieGIR posted:Not by enough to actually make the delay worthwhile, no. Its a strategy made by people who don't understand how to actually get things done and thinking flexing military might makes you a geopolitical genius. Depending on what we do, some actions are better then others no doubt. But I also feel like we take the Iranians at their face value (not saying conversely you take the other side at face value either). But that said I figured Syria's is considered dead now, though without the civil war, it's perhaps unfair to say how much sending back lead lined coffins did to overall slow it down.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:49
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It's also kind of pointless to look at the effect an action had on Syria and then presume to apply that to Iran without looking at things like the overarching strength, population, and reach of influence of Iran. For the past few decades they have possessed a lot more capability to stir poo poo up without going for nukes than the Syrians do or did.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:55
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MazelTovCocktail posted:The Iraqi comment was more of an obvious joke. Technically, yes, it delays the program in the very short term. In the long term it provides motivation to accelerate the program and make it more robust. One step back, two steps forward.
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Dec 9, 2020 18:56
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Depending on what we do, some actions are better then others no doubt. But I also feel like we take the Iranians at their face value (not saying conversely you take the other side at face value either). None of the hardline actions of Israel or the US have achieved any real results other than minor delays. Its the same people that think if they ignore climate change it won't affect them.
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Dec 9, 2020 19:28
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jesus, the only irregularities have been the trumpers behavior
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