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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337067127455539201?s=20 So I think I am probably one of like five people from govt service to have given a poo poo about Morocco, Western Sahara, and the SADR / Polisario Front. What possible reason beyond just salting the Earth for the Biden State Dept was this done
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1337067127455539201?s=20 It appears to have been a quid-pro-quo to get Morocco to recognize Israel.
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Dec 10, 2020 17:30
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Notahippie posted:It appears to have been a quid-pro-quo to get Morocco to recognize Israel. Ah, that makes sense. Morocco was always pretty alright with Israel anyway. Now the Kingdom can get those sweet sweet phosphates and fishing rights
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Notahippie posted:It appears to have been a quid-pro-quo to get Morocco to recognize Israel. I was gonna guess Morocco gave Kushner a loan but yeah
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Dec 10, 2020 17:43
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Turks and Sauds are both #TeamMorocco, I figured one of them got to him
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Dec 10, 2020 17:51
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no poo poo, assholes! "oh, sure, low people have been saying this for years, but now real people are saying it, so it's become news"
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Dec 10, 2020 17:54
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2020 is so lovely that it made Bob Odenkirk a hard motherfucker. https://twitter.com/NobodyMovie/status/1337064543873359874?s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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Dec 10, 2020 18:01
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It’s hilarious then Trump somehow managed to out do Clinton and Carter in this area (and yes I get it’s Iran doing the heavy lifting for him and I don’t mean to imply King Stupid and Jarred have done stuff on their end), since it’s not like those deals were with democratic governments (Jordan not being as bad). Honestly I’m fine with it as it further boxes Iran in, stabilizes the American allied/friendly states and moves American product too. That’s to say nothing of bilateral relations between Israel and the other countries in general. Like I’m legitimately happy about this. And before anyone mentions the Palestinians, this isn’t any different then how most Arab states have viewed them in the past two or so decades...they’re just saying the quiet part loud. It’s unfortunate, but such is global politics. That said it may lead to some sort of long term deal...and look Bibi is eventually going to be gone. Anyway back to Cyberpunk
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Dec 10, 2020 18:01
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Honestly I’m fine with it as it further boxes Iran in, stabilizes the American allied/friendly states and moves American product too. That’s to say nothing of bilateral relations between Israel and the other countries in general. Like I’m legitimately happy about this. Goongrats, that's the worst thing I've read in this thread for quite a while.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:16
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facialimpediment posted:2020 is so lovely that it made Bob Odenkirk a hard motherfucker. The gold bars make me think it actually takes place in the john wick universe. I'm up for it.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:17
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Dec 10, 2020 18:22
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Doc Hawkins posted:Goongrats, that's the worst thing I've read in this thread for quite a while. I think you missed the BikePacalypse. Anyway I’ve always had a fairly realpolitik view of the world, but eh that’s who I am, a filthy center-right. I can at least say with all honesty I’m not a CHUD and care about American democracy domestically. Also the Carter and Clinton thing was a joke about number of states.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:24
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I think you missed the BikePacalypse. The chickenhawk rodeo is a more grotesque event to watch than even car chat.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:25
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MazelTovCocktail posted:It’s hilarious then Trump somehow managed to out do Clinton and Carter in this area (and yes I get it’s Iran doing the heavy lifting for him and I don’t mean to imply King Stupid and Jarred have done stuff on their end), since it’s not like those deals were with democratic governments (Jordan not being as bad). Honestly I’m fine with it as it further boxes Iran in, stabilizes the American allied/friendly states and moves American product too. That’s to say nothing of bilateral relations between Israel and the other countries in general. Like I’m legitimately happy about this. This is a truly, spectacularly stupid and short-sighted post. Delegitimizing Western Sahara’s struggle for independence and self-government while shoring up the apartheid Israel’s position in one fell swoop, what a win for the global community. As long as we get to move American product!
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Dec 10, 2020 18:26
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MazelTovCocktail posted:I think you missed the BikePacalypse. But gently caress Palestinians am I right GO FLYERS. What the gently caress are you even getting at
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Dec 10, 2020 18:29
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Maybe they're invanka? https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/sta...ingawful.com%2F
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Dec 10, 2020 18:31
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All of these Arab countries making “peace” with Israel is less a diplomatic breakthrough led by the US and more of the Gulf states and Morocco formalizing a relationship that began in the late 2000s and has only deepened through the 2010s. A lot of the GCC countries have directly benefitted from Israeli military/tech/intel back room deals, and it’s pretty much an open secret. Netanyahu continues to mold himself in the image of a Middle Eastern autocrat anyhow, so it makes sense that the Gulfie ruling families would eventually see him as a member of the club. Most Arab countries continue to pay lip service to the Palestinian cause but none of them have really given a real poo poo about Palestine since the 80s at least.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:33
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Internet Wizard posted:This is a truly, spectacularly stupid and short-sighted post. It’s honest. Also I can guarantee that most...even informed Americans who knew about Western Sahara would view it as a fair trade off. maffew buildings posted:But gently caress Palestinians am I right GO FLYERS. What the gently caress are you even getting at The whole my foreign views are more to the right, my domestic views are not. Look I know no likes Israel here, I get it. I don’t particular love it myself, but I view it as a better trade off then anything related to the Western Sahara. pantslesswithwolves posted:All of these Arab countries making “peace” with Israel is less a diplomatic breakthrough led by the US and more of the Gulf states and Morocco formalizing a relationship that began in the late 2000s and has only deepened through the 2010s. A lot of the GCC countries have directly benefitted from Israeli military/tech/intel back room deals, and it’s pretty much an open secret. Netanyahu continues to mold himself in the image of a Middle Eastern autocrat anyhow, so it makes sense that the Gulfie ruling families would eventually see him as a member of the club. Pretty much this. Honestly the best outcome of this is Netanyahu getting convicted or losing power, but these relationships being formalized.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:35
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lol gently caress off, gently caress Israel, gently caress giving them any amount of credit.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:39
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MazelTovCocktail posted:words But at least you're not a CHUD! gently caress off with that bullshit you loving rear end in a top hat, you don't get points for not liking Trump when you're handwaving an in progress attempted genocide you loving dick.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:42
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"Israel would never have known that the US supported them if the US didn't support Morocco's violation of cease-fire agreements and referendum agreements and generally disagree with the UN and international courts about the whole situation... Maybe one day we'll find a way to show Israel that the US supports them, but so far our efforts have been inadequate," says the wise man. The Moroccan military violently dispersed non-violent protests, was warned this would lead to open hostilities, apparently thought this a bluff, and then started taking significant casualties when the Polisario started up attacks again. It seems doubtful that Morocco would lose significant land holdings, but hit and runs and shelling can still exact some costs in response to Morocco violently repressing nonviolent protests.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:46
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Oh well this is still better then D/D and CSPAM. So everyone feel free to register their disagreement, it’s cool I get it. I didn’t have to offer my take, so it’s not like I didn’t deserve it.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:50
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Maybe I'm the only one, but can I get a Trump's PDB style bullet point listing of the key players and so on in Western Sahara? I have no idea why anyone is upset about Western Sahara's independence, because "west africa rebel group" makes me think of boko haram.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:52
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If its a deal Kushner made, then it was so low effort to be not worth it anyways. https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1337088262284972033?s=20 CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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Dec 10, 2020 18:53
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You got your boner pills in my antipsychotics! No, you got your antipsychotics in my boner pills! Whatever, it's two great tastes that taste great together https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-...0mg-tablets-due Also the real problem with this western sahara move will be NCOs in armies throughout the world no longer being able to point to the great berm and say "no, this isn't even close to the shittiest posting" shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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Dec 10, 2020 18:59
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US Berder Patrol posted:Maybe I'm the only one, but can I get a Trump's PDB style bullet point listing of the key players and so on in Western Sahara? I have no idea why anyone is upset about Western Sahara's independence, because "west africa rebel group" makes me think of boko haram. Extremely cliff-notesy, so someone correct me if I gently caress this up: -France and Spain had colonial holdings in Africa, including Morocco and portions of Western Sahara. -In the 1970s, The Polisario (a leftist organization) and the Western Saharan peoples (Sahrawi) tried to establish independence. The US and other westerners opposed this, because Cold War and any leftist is obviously evil. -Mauritania gave up its Western Saharan holdings to the Polisario, and then Morocco immediately seized the territory with US and French support. -By 1991, a cease-fire was established with aid of the UN with understanding that there would be an independence referendum. Morocco has never permitted a referendum to take place. Virtually no countries recognize Morocco's rule over Western Sahara, but France and the US are kind of a big deal. -Recently, (October), there have been nonviolent Western Saharan protests. Morocco has responded violently. -The US and France have repeatedly threatened to veto any UNSC action on this topic -Morocco has been friendly to US/French counter-terror and counter-insurgent actions in Africa -the Polisario resumed attacks on Moroccan military forces in November-ish of this year as a result of the october crackdowns and general 29 years of zero progress on a referndum -Algeria has typically supported the Polisario, but their economy is rough as hell right now, so it's not a good time for them to be involved -The US and France endorse a Moroccan plan for West Saharan "autonomy," which is... uh... not very autonomous. E for typos mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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Dec 10, 2020 19:00
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Very helpful primer. I don't feel so lost, now. Thanks
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Dec 10, 2020 19:08
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yall seem very surprised that the resident Republican holds very stupid opinions on foreign policy as well.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:It’s hilarious then Trump somehow managed to out do Clinton and Carter in this area (and yes I get it’s Iran doing the heavy lifting for him and I don’t mean to imply King Stupid and Jarred have done stuff on their end), since it’s not like those deals were with democratic governments (Jordan not being as bad). Honestly I’m fine with it as it further boxes Iran in, stabilizes the American allied/friendly states and moves American product too. That’s to say nothing of bilateral relations between Israel and the other countries in general. Like I’m legitimately happy about this. 
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mlmp08 posted:Extremely cliff-notesy, so someone correct me if I gently caress this up: Also to add that: 1. Morroco has a sand berm that they erected to keep the Polisario Front and SADR (who have been in Algerian refugee camps) on the mostly sand side whereas Morocco administers the side with the larger town that starts with an L and where phosphate mine / conveyor belt is. The sand berm may also go a bit into Mauritania. 2. Algeria has supported the SADR and Polisario since the 90s. 3. If you ask why something hasn't been done militarily it is that Algeria is stronger than Morocco who is stronger than the Polisario so anything more than security forces would have had regional implications
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Dec 10, 2020 19:32
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That Works posted:Well actually it was a big part of the factors in nuclear warfare an-- ... oh... ohhhhhh drat I didn’t get the joke, please explain. 
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Dec 10, 2020 20:15
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GRID was what they called AIDS when it first emerged Gay Related Immunodeficiency Syndrome
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Dec 10, 2020 20:17
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I didn’t get the joke, please explain. AIDS was originally called GRID. Gay related immuno deficiency. gently caress, beat.
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Dec 10, 2020 20:18
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Ohhhhh. That’s a solid  Good one. Sorry I had to have that pointed out for me, I’m dumb.
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Dec 10, 2020 20:42
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Ohhhhh. Thanks for falling on that grenade for the rest of us who didn’t know
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Dec 10, 2020 20:44
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Milo and POTUS posted:Surprising at all that reagan would give a poo poo about the grid 
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Dec 10, 2020 20:48
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Woofer posted:Thanks for falling on that grenade for the rest of us who didn’t know Yeah I was wondering
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Dec 10, 2020 20:53
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I didn’t get the joke, please explain. GRID is the 80s name for AIDS, a disease that was made much much worse by Reagan's refusal to acknowledge it. efb badly. shoulda refreshed.
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Woofer posted:Thanks for falling on that grenade for the rest of us who didn’t know
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