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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

yeaaaaaaah buddy

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Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/12/10/5-bicyclists-killed-four-injured-southern-nevada-highway-crash-involving-box-truck/3884141001/

drat, these are always the most terrifying. You'd think being a larger group makes everyone more visible. All too familiar with this now.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Friends:

I’m looking at getting an aero bike in 2021 which means I should probably order soon to get it sometime in the spring, maybe. I’m on a rim brake BMC Teammachine with Force 22 now that I’ll likely keep.

Requirements are disc brakes, electronic shifting and tubeless wheel compatibility out of the box. Preferences are SRAM Force 2x, a fully integrated cockpit, and a colorway that sparks joy in my life. I like to run 38cm bars so I’d need to swap the whole cockpit if its integrated.

The list that I started with:
Ridley Noah Fast
Giant Propel
Specialized Tarmac/Venge
Cervelo S5
Cannondale SystemSix
Orbea Orca Aero
BMC Timemachine Road
Canyon Aeroad
Scott Foil

Of these, I’ve narrowed it down to the SystemSix di2, Propel Advanced Pro 0, Aeroad SLX, and the Foil 10. Pros and cons.

SystemSix: Paint is decent, looks slick, has some deep wheels. Team price deal. Still quite expensive with discount, no SRAM option, stock integrated bars likely too wide.

Propel: Comes with PM, Giant’s crash policy, large dealer network. Paint isn’t thrilling, bars only go down to 40cm, and it’s pretty porky at 8.23kg.

Aeroad: Joint cheapest and the lightest, bars adjust down to 37cm and come off for transport, adjustable height stem and deep wheels. Only available online, the paint is boring, non-tubeless tires, older wheelset (ARC 1400), supposedly only +/-6 degree integrated stem/bar combo currently available.

Foil: By far the best paint of these 4, sold by a local shop that everyone loves, joint cheapest. Wheels aren’t as deep section as the others, stock integrated bars are likely too wide.

I’m leaning toward the Foil, then the Aeroad. Am I missing any other competing models or any major considerations? No Trek for me.


Bikes I'd cross off immediately:
Orca Aero - exposed cables in 2021, really? Will surely be replaced soon.
S5 - stupid, stupid steerer stop design that will delaminate your HT if you overrotate your bars
Propel - ugly as hell IMO. Will surely be replaced soon.

Bikes that I consider "semi-aero":
Noah Fast - not much to say about it, it's somewhat light, but I see no reason to get one considering the other options.
Scott Foil - They finally added internal routing, but this is an aging design and I expect a real update soon.

Bikes I'd consider:
Venge/Tarmac - I'd honestly take the Venge over the Tarmac. It's better looking and the frameset + seatpost is ~200g heavier than the Tarmac SL7 at most.
Cannondale SystemSix - Not the prettiest...some of the worse paint themes, heavy, but they are heavily discounted locally.
BMC TimeMachine Road - Super distinctive, I guess?
Aeroad - Fast, less expensive than the competition, some clever innovations in the cockpit.

Shame about the Trek bit. Rear IsoSpeed is great...T47 is great...P1 paint is great.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Shadowhand00 posted:

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/12/10/5-bicyclists-killed-four-injured-southern-nevada-highway-crash-involving-box-truck/3884141001/

drat, these are always the most terrifying. You'd think being a larger group makes everyone more visible. All too familiar with this now.

9:40am and the driver wasn’t impaired probably means he is either blind, or texting,
when he killed four people.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Super tempted to grab a used CAAD10 for $1K, partially because it fits me perfectly and I want a road bike, partially because the local rep for one of our biggest parts and accessories suppliers sent to it an email to tell us basically everything is super duper hosed and everyone's gonna be struggling to get bikes parts and stuff until at least spring 2022.

Good luck stock up on stuff.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Thats why I stick to trails

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Did a big flat ride today and TTrashbike is the real deal, holy poo poo is it fast. :popeye:

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Ropes4u posted:

9:40am and the driver wasn’t impaired probably means he is either blind, or texting,
when he killed four people.



Possibly high winds. I do hope they check the mobile phone records though.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Ropes4u posted:

9:40am and the driver wasn’t impaired probably means he is either blind, or texting,
when he killed four people.



quote:

NHP Trooper Travis Smaka said he doesn't expect a preliminary report of what caused the crash until Friday.

"It doesn't appear to be impairment," Buratczuk said. "It appears to be a tragic accident."

That's what they say when they've decided they're not going to charge the driver of course

something similar happened here a while back, car drifted onto the shoulder and hit a woman walking to the bus stop on a 9 foot wide shoulder. No charges, because ignoring your car while it drifts into the pedestrian area isn't negligent enough I guess.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

same deal for the driver who drifted into a shoulder and over a rumble strip to kill my friend, cripple another.

just a tragic accident, wish we could do more but aw shucks the law is just so constraining! here have a moving violation. and we'll let you put a little memorial next to the fuse box where she died and now we've moved on, you should too.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

VideoGameVet posted:

Possibly high winds. I do hope they check the mobile phone records though.


No. You can see the damage is to the front of the box truck and and there are plenty of reports that explain what happened. There was a group of ~20 cyclists and a SAG car on the road. Approximately half the cyclists were behind the SAG when the truck slammed into them. The truck continues forward and then slams into the SAG, pinning the cyclists in the process and pushing the SAG into the other cyclists who were in front of it.

They say the driver wasn’t impaired, but my guess is he nodded off at the wheel.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

e.pilot posted:

Did a big flat ride today and TTrashbike is the real deal, holy poo poo is it fast. :popeye:


them's some good zoomies

God Hole posted:

same deal for the driver who drifted into a shoulder and over a rumble strip to kill my friend, cripple another.

just a tragic accident, wish we could do more but aw shucks the law is just so constraining! here have a moving violation. and we'll let you put a little memorial next to the fuse box where she died and now we've moved on, you should too.
I'm happy to live somewhere this isn't common because holy hell if somebody ran my kid over I'd need physical restraining.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


TobinHatesYou posted:

They say the driver wasn’t impaired, but my guess is he nodded off at the wheel.

Why that doesn't result in the very least in a revocation of your license is beyond me, it's object proof that you're incapable of holding a license safely.

In Pennsylvania, the only way drivers are ever prosecuted for killing a pedestrian or cyclist is if they're impaired at the time. Nothing else gets charged.

The first time my wife and I took our bikes on a road, a woman in a Jeep flew up behind my wife, slammed her brakes, and started leaning on her horn. if my wife had been started and fallen, she'd have been killed. She absolutely refuses to ride on roads with any sort of traffic because of that.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
In the UK rather than the US, but the courts here seem to view "having a driving license" as the default state of being rather than something you need to demonstrate competence to earn and keep.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
The joke being that the best way to get away with murder is to give your victim a bike.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

TobinHatesYou posted:

No. You can see the damage is to the front of the box truck and and there are plenty of reports that explain what happened. There was a group of ~20 cyclists and a SAG car on the road. Approximately half the cyclists were behind the SAG when the truck slammed into them. The truck continues forward and then slams into the SAG, pinning the cyclists in the process and pushing the SAG into the other cyclists who were in front of it.

They say the driver wasn’t impaired, but my guess is he nodded off at the wheel.

... or staring at his phone.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
The amount of truck drivers caught watching porn while driving is incredibly high.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

Ropes4u posted:

9:40am and the driver wasn’t impaired probably means he is either blind, or texting,
when he killed four people.



I hate it that they use this language every time. It's always the 'truck' that kills the cyclists, never the person driving it.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Attn: Tobin

I got 4th on the Ven-Top descent using your patented strategy, and it crashed my game. Owned.

WerrWaaa
Nov 5, 2008

I can make all your dreams come true.

kimbo305 posted:

Both of yall should be solidly in medium range, with your spouse needing to running relatively tall seatpost for mediums.

I bought the Haro Amos and the Nishiki Manitoba and they are glorious. Thanks! Lots to read up on!

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

kimbo305 posted:


A totally different pedal I stumbled into:
http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=AA0D7C3F-3241-4402-9DC2-9F07285B751B&Enum=109&AbsPos=305
Shimano had a Dyna-Drive standard, 1" 24tpi threads. Instead of a full length pedal spindle, they had a very short one, maybe hoping the bigger bearing would be enough support?

Were very light and look to be 0 stack, but I understand how hard it must be to go against one of the few sacred standards in cycling.
Also it looks goofy as hell

e: weird art bike potential, as you could thread that onto your 1" fork threads.

Going back a bit but yeah, it says something about the pedal threading standard that even Shimano wasn't able to gently caress with it. I believe the idea of Dyna-Drive was that having the pedal "lower" than the crank arm was advantageous in some way which I can't remember.

Dura-Ace AX/Shimano 600AX was a weird groupset, including some other odd things like Shimano using a weird in-derailleur pre-SIS quasi-indexing system, one of the few non-dropped parallelogram derailleurs they made for high end bikes, and probably set off the "aero parts" trend of the 80s that seems hilarious in retrospect since all these parts were attached to normal steel frame bikes, and maybe, at best, an "aero bike" with ovalized steel tubes. It did give us aero brake cabling and internal cable routing, though, so that stuck around.

This was the era where Shimano got kind of weird with a bunch of failed technologies like Positron indexing/Front Freewheel/AX Dyna-Drive etc before Dura-Ace 7400, Shimano New 600EX, and 105, and especially SIS indexing hosed Suntour and Campagnolo up.


Retrogrouches and racers mocked indexing as a kiddie/gimmick feature on high-end bikes at the time but it's really remarkable how important it was to get right. Prior to indexing, mechanics would note bikes where the worn chain was meshed with one gear on the cog and wouldn't work on any of the other unworn gears because the rider was too scared to gently caress with the rear derailleur. It made gearshifting accessible to everyone. (that said I still run friction, gently caress modernity, return to tradition etc etc etc)

Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 16, 2020

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Feels Villeneuve posted:

having the pedal "lower" than the crank arm was advantageous in some way which I can't remember.

With any amount of stack, if you don't keep your foot at the same angle throughout the stroke, then the point of contact isn't quite circular, but instead very slightly wavy as the pedal stack lever arm tracks your foot angle. I imagine it's negligible biomechanically for most pedal thicknesses.

frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well
Has anyone else followed the Crust Bikes 'closure' thing? I feel for them as a small company, but their instagram the last few days has just been photos of their friends receiving new Crust's in the mail, while some folks apparently aren't even sure if their orders are going to be fulfilled. I have no doubt they'll come through for people, but it's kind of a bad look.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


I think the owner is just taking time off to tour. He does it pretty often

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



They basically don’t have any frames so they’re just waiting for the supply chain to become a little less of a disaster.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

frogbs posted:

Has anyone else followed the Crust Bikes 'closure' thing? I feel for them as a small company, but their instagram the last few days has just been photos of their friends receiving new Crust's in the mail, while some folks apparently aren't even sure if their orders are going to be fulfilled. I have no doubt they'll come through for people, but it's kind of a bad look.

https://theradavist.com/2020/12/whats-going-on-with-crust-bikes/
Be sure to read the stanning in the comments, too.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

They basically don’t have any frames so they’re just waiting for the supply chain to become a little less of a disaster.

Barely anyone has frames. I've got a poor kid that commutes year round waiting on a frame from a company a lot bigger than Crust and their warranty department just emailed me to say they don't have any so they're trying to scrounge something from their production line.

Things are so very hosed right now for the big players. They're being told that some key OEM components are 600 days out. This is why some bikes we've ordered just aren't coming. The smaller ones are even worse off. Hell, some of these small companies that contract out their frame production to larger entities are calling shops and telling them that their entire booking has been cancelled.

2021 is going to be extremely disappointing for bikes.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



EvilJoven posted:

Barely anyone has frames. I've got a poor kid that commutes year round waiting on a frame from a company a lot bigger than Crust and their warranty department just emailed me to say they don't have any so they're trying to scrounge something from their production line.

Things are so very hosed right now for the big players. They're being told that some key OEM components are 600 days out. This is why some bikes we've ordered just aren't coming. The smaller ones are even worse off. Hell, some of these small companies that contract out their frame production to larger entities are calling shops and telling them that their entire booking has been cancelled.

2021 is going to be extremely disappointing for bikes.

Well, yeah. I was just replying to the part that the guy took off to tour when it’s more of a supply chain issue, not that it’s unique to Crust.

Weembles
Apr 19, 2004

EvilJoven posted:

Barely anyone has frames. I've got a poor kid that commutes year round waiting on a frame from a company a lot bigger than Crust and their warranty department just emailed me to say they don't have any so they're trying to scrounge something from their production line.

Things are so very hosed right now for the big players. They're being told that some key OEM components are 600 days out. This is why some bikes we've ordered just aren't coming. The smaller ones are even worse off. Hell, some of these small companies that contract out their frame production to larger entities are calling shops and telling them that their entire booking has been cancelled.

2021 is going to be extremely disappointing for bikes.

Has anyone figured out why supply is so poor? Is it super high demand from the post-covid biking fad or super low production from the lockdowns?

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Both. Demand skyrocketed and manufacturing shut down. The only thing that made last year not completely terrible is most of us had leftover bikes from 2019.

This year is going to be worse because there's barely any leftovers from last year and production hasn't ramped back up to pre covid levels.

frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

They basically don’t have any frames so they’re just waiting for the supply chain to become a little less of a disaster.

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

I think the owner is just taking time off to tour. He does it pretty often

I think it'd go over a lot better if they just said this instead of posting a video of a phone!


Ok, a surprising amount of discussion there. Also interesting to see the comments about difficulty with Geekhouse, I know a few people who had similar issues back before they closed up.

frogbs fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 16, 2020

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

EvilJoven posted:

Both. Demand skyrocketed and manufacturing shut down. The only thing that made last year not completely terrible is most of us had leftover bikes from 2019.

This year is going to be worse because there's barely any leftovers from last year and production hasn't ramped back up to pre covid levels.

more repair backlogs from people getting repair work for CL bike "tuneups" then, lol

at least the bike shops will not be going hungry

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



EvilJoven posted:

Both. Demand skyrocketed and manufacturing shut down. The only thing that made last year not completely terrible is most of us had leftover bikes from 2019.

This year is going to be worse because there's barely any leftovers from last year and production hasn't ramped back up to pre covid levels.

Sounds like I’m going to have to buy that Canyon in boring black because they say it’ll be available in February.

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Feels Villeneuve posted:

more repair backlogs from people getting repair work for CL bike "tuneups" then, lol

at least the bike shops will not be going hungry

This is me, well sorta, I’ll probably do most of my own wrenching. I grabbed a theft recovered Diverge off OfferUp last week that needs a bit of work. My “full retail is for marks” ethos is proving to be a stumbling block in finding what I need. Which tbh, currently a Shimano 2x11 rear derailleur to replace the cheap Sram 9spd that’s on there.

Since the bar tape is shot, It looks like the cables could be replaced, and I don’t really like the feel of the 105 shifters, I figure an upgrade to the drivetrain makes sense. I keep waffling between converting to 1x or sticking with 2x but I think parts availability is going to be the deciding factor. As such, I have some questions.

1) Can I remove the small ring from my crankset to go 1x or is the spacing off enough that a 1x specific crankset is needed? I bought a 2x11 GRX crankset last week on OfferUp as well, but after doing so realized the current one on the bike is in decent shape and I didn't really need that.
2) Do I need anything besides levers, derailleurs & a battery to move to Di2 (I'm seeing reasonably priced parts for a 2x10 build) I'm not sure I want to, but it's an interesting option.

eh, that's all the questions I have right now, but I'm sure others will come up

highme fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Dec 16, 2020

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

Feels Villeneuve posted:

more repair backlogs from people getting repair work for CL bike "tuneups" then, lol

at least the bike shops will not be going hungry

You should have seen the poo poo that started rolling through the shop last year once the entire city ran out of sub 1K mountain bikes and hybrids.

"Can you make this rideable?" "Any other year it'd be a waste of money but sure I guess."

2021 is gonna be a bodge show.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

im just getting fat at this point

ahem i mean "cultivating mass"

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I'm back on a training plan and I'm still getting fat because everyone's dropping off Christmas treats at the shop.

I know I could just not eat them but hey.

chyaroh
Aug 8, 2007

EvilJoven posted:

Both. Demand skyrocketed and manufacturing shut down. The only thing that made last year not completely terrible is most of us had leftover bikes from 2019.

This year is going to be worse because there's barely any leftovers from last year and production hasn't ramped back up to pre covid levels.

Yeah, I pulled the trigger on a new road bike a bit early here down under because the local shop had precisely one 2021 model in and said they wouldn't be getting any.more until the middle of 2021 at least. And that's from a big manufacturer as well.

Early Christmas present for me!

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


frogbs posted:

I think it'd go over a lot better if they just said this instead of posting a video of a phone!

It's Rivendell for millenials run by less reliable people with even worse business instincts. They keep trying to run a storefront and side business selling two ply ladies' canvas jumpsuits. They make good bikes and seem nice but don't be surprised when they suddenly shut down.

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frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

It's Rivendell for millenials run by less reliable people with even worse business instincts. They keep trying to run a storefront and side business selling two ply ladies' canvas jumpsuits. They make good bikes and seem nice but don't be surprised when they suddenly shut down.

Hah! I was actually thinking Crust is just Velo Orange but with a 50% more "punk-aesthetic" and a little less business sense.

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