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Comrade Blyatlov posted:You've reprinted chapter 6. Sorry. Fixed.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 04:50 |
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# ? May 23, 2024 21:12 |
What about the female? dead silence uh.....................
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 05:03 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:What about the female? Hey, given their normal mission success rate, only taking 50% losses is pretty good!
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 05:12 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Hey, given their normal mission success rate, only taking 50% losses is pretty good! That's got to be a Top Three, at least
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 05:13 |
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quote:Many of them would have made a nice snack for me, but Cassie and I have an agreement about that - I don’t eat her patients. I just imagined Cassie releasing a healed rabbit and watching it hop away only to see Tobias swooping in for a snack as soon as it was far enough away
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 05:18 |
poo poo, i need to find that video of the squirrel now
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 05:22 |
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Young Me noped out on the first Tobias book because a friend told me that it featured Tobias having bird sex with a bird. Thanks a lot, Duncan.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 05:56 |
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Tree Bucket posted:That's got to be a Top Three, at least Someone should do a dive to see how many missions actually accomplish their objective and how many end in near-disaster.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 06:45 |
They saved Ax, and blew the Kandrona. They stopped the logging i guess but they got chumped by a termite queen, so I'm calling that a wash. And they beat the Veleek. 3/11.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 07:08 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Someone should do a dive to see how many missions actually accomplish their objective and how many end in near-disaster. I saw one site that had summaries and reviews of each book, along with a running scorecard of wins for the Yeerks vs the Animorphs vs inconclusive or not really a conflict (like, say, book 2), and for the 54 main books, it was Animorphs 21, Yeerks 16.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 07:11 |
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Epicurius posted:I saw one site that had summaries and reviews of each book, along with a running scorecard of wins for the Yeerks vs the Animorphs vs inconclusive or not really a conflict (like, say, book 2), and for the 54 main books, it was Animorphs 21, Yeerks 16. Animorphs 21, Visser 3
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 07:56 |
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They got the Pemalite Crystal away from the Yeerks, and the only casualty on their side was Eric's innocence. That's sort of a win, even if it didn't lead to the result they wanted.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 10:03 |
Eh...... I left that one out, because they all would have died. A last minute hail-mary doesn't really count as a win in my books. I mean, Jake straight up tells Marco he died.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 10:04 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Young Me noped out on the first Tobias book because a friend told me that it featured Tobias having bird sex with a bird. I mean, it does feature Tobias being horny for a bird as part of his general new-species confusion, which is only stopped by her getting fridged at the end, so not too far off...
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 10:10 |
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Epicurius posted:I saw one site that had summaries and reviews of each book, along with a running scorecard of wins for the Yeerks vs the Animorphs vs inconclusive or not really a conflict (like, say, book 2), and for the 54 main books, it was Animorphs 21, Yeerks 16. Those are believable totals, but I feel like they're overly simplified. The Animorphs' "wins" are usually by the skin of their teeth and are only minor setbacks for the Yeerks, especially before the ghostwriting starts. Which is the kind of win you'd expect from a vastly outnumbered guerrilla force! Rescuing Ax, rescuing Jake, killing the Veleek, stealing the Pemalite crystal: none of these really hurt the Yeerks the way Tobias getting trapped in morph hurts the Animorphs, they just keep the Yeerks at the same strength they were at before the book. (And rescuing Ax and stealing the Pemalite crystal, as well as escaping the Blade ship in book 5 and destroying the Kandrona in book 7, all require non-Animorph intervention just to get them out alive.)
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 14:51 |
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disaster pastor posted:Those are believable totals, but I feel like they're overly simplified. The Animorphs' "wins" are usually by the skin of their teeth and are only minor setbacks for the Yeerks, especially before the ghostwriting starts. Which is the kind of win you'd expect from a vastly outnumbered guerrilla force! Sure, but I think a lot of that is ok. Slowing the Yeerks down or stopping one of their plans is still a win. So, in "The Capture" (the one where Jake gets taken over by Tom's Yeerk), they stop the Yeerks from taking over the governor who might become president. This doesn't weaken the Yeerks, but it maintains the status quo, and maintaining the status quo is a win for the Animorphs, because their goal is to stop the Yeerk plan for advancing until the Andalites show up and take over the situation. The French Resistance knew they weren't going to drive the Germans out of France during WWII, but by sabotaging German industrial production, getting information to the Allies, helping downed pilots, and stuff, they were still contributing to the fight and helping the war effort, which they knew would result in their country being freed.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 15:21 |
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Epicurius posted:Sure, but I think a lot of that is ok. Slowing the Yeerks down or stopping one of their plans is still a win. So, in "The Capture" (the one where Jake gets taken over by Tom's Yeerk), they stop the Yeerks from taking over the governor who might become president. This doesn't weaken the Yeerks, but it maintains the status quo, and maintaining the status quo is a win for the Animorphs, because their goal is to stop the Yeerk plan for advancing until the Andalites show up and take over the situation. The French Resistance knew they weren't going to drive the Germans out of France during WWII, but by sabotaging German industrial production, getting information to the Allies, helping downed pilots, and stuff, they were still contributing to the fight and helping the war effort, which they knew would result in their country being freed. Oh, I don't disagree at all. I'm just saying that the wins aren't equal (just like they weren't in your WWII example). That doesn't in any way make them unimportant, it just means "number of wins" doesn't say much about the quality.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 15:30 |
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Epicurius posted:Sure, but I think a lot of that is ok. Slowing the Yeerks down or stopping one of their plans is still a win. So, in "The Capture" (the one where Jake gets taken over by Tom's Yeerk), they stop the Yeerks from taking over the governor who might become president. This doesn't weaken the Yeerks, but it maintains the status quo, and maintaining the status quo is a win for the Animorphs, because their goal is to stop the Yeerk plan for advancing until the Andalites show up and take over the situation. disaster pastor posted:Rescuing Ax, rescuing Jake, killing the Veleek, stealing the Pemalite crystal: none of these really hurt the Yeerks the way Tobias getting trapped in morph hurts the Animorphs, they just keep the Yeerks at the same strength they were at before the book. (And rescuing Ax and stealing the Pemalite crystal, as well as escaping the Blade ship in book 5 and destroying the Kandrona in book 7, all require non-Animorph intervention just to get them out alive.) The Veleek and the Pemalite crystal too are big wins for the animorphs, as both eliminate a major enemy superweapon, which, yeah, doesn't particularly hurt the Yeerks compared to where they were before that book, but it's still thwarting a major threat. tl;dr, Pushing back the enemy relative to their previous position isn't the only definition of a win! CidGregor fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Lemme see: Book one: initial primary objective, assault on the pool, failed. The second, freeing Cassie before infestation, was a success. Addernum: one member WIA (tobias) - and intelwise, it changed from "possible that some kids may saw something they shouldn't?" & "do we have Andalite survivors?" to "we have Andalite insurgents opposing us". L the first (arguably l - not cause it was not a failure, but cause they did managed to not all die. proportions) 2 : went after intel, got into a fight getting out. All made it, and a bit smarter for the effort. Either a wash, or you can be charitable and give them a w. Note the smallcase. 3 : managed to down an enemy supply ship. W! (also, they erred planning to get fish, made fools of themself getting it, and than the plan went tits-up, and if Tobias was a worse shot, would die pointlessy. Not changing the W, but still. You done goofed) (okay, I'm assuming that said supply ship ain't an "eh") 4 : Managed to rescue Ax, got away cleanly. W. Did get some help from whale jesus, but he joined in since they helped the crucified cetacean before - no point against them. 5 : captured, own trap didn't work, would be total wipe if Yeerks didn't put infighing before winning the war. L. 6 : Sabotaged hospital operation. Success. One member ?IA, rest of team need to care for him a little - but that went smoothly. W or w. 7 : Assault on the Kandrona is successful. W. MM 1 : On the defensive for once, survived and killed their pursuer. W. 8 : could had killed Visser 3, failed. But that's since they be unwilling to execute Alloran, not operational failure. It's a wash. 9 : managed to halt the logging operation. w. 10 : managed to get the objective. Relied on one-time help, died a bit on the way. Could argue either wa - y'know what? dunno. ? 12 : succeded in having a guy not get turned. w.
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# ? Dec 11, 2020 23:38 |
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I disagree about Book 3, their goal was to capture or decloak the Yeerk ship so as to reveal the invasion and they failed to do so. It was a clear L, even if they did destroy the vessel itself.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 01:41 |
the question as originally asked was 'end in near-disaster', which is why i gave them 3/11
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 01:47 |
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Animorphs Book 13: The Change-Chapter 9quote:It took a while to figure out how we were going to deal with the Hork-Bajir. In the end, we decided I’d go ahead with Ax. The others would morph and stay close enough to hear what was happening. At least they're prepared. quote:<Andalites tried to save the Hork-Bajir from the Yeerks,> Ax said, sounding a little defensive. Jara Hamee is a very....direct individual. Chapter 10 quote:<What kind of company, Cassie?> I heard Jake snap. That's basically why Ax wanted to do it, I think. . quote:The Hork-Bajir stood peacefully as Rachel reached out her slender fingers to touch the creature’s back. The Hork-Bajir went slightly limp as she began to “acquire” him. To absorb his DNA and make it part of her. So, the plan is for her to draw the Yeerks off and then get away from them.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 03:42 |
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I don't know why my brain works this way, because it didn't even occur to me the danger inherent in letting him see Rachel demorph - I thought Ax should do it just because it would be quicker - but when I saw this...quote:Ax held his hands open in a gesture of peace. ...I immediately thought that's a human gesture which means you're not holding a weapon and wouldn't apply to either Andalites or Hork-Bajir! Also, it's funny that Jara Hamee is a Wife Guy, and also it felt very weird that it cut straight from a tight chase and hunt through the forest to a meeting in the barn. One of them didn't even think they should stay with him in the cave, in case he wanders off?
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 04:18 |
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freebooter posted:...I immediately thought that's a human gesture which means you're not holding a weapon and wouldn't apply to either Andalites or Hork-Bajir! Bob grinned broadly at the with chimp, maintaining steady eye contact, in a gesture of peace
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 05:12 |
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It's weird to see the Animorphs treating Hork-Bajir like they're horrifying and gross. The books treated them way more like monsters early on.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 06:42 |
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Shwoo posted:It's weird to see the Animorphs treating Hork-Bajir like they're horrifying and gross. The books treated them way more like monsters early on. It's an odd choice, to be sure. Kids automatically love anything dinosaur-shaped!
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freebooter posted:I don't know why my brain works this way, because it didn't even occur to me the danger inherent in letting him see Rachel demorph - I thought Ax should do it just because it would be quicker - but when I saw this... Andalites and (infested) Hork-Bajir still use guns.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 09:27 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Bob grinned broadly at the with chimp, maintaining steady eye contact, in a gesture of peace I think the reason it really stuck out to me is there's a great bit in Terry Pratchett's book Only You Can Save Mankind where a character peacefully approaches some aliens smiling and with hands outstretched - but they're lizard/crocodile aliens, and the narrator then explains that baring your teeth and extending your claws is considered a threat display. SirSamVimes posted:Andalites and (infested) Hork-Bajir still use guns. Yeah but open hands wouldn't be an instinctive gesture for them, whereas for us it probably dates back to caveman times. I'm pretty sure Ax also shakes his head sometimes - a deeply human gesture universal across all cultures, because babies will turn their head away from a nipple if they don't want to feed, so it gets ingrained as a gesture for rejection. But I think Pratchett also wrote something once about how someone said he couldn't call gypsies that on Discworld because the word is derived from "Egypt" and he said something like "I'm not interested in writing books for people who want to learn Klingon." I'm not trying to gotcha KA, I just think this stuff is fun to note. (I guess that actually makes me similar to the people who want to learn Klingon).
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 10:39 |
I'm just annoyed that Andalites seem to prefer the worst measurement - the mile.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 10:51 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm just annoyed that Andalites seem to prefer the worst measurement - the mile. Andalites: -use miles -carry a lethal weapon everywhere -unfamiliar with books -fond of military adventures Hmmm
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 11:19 |
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Tree Bucket posted:Andalites: See themselves as police, have used weapons of mass destruction on civilians. Might be on to something here
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 17:50 |
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Oh, I don't think the books try to hide that the Andalites are very American aliens. Also, I guess if you want to be generous (and take a position on the Andalite chest debate), Ax opening his arms is a way to show that his chest is defenseless and that there's nothing to stop him getting stabbed in the hearts.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 18:51 |
quote:<Did that scare the pee out of you, Ax-man, or doesn’t that kind of thing bother you Andalites?>
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 18:52 |
I've never really been clear on just how long their tails are. The length of their bodies? A little more?
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 18:56 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I've never really been clear on just how long their tails are. The length of their bodies? A little more? Longer than their bodies, because they can reach their tails up or around and hit things in front of them. If you're going by book covers, probably the best picture of a complete Andalite body is the book Visser, and in that case, the tail is about a length and a half the size of the body.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 19:23 |
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Alternatively, they fight rear end-backwards towards the enemy, using their eye stalks to see behind them. The cowards at Scholastic would not allow Applegate to fully share her vision of rear end-to-rear end combat in the Andalite Chronicles.
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# ? Dec 12, 2020 19:38 |
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Tulul posted:Alternatively, they fight rear end-backwards towards the enemy, using their eye stalks to see behind them. The cowards at Scholastic would not allow Applegate to fully share her vision of rear end-to-rear end combat in the Andalite Chronicles. I hope there is fan art about this
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# ? Dec 13, 2020 03:19 |
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:I hope there is fan art about this You know your life's work now.
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# ? Dec 13, 2020 03:27 |
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:I hope there is fan art about this https://valoscope.tumblr.com/post/632866758827638784/gallusrostromegalus-sarifel-corrisafid-ilxhel
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Animorphs Book 13: The Change-Chapter 11quote:<You can open your eyes now,> I told Jara Hamee. Right. This is just a display, not a serious rivalry. quote:<Hey, we so totally do not have time for games,> Marco said. I mean, fair, she did, but you have to wonder about Marco's willingness to get into a cash bet with a hawk, a species known for its vast financial resources. quote:And then the enemy arrived. Suddenly four human-Controllers armed with guns crashed clumsily into view. And with them, two Hork-Bajir. Right, so this is all Tobias trying to compensate. We've seen over the past few books his growing feelings of helplessness and failure, that while the rest of the team is actively fighting the Yeerks, because of the fact that he's a hawk and can't morph, he's stuck in a relatively safe scouting and recon mode. It's not really a fair self assessment, given what he's done as part of the Animorphs so far....I mean, he took down a Yeerk supply ship. But still, it's something that's been bothering him, pretty visibily. quote:<You guys!> Cassie called down from above. <Stop chasing those Controllers! They’re setting up a trap. They’re leading you right between two bunches of bad guys!> Also, I'll point out here that what Cassie just did is what Tobias SHOULD have been doing; looking ahead and seeing the big picture, watching for Yeerk traps, but that he's not doing that, because, in his desire to feel useful, he's put himself in a situation, hitchhiking on Rachel, where he's really of no use at all right now. quote:She turned and started running in a new direction. She was like some big tank, and I was the hood ornament. It's everybody's good friend Visser Three! An Animorphs' book isn't complete until he shows up. Also, everybody's got two hearts but humans....Andalites have two hearts, Hork-Bajir have two hearts. I have no idea what the internal anatomy of Yeerks or Taxxons are, although Earth slugs have a single heart, and so do centipedes. Chapter 12 quote:Andalites always look like they’re right on the borderline between cute and dangerous. But with Visser Three, that line doesn’t even exist. Tobias is a red-tailed hawk. Swainson's Hawk is slightly smaller and lighter, but actually has a longer wingspan. They're also called grasshopper hawks or locust hawks, because they like to eat grasshoppers/locusts. quote:I flapped hard to gain altitude. Not too much, there wasn’t time. Just enough. Forty feet. Fifty feet. Sixty feet. Then … I folded my wings and plummeted toward the ground. So, regarding idiocy. I mean, it's good that he helped Ket Halpak get away. But this is yet another example of Tobias overcompensating by engaging in dangerous behavior.
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