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Why would the UK leaving the EU make foodstuffs completely unavailable? The UK will still trade with the EU, right? Lib and let die posted:Don't sweeter apples make for the best pickled apples? I mean there's a metric fuckton of varieties of apples, lots of heirloom and high sugar varieties are grown for juices and ciders, Red Delicious just look pretty, afaik no one uses them for anything besides "eatin' apples" things like Fujis, Empires and whatever new varietal the WA farmers came out with are all mainly used as "take a bite of this apple" apples, because they look nice and taste nice. E: uber_stoat posted:bread + tomato sauce + cheese = pizza. Making two little toaster-oven pepperoni pizzas with english muffins is a fuckin' pro-tier lunch or late-night snack, they have a pretty similar consistency to fast-food pizza crusts, cornmeal dusting and all. All you need is a jar of sauce, some cheese, and a little baggie of pepperoni, a slice of fresh tomato in place of the sauce is a nice variant too. Elviscat has a new favorite as of 02:10 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Elviscat posted:Why would the UK leaving the EU make foodstuffs completely unavailable? The UK will still trade with the EU, right? We are not quite sure about that, also the UK has no customs infrastructure because all of its trade comes through the EU and has hitherto required no customs checks at all, the government has neglected to do anything about it other than declaring most of Kent to be the EU side of the border and building a lot of big car parks for trucks. The actual customs lane on the UK side of the channel tunnel is apparently about three trucks long. The government still has not been able to negotiate any trading arrangement because they have spent the last several years arguing about fishing, which is apparently the only thing anyone cares about despite games workshop probably having a higher GDP contribution than the UK fishing industry. Current estimates are major trade disruptions once the transition period ends once 2021 starts. gently caress only knows if or how they will resolve them. So yes, food may become a problem depending on what happens, certainly food variety I would expect to suffer. Fortunately I like root vegetables and I think more or less everything I actually like eating is grown in the UK. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 02:17 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Dec 11, 2020 02:13
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Sealing our country off in a Bio-dome, to own the libs
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Iron Crowned posted:No, Indian food definitely belongs in this thread, it always looks off. I'm not probing you for this because I like you and because your experience might have been The Moon Monster posted:Indian food is great but there's a plenty of it that generally just looks like a pile of green-brown slime. if you want to malign an entire food culture you could at least have the courtesy to post photos (or, you know, not do that)
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Also the UK has had some noticeable crop failures the last few years so it's definitely a very good time to be pissing about with supplies from the continent. On the plus side for the thread it might lead to some more horrible british wartime cookery. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 02:21 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:We are not quite sure about that, also the UK has no customs infrastructure because all of its trade comes through the EU and has hitherto required no customs checks at all, the government has neglected to do anything about it other than declaring most of Kent to be the EU side of the border and building a lot of big car parks for trucks. The actual customs lane on the UK side of the channel tunnel is apparently about three trucks long. The government still has not been able to negotiate any trading arrangement because they have spent the last several years arguing about fishing, which is apparently the only thing anyone cares about despite games workshop probably having a higher GDP contribution than the UK fishing industry. Is it expected that some folks down in the southwest are going to embrace their ancestral folkways and start importing uncustomed goods in small boats?
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Elviscat posted:Making two little toaster-oven pepperoni pizzas with english muffins is a fuckin' pro-tier lunch or late-night snack, they have a pretty similar consistency to fast-food pizza crusts, cornmeal dusting and all. All you need is a jar of sauce, some cheese, and a little baggie of pepperoni, a slice of fresh tomato in place of the sauce is a nice variant too. Top 10 Stoner foods
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gleebster posted:Is it expected that some folks down in the southwest are going to embrace their ancestral folkways and start importing uncustomed goods in small boats? We can but hope, also the whole situation with Ireland is likely to become Interesting in a similar fashion, hopefully only that fashion rather than the other ways it has been historically Interesting.
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England: *has famine due to imported foods no longer being available and domestic supplies being insufficient* Ireland: Well well well
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OwlFancier posted:Also the UK has had some noticeable crop failures the last few years so it's definitely a very good time to be pissing about with supplies from the continent. It gets worse than chips and toast? Because that is A+ one of the most depressing meals I can think of. Like I've had cauliflower and a tiny amount of nasty, greasy buttered noodles for dinner before, and that still sounds better than chips and toast, like at least there was a vegetable.
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80 county Ireland isn't looking so bad honestly.
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Data Graham posted:England: *has famine due to imported foods no longer being available and domestic supplies being insufficient* Maybe if the English build some roads to nowhere, possibly starving to death in the process, to "earn" some food the Irish will help them out.
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Elviscat posted:It gets worse than chips and toast? Chips is US steak fries, mind. We grow lots of veg in the UK I dunno why they suggest "chips and toast" you wouldn't eat chips and toast together anyway unless you're some sort of freak, toast is for breakfast, chips is not. The UK does buy quite a lot of Irish food I think, I think a fair bit of the meat you can get is Irish and I assume probably a bunch of the veg is too. Frankly I think the UK should invent a way to grow sprouts year round. Take that brussels. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 02:34 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Don't you lie to me, I've heard rumors of a sandwich called a "chip buttie" that's just chips (fries) in a bun. I've even seen Gordon Ramsey cook one. More seriously, I can't imagine that this'll end up as anything more than maybe temporary shortages of certain produce and probably increased prices, like cargo ships exist, the UK and US are trading partners, and the latter is the world's largest producer of food for trade.
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Yes but you don't toast your chip butty you heathen. Also you should put sauce on it. Or gravy. Or curry. Or mushy peas. (I hope that the disruption is minimal but the UK government is absolutely staggeringly incompetent and malevolent in equal measure so it is entirely possible they will manage to starve a million people to death or something, domestically this time) ((more domestically than the last several times)) OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 02:48 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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more falafel please posted:It's more about storage than looks. Americans can not accept that food is seasonal. Look, I am not gonna accept ANY season without some goddamn tomatoes, full stop.
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PurpleXVI posted:Look, I am not gonna accept ANY season without some goddamn tomatoes, full stop. Good News!! 
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shaking my dang head if you don't have a stockpile of canned tomater products to rely on during this plague. tomatoes and beans, covers most of your bases right there.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:as opposed to every other liberal capitalist country, famously only eating produce in season. Well, we only do get red delicious apples maybe two times a year, so they seem to have harvesting seasons. And when we do they're my favorite apple by far.
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uber_stoat posted:shaking my dang head if you don't have a stockpile of canned tomater products to rely on during this plague. tomatoes and beans, covers most of your bases right there. Add rice and you're set. Months of different meals! Rice and beans. Rice and tomatoes. Rice and tomatoes and beans. Just beans. The combinations are literally endless.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Add rice and you're set. Months of different meals! Rice and beans. Rice and tomatoes. Rice and tomatoes and beans. Just beans. The combinations are literally endless. Don't forget other legumes, there are a million delicious lentil dishes courtesy of India, good source of protein. I have about 15 lbs of beans, lentils and rice sealed and stashed away, that plus the cans in the pantry and the spice rack should get me through any emergency worth getting through.
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OwlFancier posted:We are not quite sure about that, also the UK has no customs infrastructure because all of its trade comes through the EU and has hitherto required no customs checks at all, the government has neglected to do anything about it other than declaring most of Kent to be the EU side of the border and building a lot of big car parks for trucks. The actual customs lane on the UK side of the channel tunnel is apparently about three trucks long. The government still has not been able to negotiate any trading arrangement because they have spent the last several years arguing about fishing, which is apparently the only thing anyone cares about despite games workshop probably having a higher GDP contribution than the UK fishing industry. Do you not have customs architecture for stuff that comes from outside the EU, like asia and the americas? Cause if you need a particular wheat for pizza crusts or whatever we got you. Hey do you need any corn syrup? If you need corn syrup we loving got you.
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Buttchocks posted:Enigma at Emmenthaler Fault Sir! I see something! It's coming this way!!! SWSS SWSS SWSS
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 FOR JUST PENNIES A DAY YOU CAN SPONSER A POOR BRITISH CHILD LIVING WITHOUT CORN SYRUP.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Do you not have customs architecture for stuff that comes from outside the EU, like asia and the americas? Cause if you need a particular wheat for pizza crusts or whatever we got you. Hey do you need any corn syrup? If you need corn syrup we loving got you. They definitely do, when my ship would stop there we'd import all the food we'd load from the US. I don't know if it was customs or a matter of practicality, but we couldn't get American eggs in the UK, so we'd have to get them from local vendors, and it was the best thing ever, the eggs were much more flavorful, and they had the membrane intact, so we could store them in the bilges that were nice and cool for MONTHS, unlike washed American eggs that would spoil in a couple weeks, so you could get nice fresh eggs for breakfast instead of powdered eggs. Once we had to do a last minute food order and ALL the food we got was from the UK, and yeah, turns out they have much higher standards for "shittiest institutional food vendor" than the US does, it's nice getting bacon that thicker than the paper it's wrapped in, and beef and pork that aren't made of 75% gristle and fat. E: can't get more than like 30 loving jars of peanut butter though, rounding up enough peanut butter for a crew of 100 was an impossible task and we ran out of that poo poo in like a week. Elviscat has a new favorite as of 07:28 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Facebook Aunt posted:Do you not have customs architecture for stuff that comes from outside the EU, like asia and the americas? Cause if you need a particular wheat for pizza crusts or whatever we got you. Hey do you need any corn syrup? If you need corn syrup we loving got you. Something about how all other trade agreements had been established with the e.u. or whatever, so the brits have to re do every single intnl trade deal and they cant even start because they been sitting on their hands for four years. So those ports for asian imports probably had very lean offices because of cushy e.u. trade deals and policies that all go out the window is my impression
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In europe chickens have to be vaccinated against salmonella, while in America there is a different inspection/containment system (which doesn't work). Fortunately most chickens here are vaccinated anyway and egg salmonella infections were mostly a problem in the 90s. Anyway the different standards are why you can't import them.
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Boris Johnson was betting on a trade deal with the US. Cheeto Hitler is no longer there to dig him out of the Brexit hole, so now he's even more turbofucked. What I'm saying is eat the Tories then join back up.
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Yeah, I knew that much, but I also assumed we were subject to some sort of special import rules. Either way chicken eggs with the membrane are the superior choice, the eggs we got from the UK also had the nice, flavorful, deep golden colored yoke you get from feeding a chicken a diverse diet, vs the pale yellow, kinda bland yolk you see in cheapass American eggs. Kinda related, although I don't own chickens anymore, since I owned them I spend way more money on eggs, because only the best cage free open range chicken eggs you can get at the store resemble the eggs you get straight from the bum of a chicken that just wanders around all day eating bugs, grass, sometimes mice, the decaying corpses of other bird species, once accidentally mostly-chicken cat food you left out for the stray cat, the stray cat, a small puddle of motor oil you forgot to clean up, other chicken's poop, dog poop, various stones and other inedible objects, etc.
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gschmidl posted:Boris Johnson was betting on a trade deal with the US. Cheeto Hitler is no longer there to dig him out of the Brexit hole, so now he's even more turbofucked. The problem with that is they won't get as good a deal as they had before. In 1973 Britain was still a powerhouse and had a really strong bargaining position. At the time the EU had 7 members and snagging Britain was a big deal. Don't get me wrong Britain is still a wealthy and powerful country, but not in nearly as strong position if they come crawling back to the now 27 member EU.
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Bailing out of the UK 3 years ago and currently being 2 1/2 years away from European citizenship via a Luxembourgish passport is looking day by day the smartest move I ever made Edit: oh poo poo this isn't the UK thread. Erm, the food here is pretty boring but at least it's a hugely diverse country so I can buy anything I want from the supermarkets that cater to the international population? Butterfly Valley has a new favorite as of 11:12 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Well, the UK is going to learn the hard way an iron-fisted rule about trade. Geography matters a lot. The funniest thing to me is that the EU has an equivalence certification process for food imports. If they deem a country equivalent it can start exporting into the single market. The UK has steadfastly refused to tell the EU how their agricultural rules are going to evolve in the future so the EU can't certify equivalence. The UK is arguing that it is currently equivalent but the EU wants to know how the UK rules will look like in the future. The UK has said it wants to diverge after all. It's such an utter clusterfuck, it's amazing. Elviscat posted:Yeah, I knew that much, but I also assumed we were subject to some sort of special import rules. Either way chicken eggs with the membrane are the superior choice, the eggs we got from the UK also had the nice, flavorful, deep golden colored yoke you get from feeding a chicken a diverse diet, vs the pale yellow, kinda bland yolk you see in cheapass American eggs. Yanks seem to freak out a lot when they realise that German Mett is raw minced pork. To the undisguised amusement of Germans. 
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Antigravitas posted:Well, the UK is going to learn the hard way an iron-fisted rule about trade. Geography matters a lot. That's not all. Goods in Europe are often shipped on EUR-pallets, which are available to EU countries, exempt from various quarantine periods, and you can just leave your filled pallets at the destination and pick up any empty ones because they're all interchangeable and made to the same quality standards as enforced by EPAL. They're no longer available to the UK. There's other manufacturers that make identical, but uncertified, ones that are excluded from swapping and exemptions. I may be mis-remembering some details, but it's just another way of the UK shooting itself in the foot over the dumbest decision a Prime Minister who literally hosed a pig made.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Do you not have customs architecture for stuff that comes from outside the EU, like asia and the americas? Cause if you need a particular wheat for pizza crusts or whatever we got you. Hey do you need any corn syrup? If you need corn syrup we loving got you. A minimal amount because even most of that lands in Ireland or on the continent first, normally. Essentially the UK has traded for the last... forty years or however long it's been in, as just part of the EU, now it has to trade as an independent country and has made zero effort to figure out how to do that over the last four years and it starts in two weeks. Also does the US like, bleach all its eggs or something? OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 13:19 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:Also does the US like, bleach all its eggs or something? Just washes them, canada too. That way you don't get eggs that have a bit of poo or grass or something on them, reminding you that they came out of a chicken's butt. Unfortunately that washes the protective slime coat off. Mucus? Whatever. So then it becomes possible for salmonella bacteria to penetrate the shell. Other bacteria too, that's why they have to be refrigerated to prevent rot. We don't vaccinate our chickens against salmonella so it is very common and it's best to just assume every chicken is a carrier. All of which means it is not safe to eat raw eggs or undercooked chicken meat.
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RoboRodent posted:I'm eternally just in love with tofu puffs in stir fry. It's like savoury marshmallows. This is the exact texture problem I've had with tofu. I don't want to eat savory marshmallows, it really puts me off for some reason. Tofu doesn't taste bad, it just tastes like whatever you cook it with but the texture, ugh. It's too soft, even when you brown it. The only time it really works for me is in miso or hot and sour soup because you hardly notice it's there. Side note, there's a vegan Indian restaurant near my work that makes the best hot and sour soup I've ever had in my life. Unlike any other Chinese style I've had, it's actually very hot and very sour and just full of diced veggies. I took a sip, then literally spent 20 minutes drinking it straight from the container while my mouth was on fire because I couldn't stop.
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The US is going to colonize the UK and it will rule. Scotland will be three states, England will be one.
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empty sea posted:This is the exact texture problem I've had with tofu. I don't want to eat savory marshmallows, it really puts me off for some reason. Tofu doesn't taste bad, it just tastes like whatever you cook it with but the texture, ugh. It's too soft, even when you brown it. The only time it really works for me is in miso or hot and sour soup because you hardly notice it's there. deep fry is soln
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