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Elviscat posted:Authoritarian Communist governments also tend to be pretty inequitable, maybe your parents are subversive anti-communists and your friend's parents are Party Members in good standing. 
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Elviscat posted:Yeah, sounds pretty derivative to me. 
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for those with new graphics cards on your christmas lists: an important comparison
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Doc Hawkins posted:for those with new graphics cards on your christmas lists: an important comparison
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AMD also has twice as many Xs.
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Doc Hawkins posted:for those with new graphics cards on your christmas lists: an important comparison Green means good, red means bad. Apparently AMD is a tall amount of bad and Nvidia is a short amount of good. What a very Christmasy chart!
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dr_rat posted:Green means good, red means bad. Apparently AMD is a tall amount of bad and Nvidia is a short amount of good. Red makes it faster!
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Nenonen posted:Red makes it faster! Waaagh, Mr Bond
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Antigravitas posted:It does not have those things, but the soundscape of the ships feels sublime. The ships feel like you have an actual engine working somewhere, it's great. The only thing I actually enjoy about the game is moving the throttle on my HOTAS and feeling the response. How good a game it is depends entirely on how deeply you can get into space truckin' and repetitive combat, but it absolutely has the best sound design of any game ever and I can't think of anything else that even comes close.
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Doc Hawkins posted:for those with new graphics cards on your christmas lists: an important comparison Shouldn't have thrown out my 8800GTX
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Doc Hawkins posted:for those with new graphics cards on your christmas lists: an important comparison Well, it's not wrong.
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evobatman posted:Shouldn't have thrown out my 8800GTX My 11 year-old 9600 GT looking pretty good right now.
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Hobnob posted:My 11 year-old 9600 GT looking pretty good right now. I'm gonna buy a 10900k and jam it into my PCI-E slot somehow
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https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1338789347001249792?s=21 40% of the British public doesn’t get how the monarchy works.
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AKA "no statistically significant difference since last poll but we wouldn't have a job if we didn't make a press release anyway". To their credit, they do publish the full data set as an Excel sheet. And they did remove the per-party breakdown from the interactive viz for tiny segments of respondents (SNP voters, with only 50 of them). Hippie Hedgehog has a new favorite as of 14:40 on Dec 16, 2020 |
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1338789347001249792?s=21 Given that Charles' grand-uncle stood down because of his inappropriate relationship and his brother became king instead, I think there's precedent for the crown to skip someone because no one wants them and their wife on the throne.
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thekeeshman posted:Given that Charles' grand-uncle stood down because of his inappropriate relationship and his brother became king instead, I think there's precedent for the crown to skip someone because no one wants them and their wife on the throne. There is also precedent for murdering English Kings called Charles.
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Historically, it it was clear that the heir was a fuckup, the body politic had a way of shutting that whole thing down.
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gently caress off, ethicists. The problem is that A+ is not better than A, something that none of you (as quoted by Wikipedia) identified. It is better for people to be alive than dead. It does not follow that it is better for people to be alive than never born. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 17:25 on Dec 16, 2020 |
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I think it is predicated on the line "It is also stipulated that the lives of the members of each group are good enough that it is better for them to be alive than for them to not exist." Which, uh, is a big assumption, IMO.
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That's a pretty bad graph. And yeah, the ethical assumption that goes into that paradox is that "More people who are happy are better than fewer people" which is a dubious utility function. I've been increasingly a deontologist, and that's just the lamest, most purely hypothetical kind of objection to utilitarianism. If that's the level real ethical philosophy is operating on, we're loving doomed. While we're on the subject, utility monsters are also a dumb concept, as it treats utility as an unbounded function with an infinite maximum, which is just completely at odds with human experience of happiness, satisfaction, freedom, whatever measure of utility you want.
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The sky is blue, the ground green, and we assume the sky and ground are the same colour... and yet... my god
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I vaguely remember one of the Rationalists unironically proposing massive rat farms which keep the rats packed as tightly as possible and drugged into happiness as a way of improving the universe.
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But where’s the last line?
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ikanreed posted:
I have tended to think this way myself but then you have someone like Trump who would absolutely do literally anything to continuously increase (for example) the crowd size at his rallys I'm not sure there's a practical upper bound to either the harm he is willing to cause or his ever-increasing need for more narcissistic supply There is obviously a physical limit in the universe etc which does still argue against a true infinite utility monster though
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Trump killed an average of forty people each time he held a rally, and that was the statistics for summer.
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The Bloop posted:I have tended to think this way myself but then you have someone like Trump who would absolutely do literally anything to continuously increase (for example) the crowd size at his rallys Yes but there is a practical upper bound to his ability to feel happiness, so the utilitarian solution would just be to pump him full of morphine or something.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I vaguely remember one of the Rationalists unironically proposing massive rat farms which keep the rats packed as tightly as possible and drugged into happiness as a way of improving the universe.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I vaguely remember one of the Rationalists unironically proposing massive rat farms which keep the rats packed as tightly as possible and drugged into happiness as a way of improving the universe. This is a preliminary clinical trial? Where do I sign up?
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I vaguely remember one of the Rationalists unironically proposing massive rat farms which keep the rats packed as tightly as possible and drugged into happiness as a way of improving the universe. Well they are called RATionalists! 
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The Bloop posted:I have tended to think this way myself but then you have someone like Trump who would absolutely do literally anything to continuously increase (for example) the crowd size at his rallys Utility monsters are real But while the theory assumes (as e.g. Nozick) that they are the insatiable masses, in reality they are the billionaires, the only creatures on Earth for whom utility isn't driven by any concrete needs, but by an abstract necessity to perform a function that exists entirely separate from themselves.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes but there is a practical upper bound to his ability to feel happiness, so the utilitarian solution would just be to pump him full of morphine or something. Personal happiness has nothing todo with it, Trump and similar are just working the wheels of a mechanism that goes way beyond them and generates a need for artificial "utility" in a constant feedback loop. Lots of them are probably getting progressively more miserable on a human level the more they succeed. Basically, Veblen was right and also the logic of capitalism necessitates this as well.
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A utility monster isn't just someone who will never be satisfied with what they have, it's a hypothetical person/alien/robot who is capable of experiencing gigantic quantities of happiness such that a utilitarian would say that their vast happiness outweighs the misery of everyone else
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Utility monsters are above all a reminder that any value accounting system will have people who are vastly more valuable. This applies to value seeking where the monster just gets tons more out of things, and harm avoiding where an absolutely broken down monster demands the attention of the whole world to mitigate. You can collar the monsters with a requirement that all human experience is generally relatable or bound by certain biological and physical factors, but this doesn't get rid of the idea that they will demand extra out of any accounting system. This... Isn't entirely a bad thing especially in harm avoiding reckoning?
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Look, it's very simple. Assume that happiness is a sphere....
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Qwertycoatl posted:A utility monster isn't just someone who will never be satisfied with what they have, it's a hypothetical person/alien/robot who is capable of experiencing gigantic quantities of happiness such that a utilitarian would say that their vast happiness outweighs the misery of everyone else Yeah that's the thing, people who act like that are not actually maximising utility, they're doing the opposite, because they are not capable of correctly deciding what utility is or probably more specifically, recognizing that other people's utility is real and their perceived utility is not.
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On the flip side would the net increase to human happiness outweigh the misery if everyone was allowed to take a bat to a monster like Remember when Paris Hilton got arrested and the internet absolutely lost their poo poo? Did her misery result in a net increase to human history?
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This graph causes a net loss to overall happiness.
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