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Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Bobstar posted:

But I also find that weird about the way some people use Facebook. Before I ditched it, it only contained people I knew in real life (plus one guy from here, and two people who share my name because we added each other in the early days of Facebook). People who I knew, but posted horrible right-wing takes got defriended or unfollowed. So I don't think I had the full political Facebook experience.
It's changed a lot since it was primarily about friends - Facebook now shows you posts your friends like / replied to, recommends you pages and groups (groups are absolutely the worst for radicalisation, especially private groups), and has a 'stories' feature which is a compromise features for attention whores who want to make absolutely sure that everyone on their contact list sees their latest pyramid scheme motivational.

Ads are now only a very small part of how facebook manipulates it's users. And it does manipulate them, as this volcano-lair level experiment in evil revealled.

At the moment mine shows me a LOT of resin tables, which i actually like watching, especially the final stage where they buff the yellow stuff over it and it goes shiny. It's very satisfying, but I'm pretty sure they're up to something and the resin is hypnotising me to be racist and buy things.

E: nice

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Having just seen some Corbyn posts on Facebook just now I reckon it'll be something environmental tomorrow.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

therattle posted:

Ok, so what are some non-terrible countries? I am not asking facetiously. Or is that the wrong question because all are bad albeit in different ways? I’d still think that some were better than others though. Is that contentious?

I don't think you're asking that trollishly, I have asked it trollishly in the past, and there's no good answer. The immediate impulse is something like Guam, Guam hasn't caused much harm, but that is so clearly a consequence of limited ability to impose harm outside its borders that it's actually only harmless in the pathetic sense of the word, there's no meaningful model for Good there. So then you think somewhere like Bolivia, resisting capitalist imperialism and maintaining the soc dem line to benefit its poor, sounds good but it's also ethnonationalist nativism and state capitalism with no regard to negative externalities outside its own borders, so if we're saying Bolivia is good we logically have to greenlight literally every rich country with a welfare state. So if we're talking welfare then we need to think 'oh lifting people out of poverty is good', so now we're absolutely on the pro-China train which feels wierd but why does it feel wierd and wrong to say China is good? It can only be explained by principles and liberalism, which surely do mean something just ask the people suffering without them, but now you're just hosed, there are no logical answers possible anymore because it's an impossibly complicated calculation.

Continuity NIP posted:

We should be ruthlessly critical of our own countries because we can, in theory, change them

While it's nice to have a fellow traveller on the pragmatic nationalism train, take a seat anywhere there's literally only two of us, the ruthless criticism really does need to be kept internal/amongst friends. Ruthless sharp-minded objective criticism of your own country that's coherently relative to other countries is legit impossible to do, you aren't that smart, so you'll usually just end up being that boring oval office slagging off the UK, looking like a mean-spirited twat and getting owned by one of the many, many examples of how the UK is actually pretty great compared to most of the world.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Bobby Deluxe posted:

It's changed a lot since it was primarily about friends - Facebook now shows you posts your friends like / replied to, recommends you pages and groups (groups are absolutely the worst for radicalisation, especially private groups), and has a 'stories' feature which is a compromise features for attention whores who want to make absolutely sure that everyone on their contact list sees their latest pyramid scheme motivational.

Just a moan more than anything, but this sort of thing is what is driving me off twitter. I had it nicely curated to people, things and info I wanted to read about and interact with. Now it's clogged up with tweets from accounts that I don't follow but people I follow do, tweets that other people that I follow have liked, from accounts that twitter thinks I would like, and in an order that it thinks is the most important. Sometimes the tweet at the top of my timeline can be several days old. Plus because it's now algorithm driven, it assumes that if you don't interact with a tweet in some way you never want to see it again. Scroll past it but think you might want to look at it later? Gone. Mis-use the back button on the browser? Gone. Not to mention how everything's de-generated into massive threads with sub-threads and comments stacked within them. And every time you fire up twitter you have one or two 'notifications' (which used to be your dopamine hit that someone was talking to/about you....) which are just twitter telling you that someone, somewhere has tweeted something.

It's a new form of :corsair: - "I remember when this was all fields 140-character micro-blogs from people I'd chosen to follow shown on a linear timeline..."

BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 13, 2020

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
I don't really mind if people think I'm being overly critical of the United Kingdom as I'm a member of a party that wants to get out of it

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
I like to read some of the tweets i see linked on these forums but actually having a Twitter account sounds miserable

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I continue to be happy that I do not have any social media account more modern than a vbulletin board.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Nobody has (credibly) linked any video game - even Depression Quest - with actual literal crimes against humanity though.

The free-to-play propaganda game America's Army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59mAtrmEGA that released on the 4th of July following the 9/11 attacks increased enrollment into the US military enough that the game is still being supported over a decade later, it has absolutely led to war crimes happening

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

Vitamin P posted:

The free-to-play propaganda game America's Army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59mAtrmEGA that released on the 4th of July following the 9/11 attacks increased enrollment into the US military enough that the game is still being supported over a decade later, it has absolutely led to war crimes happening

More recently they've been targetting teenagers on Twitch with fake giveaways and recruitment streams.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I like to read some of the tweets i see linked on these forums but actually having a Twitter account sounds miserable
Every twitter user has two wolves inside them; the voracious desire to be heard, and an actual IRL wolf snout deep in your intestines, unleashed on you by a right wing psychopath who saw your Corbyn tweet.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I'm actually quite a big deal on twitter.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

blunt posted:

More recently they've been targetting teenagers on Twitch with fake giveaways and recruitment streams.

Didn't the "us army esports team" basically get laughed off the platform lol?

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

OwlFancier posted:

Didn't the "us army esports team" basically get laughed off the platform lol?

Yes, that's what the link is about.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
All of this was foretold in 1990s Robin Williams film Toys

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Continuity NIP posted:

I don't really mind if people think I'm being overly critical of the United Kingdom as I'm a member of a party that wants to get out of it

There seems to be a fine-but-firm line between the ironic funny poster nippers and the wierdo actual nippers, if we have an actual blood and soil nipper in you then that's gonna be a lot of fun you should post more.

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I like to read some of the tweets i see linked on these forums but actually having a Twitter account sounds miserable

Yeah having A Twitter Account seems miserable as gently caress but it is the best platform imaginable to have multiple accounts on. Having any part of your personal status or career or self-esteem be tied to a twitter acount looks like hell, but using it to easily have an in to literally every wierd subculture or political viewpoint that exists is amazing.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/metaplexmovies/status/1337525600882450432?s=20

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Vitamin P posted:

There seems to be a fine-but-firm line between the ironic funny poster nippers and the wierdo actual nippers, if we have an actual blood and soil nipper in you then that's gonna be a lot of fun you should post more.



I don't know where you got blood and soil from mate, that's weird

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i joined the NIP gently caress england imo

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


blunt posted:

More recently they've been targetting teenagers on Twitch with fake giveaways and recruitment streams.

Of course with such a great idea the UK wouldn't want to be left out:

BBC News - Call of Duty: US and British military go head to head

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/LabourList/status/1337457123555487747?s=19

You've got to laugh, don't you?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Vitamin P posted:

There seems to be a fine-but-firm line between the ironic funny poster nippers and the wierdo actual nippers, if we have an actual blood and soil nipper in you then that's gonna be a lot of fun you should post more.


I mean they're trying to do something. Why is that so funny to you?

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Continuity NIP posted:

I don't really mind if people think I'm being overly critical of the United Kingdom as I'm a member of a party that wants to get out of it

It's just a shame what else they stand for
https://twitter.com/Rumda/status/1337943493113761795?s=19

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm sure he's going to be offering something solid and cogent as to why we should all be behind him. Something that resonates with ordinary working class concerns without being fringe or divisive, like free at the point of use domestic water, that's a good one during a global pandemic. Or the wider rural concern that all the private entities that managed those water boards have left England without a single safe river to swim or fish in, that sounds like a working class resonance that the metropolitan elite have ignored. Any minute now he's going to throw out some solid commitments, I just know it. Some kind of real world concern about drinking and heating and washing from someone that doesn't swim in a var of piss.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
E: nah

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

I'm sure he's going to be offering something solid and cogent as to why we should all be behind him. Something that resonates with ordinary working class concerns without being fringe or divisive, like free at the point of use domestic water, that's a good one during a global pandemic. Or the wider rural concern that all the private entities that managed those water boards have left England without a single safe river to swim or fish in, that sounds like a working class resonance that the metropolitan elite have ignored. Any minute now he's going to throw out some solid commitments, I just know it. Some kind of real world concern about drinking and heating and washing from someone that doesn't swim in a var of piss.

Every working man in Great Britain gets to shag 1 nuke a year.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I don't think I want to shag a nuke that a million other people have shagged.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think I want to shag a nuke that a million other people have shagged.

How attractive is the nuke

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


which one is luke akehurst?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Nuke akehurst.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think I want to shag a nuke that a million other people have shagged.

We'll have to build more nukes then!

Communist Thoughts posted:

which one is luke akehurst?

The radioactive baked bean of a man who went from working as a PR man for weapons manufactures to being a weird permanent fixture of the Labour right. Never got to be an MP. Somehow got to be on the NEC twice. People have been asking him to gently caress off and join the tories since at least 2006. Constantly trying to push for more wars/bombings/genocide. A horrifically evil little man who is the unmasked face of the Labour right.

He gets really mad if you threaten to drown him in a Var of piss.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

So what's the deal with the NIP suspending their diversity and inclusion officer?

Seems bad

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Tarnop posted:

So what's the deal with the NIP suspending their diversity and inclusion officer?

Seems bad

I posted tweets about it above as one of the trans people suspended for talking about the party leader being against no platforming Nazis and TERFs.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Setting new records in the minor left party speedrun category.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Rumda posted:

I posted tweets about it above as one of the trans people suspended for talking about the party leader being against no platforming Nazis and TERFs.

The apology tweet that you mentioned also seems to have been deleted. If you don't mind talking about it, what were the contents of the deleted tweets? I looked through a few discussion threads and couldn't find screenshots.

Please don't take this as me not believing you BTW. I've mentioned the NIP to a few friends and if they now need to be warned off them I'd like to be able to provide some details.

Tarnop fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Dec 13, 2020

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

The Northern Socialist Party is.... Bad?

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

I’m not sure Nolan is right about that. Residuals are not paid on theatrical revenues, only from TV, DVD, SVOD etc. New rates for these new methods of exploitation have been agreed already. It may the case that residuals on a straight to VOD production are lower than on a theatrically-led film (I’m not sure) but there are definitely still residuals and pension, health and welfare payments payable on them.

Correction: for the budget levels we are talking about residuals for New Media productions are the same as theatrical (at least for SAG). I don';t know about IATSE but I'd imagine they also get residuals on New Media productions.

therattle fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Dec 13, 2020

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

kecske posted:

download Awful app, phone posting is the one true path

Holy poo poo never a wronger thing has been posted.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I am using the app! It's just these titchy screen keyboards are not suited for my fat fingers. I'm a touch typist in real life so this hunt and peck or swish and swipe kills me.

A real computer with a proper keyboard is the only way. A phone in my world is for posting short simple messages when you can't wait to get home. Ugh at the idea of typing this on a phone.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Tarnop posted:

The apology tweet that you mentioned also seems to have been deleted. If you don't mind talking about it, what were the contents of the deleted tweets? I looked through a few discussion threads and couldn't find screenshots.

Please don't take this as me not believing you BTW. I've mentioned the NIP to a few friends and if they now need to be warned off them I'd like to be able to provide some details.
It started as a post pointing out how southerners see the north as especially racist when most of the big racist and fascist leaders were southerners. Then some unknown person posted from the official 'in fact have any racist party come from the north' swept up in things, which was pointed out as denialism. The apology condemned Nazis utterly but the party leader said it was making too much of a point of no platforming which he says doesn't work

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.
Effort posting from your phone only for it to take 20 mins and the thread to have moved on.

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Never effort post.

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