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Rumda posted:It started as a post pointing out how southerners see the north as especially racist when most of the big racist and fascist leaders were southerners. Then some unknown person posted from the official 'in fact have any racist party come from the north' swept up in things, which was pointed out as denialism. The apology condemned Nazis utterly but the party leader said it was making too much of a point of no platforming which he says doesn't work Sorry Rumda, this is totally incoherent (to me at least), and I still have no idea what on earth happened.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Holy poo poo never a wronger thing has been posted. look at the monopoly man here who both owns a desktop computer and also has enough spare space at home to have a dedicated desk to sit at
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Well that's just code for 'actually attends a meeting about it' isn't It?
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I watched the NIP thing happen on Slack a couple of days ago and tbh it was an enormous kerfuffle over very little. The NIP made a tweet saying that no notable fascist organisations started in the North (questionable) which turned into a lot of replies pointing out ones that did. The tweet was deleted and an apology issued because it looks like turning a blind eye to problems, which is all fair enough. Then followed a big argument about whether the tweet should have been deleted at all and it all went mad after a couple of people arrived at the conclusion that leaving the tweet up would have somehow been platforming nazis. So a whole ‘no platforming’ debate happened that wasn’t even relevant, the founder questioned the effectiveness of no platforming, the couple of members kicked off in greater measure and eventually got themselves suspended from Slack (but not the party, note). Should not that the founder wasn’t completely opposed to no platform as a policy, just that he wasn’t sure and didn’t want significant party policy decisions being made on-the-fly with no discussion It’s all very silly and not a great start. Noxville fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Wasn't Drax a Bond villain? Research reveals that not only was Drax the villain from Moonraker but was also named after Fleming's friend Reginald Drax (or, more correctly, Admiral Sir Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax, KCB, DSO, JP, DL), MP Richard Drax's father. therattle fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Dec 13, 2020 10:27
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Reminder that it would have been cheaper in both cash and lives lost to arm the slaves in Jamaica in exchange for an alliance with Sam Sharpe instead of paying off the enslavers, but some of those lives lost would have been rich whites.
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Noxville posted:I watched the NIP thing happen on Slack a couple of days ago and tbh it was an enormous kerfuffle over very little. The NIP made a tweet saying that no notable fascist organisations started in the North (questionable) which turned into a lot of replies pointing out ones that did. The tweet was deleted and an apology issued because it looks like turning a blind eye to problems, which is all fair enough. Then followed a big argument about whether the tweet should have been deleted at all and it all went mad after a couple of people arrived at the conclusion that leaving the tweet up would have somehow been platforming nazis. So a whole ‘no platforming’ debate happened that wasn’t even relevant, the founder questioned the effectiveness of no platforming, the couple of members kicked off in greater measure and eventually got themselves suspended from Slack (but not the party, note) That clears it up, thanks. OwlFancier's comment about the leftist party speed run is spot on. Do fringe right wing parties have these sorts of petty internecine conflicts but in reverse?
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The Perfect Element posted:That clears it up, thanks. Aren't most fringe right wing parties astro-turf creations by billionare cunts.
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The Perfect Element posted:That clears it up, thanks. keep punching joe posted:Aren't most fringe right wing parties astro-turf creations by billionare cunts. Yes and yes. Right wingers are all messy bitches who all hate each other and desperately grab for power and routinely implode. See Pauline Hanson's entire career, Night of the Wrong Wives, etc. They need constant astroturf just to stay in any kind of focus.
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The Perfect Element posted:That clears it up, thanks. Virtually all the minor parties you see on an election form are right wing, are off shoots of each other and all hate each other.
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Hey I'm given to understand you're the thread resident pharma expert (or one of them) so i gotta question. Why do I gotta take a d3 supplement "with lunch" but I gotta take levothyroxine "before breakfast". I read the pamphlets but they say nothing and Google tells me nothing either
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Gonzo McFee posted:Never effort post. All posts are effort posts until you discover Awful App™
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The downside is that while liberals tend to see left-wing third parties as excuses to go further right, tories desperately try to appease and reabsorb right-wing parties and go further to the right.
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Noxville posted:I watched the NIP thing happen on Slack a couple of days ago and tbh it was an enormous kerfuffle over very little. The NIP made a tweet saying that no notable fascist organisations started in the North (questionable) which turned into a lot of replies pointing out ones that did. The tweet was deleted and an apology issued because it looks like turning a blind eye to problems, which is all fair enough. Then followed a big argument about whether the tweet should have been deleted at all and it all went mad after a couple of people arrived at the conclusion that leaving the tweet up would have somehow been platforming nazis. So a whole ‘no platforming’ debate happened that wasn’t even relevant, the founder questioned the effectiveness of no platforming, the couple of members kicked off in greater measure and eventually got themselves suspended from Slack (but not the party, note). Should not that the founder wasn’t completely opposed to no platform as a policy, just that he wasn’t sure and didn’t want significant party policy decisions being made on-the-fly with no discussion JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Hey I'm given to understand you're the thread resident pharma expert (or one of them) so i gotta question. Some of it is just legacy stuff but stomach contents massive affect absorption of drugs
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The Laura k tweet is dire but it's worth remembering the real reason for brexit https://twitter.com/DeadCatBrigade/status/1338058665572655104?s=19
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The Perfect Element posted:That clears it up, thanks. Yeah but it's normally about sex drama rather than doctrinal conflict - the EDL imploded over the whole "EDL Angels" thing (I've no idea about the details but from a safe distance the whole thing was like Macbeth being played out on the Jeremy Kyle show), there was the Night of Wrong Wives in the Traditional Workers Party in the US, and we won't even get into the Proud Boys (I'll leave the obvious joke to someone else).
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Phone posting is quick and easy, get with the times and learn 2 swipe, grandpa.
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I prefer to keep my telephone and home computer as separate concerns  I answer the telephone like a decent godfear'n person hello crispix, crispixtown, ohthree SIXthree?
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it's v worth clicking through this just for that last anecdote here it is, for collective convenience:  maybe related: this was a fun read from a while back: https://abe-winter.github.io/book/review/2020/06/04/dictators-army.html
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I dictate my posts to my butler, he sorts out all the forums business as I simply can't afford to get hand cramp or dry finger
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I post from both The app is very good LOL lmao at the cavepeople who are like "but how do you type a long post with your thumbs?"
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Rumda posted:They also suspended the inclusion and diversity co-ordindiantor and fired her husband as secretary for her actions. I suppose it depends on whose word you take, but apparently she was using his phone to access his Slack admin pers missions during her suspension. I understand she was upset at pushback on whether no platforming should be a party policy (and I fully agree that it’s necessary when dealing with fascists) but she was working herself into tears on being told that a contentious policy couldn’t be decided on by a single member in a social media post with no consultation with anyone else. IIRC the admin was only going to put a pin in things for a day to let everyone calm down but I guess that didn’t happen
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namesake posted:Well that's just code for 'actually attends a meeting about it' isn't It? Look at this person who thinks Boris will attend a meeting. He'll do nothing, as always.
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Rumda posted:Some of it is just legacy stuff but stomach contents massive affect absorption of drugs Some drugs are destroyed by stomach acids and so need to be taken on an empty stomach (they're normally coated to stop residual acids getting to them), or cause nausea so it's safer to take them on an empty stomach. There's also stuff like - because the duodenum absorbs things much more quickly than the stomach - if you want the maximum possible dose to hit the system all at once you coat it and take it before a meal so the maximum amount of drug hits the duodenum at once or conversely if you want it absorbed more slowly you don't coat it and take it after a meal so it passes into the system more slowly. A lot of the time it doesn't actually matter, but generally if a drug has specific instructions on when and how you should take it it's a good idea to follow them - the one thing that baffles me is that aspirin and ibuprofen don't have DO NOT TAKE ON AN EMPTY STOMACH in giant flashing red letters on every single pill*. Both drugs (aspirin considerably more than ibuprofen) irritate the stomach lining and reduce the clotting ability of blood - if they get lodged in the stomach they can cause a fatal GI bleed. My mum lost 4 pints(!) of blood this way and if she hadn't already been in hospital for something else she'd have definitely died. * admittedly the LEDs and batteries required to do this would have their own dangers
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crispix posted:I prefer to keep my telephone and home computer as separate concerns Pissflaps alt unmasked at last
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Noxville posted:I suppose it depends on whose word you take, but apparently she was using his phone to access his Slack admin pers missions during her suspension. One there is no evidence of that actually happening, and two the party deciding policy by a single member is exactly what Philip was doing by saying that we should debate Nazis and TERFs, third the conversation was left for a day then it started up again and the admins came down hard on minority members expressing concern. A leftist party not offering a platform for Nazis should be a given not up for debate. Especially when I specifically asked if this was the case before I offered support and was given assurance that it was.
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Jedit posted:Look at this person who thinks Boris will attend a meeting. He'll do nothing, as always. Hey meetings are the perfect place to do nothing, but Johnson requires making an effort to go to a meeting to do nothing.
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Niric posted:Pissflaps alt unmasked at last You take that back right now!!! Take it back 
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crispix posted:How long after no deal announcement do we get the obligatory guardian article saying it's actually maybe a good thing, actually No they'll say this is the worst possible outcome and a horrible reflection on Corbyns Labour Party for not being strong enough opposition to stop it.
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namesake posted:No they'll say this is the worst possible outcome and a horrible reflection on Corbyns Labour Party for not being strong enough opposition to stop it. Which is around 30% true. If Corbyn had been a stronger leader he would have purged the likes of Hoey and Mann in 2017. Without them, the vote forcing the government to keep us in the Single Market passes. Boris probably still calls a GE in late 2019 so he can apply the principle of no government binding its successor, but he has to do it specifically so we can exit the EU with no deal (or break the deal we've already agreed). I'm not sure that has the same outcome as the election to "Get Brexit Done", and even if it does then he loses his capacity to blame the EU for the fallout.
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Jedit posted:Which is around 30% true. If Corbyn had been a stronger leader he would have purged the likes of Hoey and Mann in 2017. Without them, the vote forcing the government to keep us in the Single Market passes. Boris probably still calls a GE in late 2019 so he can apply the principle of no government binding its successor, but he has to do it specifically so we can exit the EU with no deal (or break the deal we've already agreed). I'm not sure that has the same outcome as the election to "Get Brexit Done", and even if it does then he loses his capacity to blame the EU for the fallout. That's absolutely not the line the Guardian would use though lol Also that arc is only visible with hindsight - while the right was openly wrecking from the start it wasn't clear that driving them out wouldn't result in mutual destruction until the 2017 GE which gave Corbynite Labour enough internal drive to keep it going until 2019. Hopefully the left has learned the right lessions now but it's not fair to say it was obvious at the time. No excuses post 2017 though apart from weakness and lack of drive and vision from the Labour left which is still loving them now.
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kecske posted:look at the monopoly man here who both owns a desktop computer and also has enough spare space at home to have a dedicated desk to sit at The secret is to live so far north in a place with low enough population density that stuff like space is cheap.
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namesake posted:Hopefully the left has learned the right lessions now Hahahahahahahahhahahahhahhhahahah Oh you're being serious? Let me laugh louder Hahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahbabababbababahbabsbsbsb
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