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Destroying a party before its even started over whether or not to not platform nazis which the north does not by definition have. 1971 - Rolls-Royce goes bankrupt and is nationalised, decimalization, starbucks founded, melinda messenger born Aaaaand deadline extended. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:which the north does not by definition have. Pardon?
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Rumda posted:They also suspended the inclusion and diversity co-ordindiantor and fired her husband as secretary for her actions. He's still secretary
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Josef bugman posted:Pardon? That New Yorker cover except everything beyond the Angel of the North is just "Nazis"
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kecske posted:look at the monopoly man here who both owns a desktop computer and also has enough spare space at home to have a dedicated desk to sit at I'mma blow your mind, but I have a desktop, a laptop (and a prototype set top TV box) and three desks as my home office environment 
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Josef bugman posted:Pardon? Unless I misunderstood, the quarrel was sparked by someone posting from their twitter account that there are no, and have never been any, fascists from the North.
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Noxville posted:I suppose it depends on whose word you take, but apparently she was using his phone to access his Slack admin pers missions during her suspension. I'll be honest, I doubt it's your intention but it's really coming off as you not taking this particularly seriously. I've had enough of left-wing parties throwing minority voices under the bus at the first opportunity, that's why I left the loving Labour party. This situation stinks to high heaven
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ey up compo what's tha doin wi that torch and banner, bah gum
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Lol this is an Adam Smith institute goon https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1338078924333592578?s=19
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Continuity NIP posted:He's still secretary Really because last night he told me he had been kicked out of the committee
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mfcrocker posted:I'll be honest, I doubt it's your intention but it's really coming off as you not taking this particularly seriously. I've had enough of left-wing parties throwing minority voices under the bus at the first opportunity, that's why I left the loving Labour party. I’ve only been trying to relay what I see of the situation, and in retrospect yeah, I’ve not been taking it seriously enough. It initially seemed like a nuclear escalation of a minor issue of process but I didn’t stop to think about how the levels of persecution that some minorities are under would leave them to fear for what they’d thought was a safe haven. Really sorry.
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mfcrocker posted:I'll be honest, I doubt it's your intention but it's really coming off as you not taking this particularly seriously. I've had enough of left-wing parties throwing minority voices under the bus at the first opportunity, that's why I left the loving Labour party. How are you getting that from his post? Things never got past ‘talking on social media’ stages. You didn’t leave labour because of the mere possibility that Keir’s regime was maybe might be poo poo. Edit: well this is awkward. To be clear I’m focusing on the perception that he wasn’t taking it seriously. I appreciate that the situation is tense and that this country is a dumpster fire of TERFs and worse. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Vitamin P posted:The free-to-play propaganda game America's Army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59mAtrmEGA that released on the 4th of July following the 9/11 attacks increased enrollment into the US military enough that the game is still being supported over a decade later, it has absolutely led to war crimes happening If it was routine and common for people to kill for fun, then trends in mass entertainment media would no doubt influence who and how they killed. In reality, the kind of serial killer who genuinely kills for entertainment are vanishingly rare. So long as that stays the case, there is nothing to influence, so whether it hypothetically would or wouldn’t is irrelevant. In contrast, people kill for political reasons in mass numbers, with a lot of decade-by-decade, country-by-country variation. So what is popular and successful in political media has a lot more potential to do harm, or indeed good. Politics matters. Whether any particular tactic like censorship will be effective is a tactical discussion, and one not symmetrical with respect to right and wrong. There are couple of intersections of those two things. One is where special forces units (recently the Australian SAS), who are supposed to be killing people for political reasons, sometimes slip out of political control and kill for fun. The other is rape, which does happen at much greater numbers than non-economic, non-political murder. And so media that would tend to promote it is, these days, generally formally and informally censored. Whether or not that is an optimally effective tactic in achieving the goal of less rape is a valid discussion,; whether or not it potentially has an effect really isn’t.
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Noxville posted:I’ve only been trying to relay what I see of the situation, and in retrospect yeah, I’ve not been taking it seriously enough. It initially seemed like a nuclear escalation of a minor issue of process but I didn’t stop to think about how the levels of persecution that some minorities are under would leave them to fear for what they’d thought was a safe haven. Really sorry. Before I even offered support let alone joined I asked and was assured that they rejected TERFs entirely. So imagine how I felt when the party leader no less said he wouldn't even no platform Nazis so unless he considers Nazis lesser than TERFs (which is a massive red flag to begin with) that is going directly against the assurances which got me to join in the first place.
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Well, that's a shame re: the NIP. I was debating joining but I'll hold off and see how they handle this. Hopefully they can learn where they hosed up and actually make a sincere retraction. If they don't, I doubt the party has legs.
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Rumda posted:Really because last night he told me he had been kicked out of the committee He's still secretary.
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Regarde Aduck posted:How are you getting that from his post? Things never got past ‘talking on social media’ stages. You didn’t leave labour because of the mere possibility that Keir’s regime was maybe might be poo poo. I left the second his election was confirmed because I knew it would be because I can recognise red flags.
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Welp https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1338067295382466560?s=19
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Regarde Aduck posted:How are you getting that from his post? Things never got past ‘talking on social media’ stages. You didn’t leave labour because of the mere possibility that Keir’s regime was maybe might be poo poo. I left Labour when Keir put a TERF as his pick for the NEC so yeah actually it was pretty much on the mere possibility (admittedly on a backdrop of transphobia being poo poo under Corbyn too) I'm going off all the posts he made in the thread about it so far, it comes off as someone who doesn't want to admit that there's a bad smell coming off of this because the rest of the party suits him fine. I appreciate the apology, I'm just side-eyeing anyone who's immediately going to bat for them without any attempt to hold them to account; this should be the sort of situation where a statement/apology? should be made (and then not deleted afterwards!) ASAP and people in here that give a poo poo about minority voices should be asking why the gently caress this got so out of hand to kick the equalities person rather than immediately trying to justify it - it very well might've been justified, but the fact remains if you've massively upset your equalities rep, you probably hosed up.
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She was also a co founder and the designer of most of the parties branding
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Does the NIP accept members who might be interested in the parties other positions but don't agree with an independent north? A lot of big fans of the flag here too.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Does the NIP accept members who might be interested in the parties other positions but don't agree with an independent north? If you want to pay subs then knock yourself out, join for your love of vexillology
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Does the NIP accept members who might be interested in the parties other positions but don't agree with an independent north? I feel like joining the northern independence party but disagreeing with northern independence might be a bit of a waste of time
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kustomkarkommando posted:I feel like joining the northern independence party
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update on that article by rod liddle admitting he's a nonce https://twitter.com/amphitryoniades/status/1338124382397493251?s=20
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Anyone seen Jezza's announcement yet? Looked on his FB and couldn't see anything.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone seen Jezza's announcement yet? Looked on his FB and couldn't see anything.
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The problem with hoping the left has learnt it's lessons is the electoral or parliamentary left are subjected to entirely different pressures and incentives than "the left" Also: the Corbyn project lol
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Communist Thoughts posted:Also: the Corbyn project lol
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It appears to be called the "project for peace and justice" which raises questions of why that URL.
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^^ option one: trying to boil piss; option two: they didn't think it through when registering the domain yep, here we are https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1338137725552177153
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Dec 13, 2020 16:06
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Might be a temporary thing to use the corbyns name recognition.
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Corbyn trying to secure his legacy smdh
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It's a shame the desire for peace and the desire for justice, are increasingly at odds.
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CGI Stardust posted:probably launching this https://thecorbynproject.com/ Starmer expels the marrow for alleged antisemitism.
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Hitler TWOuth? Corbyn launches "Careful Now" campaign in sickening antisemitic attack
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how have they not registered either projectforpeaceandjustice.co.uk or peaceandjusticeproject.co.uk ? poor
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