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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



kecske posted:

what happens when my home borough is tier 2 and my workplace in a different borough which I have to travel to because key worker is tier 3?

*waffles in government*

Jan 1st, 1973. The UK enters the EU.

technically EEC, but that became the EU

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

How do you know so much about everything?
Enjoyed this explanation of hedge funds :D

I've said before, boring job and Wikipedia. But I've always been fascinated by finance because a) it's actually pretty interesting for someone with a low-key gambling addiction, b) it's pretty important to know the specific ways that they're loving us over but mostly c) a regular at my old local was a "barrow boy" trader who would explain this poo poo to us. Like most of the information that's actually stuck in my brain it was shouted at me over a pool table while I was in the Two Beer Performance Zone and I think we should consider changing the entire educational system to work on this principle.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Red Oktober posted:


I don't even know how you'd do it? By tube station? No-one gives a poo poo about boroughs outside of the roadmen, and it's not like they'll be especially bothered about restrictions. Plus Camden is a massive Z1-6 wedge all the way down.


Hampstead station is on border both zone 2 & 3 and that's the furthest out in Camden. which borough are you thinking of?

I wouldn't mind if they designate the rest of London to Tier 3 and ban the plague ridden hordes from coming into Camden tbh

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Sad Panda posted:

The lack of internet savvy from Team Corbyn is slightly shocking in not registering some obvious URLs. https://projectforpeaceandjustice.com/ set up as a troll website already.

would love to know why they've chosen to launch today. a Sunday. when there is literally nothing but Brexit in the news.
it's not just internet savvy that seems to be lacking.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

goddamnedtwisto posted:

c) a regular at my old local was a "barrow boy" trader who would explain this poo poo to us. Like most of the information that's actually stuck in my brain it was shouted at me over a pool table while I was in the Two Beer Performance Zone and I think we should consider changing the entire educational system to work on this principle.
"That mitochondria yeah? 's the power'ouse a the cell. *sniff* simple as."

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Cerv posted:

Hampstead station is on border both zone 2 & 3 and that's the furthest out in Camden. which borough are you thinking of?

I wouldn't mind if they designate the rest of London to Tier 3 and ban the plague ridden hordes from coming into Camden tbh

coming in?

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Cerv posted:

Hampstead station is on border both zone 2 & 3 and that's the furthest out in Camden. which borough are you thinking of?

I wouldn't mind if they designate the rest of London to Tier 3 and ban the plague ridden hordes from coming into Camden tbh

Whoops - I'm think of constituencies - Camden and Barnet runs zones 1-5.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

kecske posted:

coming in?
seems we are still 3rd lowest up this way. it's those weirdos out in Havering wherever that is that you need to worry about.



https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Yeah, the entire "logic" of hedge funds is they're supposed to assess risk and take up short positions* that minimise their exposure to that risk.

The relevant stat is whether hedge funds donating to Johnson hedged against no-deal harder than those who didn't. Even then if you're a vulture capitalist looking to make money from a *guaranteed* no-deal you don't use short positions because the potential gains are limited - you use long positions on industries/funds that you know are likely to show massive growth (bailiffs, privatised prisons, funeral homes).

(Very quick and only vaguely accurate primer - a short position is basically a bet that the price of something will go down. The traditional way of doing it - and still the way the pricing of it works - is that you "borrow" a stock from a holder for a small fee for a fixed amount of time.

Let's say you've heard that EvilCo are about to reveal that their big project to melt down old people to use as Bentley wax is a failure, as the old people are too undernourished to provide the rich shine that Bentleys deserve, and so their share price is about to drop. You find a pension fund or other large institution that tends to hold onto shares for the long run, and ask to borrow their 10,000 shares of EvilCo for a week for a small fee. You sell them at £100 each on Monday, on Friday the announcement comes out and the share price drops to £50. You buy up 10,000 shares at £50 each and give them back to the pension fund, keeping the £500,000 difference.

Obviously the profit you can make on this is limited by the fact that the lowest price a commodity can hit is zero* so your absolute maximum profit on this deal is a million quid. However if it turns out that the chairman of EvilCo goes to the same Mayfair sex dungeon as half the Cabinet, and so the Government gives them a massive contract to turn the leftover bones and offal into a nutritious stew to be sold at the G4S Orphanarium And Nonce Buffet at a 1000% markup and their price goes up, your losses are theoretically unlimited.

If you had inside information that Project Grannyshine was going to fail you'd instead buy up their less flashy competitor, Amalgamated Panda Juicers, whose share price would skyrocket when EvilCo went down, which reverses the risk/reward ratio.

Of course even this nonsense is far too logical for our financial markets so the actual transactions are now several dozen layers of abstraction deep but basically just boil down to making individual bets with other investors without ever getting the actual shares involved. Like everything in the City it starts with a relatively simple and benign (by Capital standards, obv) idea - in this case to minimise risk - and is instead turned into a get rich quick scheme so naked that Charles Ponzi would blush.

* Someone will chime in with the time that the price of crude oil went negative here, but that was a futures contract which is its own thing)

That’s how hedge funds started but now they are basically funds which are able to take higher risks and make certain investments that funds open to the unwashed masses are not. They are subject to less regulation. As a result of the higher risk profile they are open only to qualified investors, i.e. those who have a minimum asset level (and I think detailed knowledge of the financial instruments in which hedge funds “invest” - I’m not sure about exactly what defines a qualified investor).

The short selling explanation is ace.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

John le Carré has died

gently caress :(

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


josh04 posted:

Feels like it might have been a last-minute namechange.

Cannot believe they waited until the last minute to decide the We Hate Jews Charity was a bad name.

Anyway, Jeremy Corbyn sucks. All these old Labour heads who care more about their stupid worthless party than actually working towards anything can get in the bin, I'm very done with them.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Cerv posted:

John le Carré has died

gently caress :(

Oh, that really sucks. Off to meet his case officer for the final time. His loathing for Brexit and the people behind it was something to behold.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

Cerv posted:

John le Carré has died

gently caress :(

Yeah, gutted. Probably my favourite author of all time. One of those writers whose quality of work transcended beyond the genre in which he operated.

I dunno how Correct he necessarily was, given his background and the circles he moved in, but his books largely attempted to speak truth to power, and were overall nationally cynical enough that I don't think the government will mourn his passing too much.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


forkboy84 posted:

Anyway, Jeremy Corbyn sucks. All these old Labour heads who care more about their stupid worthless party than actually working towards anything can get in the bin, I'm very done with them.

That's true but I'm yet to see a realistic parliamentary alternative materialise. I quit the party some months ago but seeing the various fights going on against Starmer/Evans and the 100+ CLPs that have passed votes on that basis I'm wondering if we might be giving up too soon. Obviously it depends on your local party but if there are winnable fights to be had around getting decent candidates for the next elections etc. then those might be fights worth having. I dunno, really. At the moment I'm just angry and directionless, at least within the Labour Party I might get to shout at some centrists every now and then.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



The Perfect Element posted:

Yeah, gutted. Probably my favourite author of all time. One of those writers whose quality of work transcended beyond the genre in which he operated.

I dunno how Correct he necessarily was, given his background and the circles he moved in, but his books largely attempted to speak truth to power, and were overall nationally cynical enough that I don't think the government will mourn his passing too much.

I'm sure he wasn't especially Correct, but it's not like he came from Military and MP background like Fleming - wasn't his dad a literal con-man who ran with the Krays?

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Cerv posted:

seems we are still 3rd lowest up this way. it's those weirdos out in Havering wherever that is that you need to worry about

RIP me over in Barking too :doggo:

Edit: wow Havering is apparently Scotland levels of white af

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

sebzilla posted:

That's true but I'm yet to see a realistic parliamentary alternative materialise. I quit the party some months ago but seeing the various fights going on against Starmer/Evans and the 100+ CLPs that have passed votes on that basis I'm wondering if we might be giving up too soon. Obviously it depends on your local party but if there are winnable fights to be had around getting decent candidates for the next elections etc. then those might be fights worth having. I dunno, really. At the moment I'm just angry and directionless, at least within the Labour Party I might get to shout at some centrists every now and then.

Some CLPs are standing up to it, but for example I saw a former comrade last week who told me that the local CLP all member meeting held a couple of weeks ago had a regional official (presumably paid and not elected) in attendance and free use was made of the 'mute' buttons to stop people speaking (in terms of cutting them off mid-sentence, not muting to hide the sounds of crisps being munched).

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Some CLPs are standing up to it, but for example I saw a former comrade last week who told me that the local CLP all member meeting held a couple of weeks ago had a regional official (presumably paid and not elected) in attendance and free use was made of the 'mute' buttons to stop people speaking (in terms of cutting them off mid-sentence, not muting to hide the sounds of crisps being munched).

Heard the same from my CLP (we've got a FB group for current/former LP members of a socialist leaning.) Trying to gauge the balance of power to see if it's worth being part of or not in the short/medium term. Time and money are both pretty limited for me so I'm only interested in playing the game if I have a reasonable chance to win!

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

Red Oktober posted:

I'm sure he wasn't especially Correct, but it's not like he came from Military and MP background like Fleming - wasn't his dad a literal con-man who ran with the Krays?

Yeah his background is fascinating, son of a con man who used his ill gotten gains from O embed his family in the establishment.

Otoh he did used to spy and inform on leftist groups at Oxford, which doesn't FEEL like it's something we should support...

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

The Perfect Element posted:

Yeah his background is fascinating, son of a con man who used his ill gotten gains from O embed his family in the establishment.

Otoh he did used to spy and inform on leftist groups at Oxford, which doesn't FEEL like it's something we should support...

Le Carre's portrait of Cold War spies is (apparently) by far the most accurate in fiction - they're by definition misfits and misanthropes who aren't even particularly sure who they are but don't like the bits they do know about themselves. You can't help but think that his background helped inform a lot of that - a new money boy moving in upper class circles is definitely going to be constantly questioning himself (and his supposed betters).

Also maybe he should have spied a bit harder because the Oxford spy ring wasn't discovered until after the end of the Cold War while the Cambridge lot were mostly rumbled beforehand (even if in several cases that discovery came *after* they hosed off across the Iron Curtain).

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Le Carre's portrait of Cold War spies is (apparently) by far the most accurate in fiction - they're by definition misfits and misanthropes who aren't even particularly sure who they are but don't like the bits they do know about themselves. You can't help but think that his background helped inform a lot of that - a new money boy moving in upper class circles is definitely going to be constantly questioning himself (and his supposed betters).

Also maybe he should have spied a bit harder because the Oxford spy ring wasn't discovered until after the end of the Cold War while the Cambridge lot were mostly rumbled beforehand (even if in several cases that discovery came *after* they hosed off across the Iron Curtain).

I recently read A Perfect Spy which seems to be quite autobiographical. It’s not a great book like his Smiley works but it’s good, and I imagine gives some insight into his upbringing. I don’t know how much it overlaps with his autobiography.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


In 2010 Radio 4 did a bunch of radio plays with Simon Russell Beale (Beria in The Death of Stalin) as Smiley and they are up online as a podcast (not entirely legally but I just stuck Complete Smiley in Podcast Addict and it found them all) which might be of interest.

I've kinda failed to ever actually read LeCarre but my dad made me watch Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy with Alec Guinness and that obviously rules. Not enough TV shows that feel so understated.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

forkboy84 posted:

In 2010 Radio 4 did a bunch of radio plays with Simon Russell Beale (Beria in The Death of Stalin) as Smiley and they are up online as a podcast (not entirely legally but I just stuck Complete Smiley in Podcast Addict and it found them all) which might be of interest.

I've kinda failed to ever actually read LeCarre but my dad made me watch Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy with Alec Guinness and that obviously rules. Not enough TV shows that feel so understated.

The film is also very good indeed.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



The BBC TV version of The Night Manager is absolutely excellent.Tom Hiddleston, Hugh Laurie, Olivia Colman, David Harewood, Tom Hollander. Also features a cameo by the man himself, so I figure it got his approval.

In that version I think that Pine (as played by Hiddleston) feels like how Le Carre must have felt when joining the service - not sure what's going on, dazzled by the glamour and knowing that he doesn't really fit.

Red Oktober fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 14, 2020

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


therattle posted:

The film is also very good indeed.

Yeah, was very impressed by the way the film kept the tone and pacing while obviously much more constrained time limit than a telly show.

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.
Anyone ever used bulk meat places like muscle foods before or have a recommendation on where to bulk buy fresh meat?

We've gone full hoard stockpiling mode and just bought a chest freezer for the garage ahead of Brexit. To be fair, I tend to buy things in bulk once a month anyway, so this is just extending that to 6. We've already got giant 4kg bags of pasta and rice and I made sure to snap up about 6 boxes of Readybrek because that stuff vaporised during the first covid outbreak.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Red Oktober posted:

The BBC TV version of The Night Manager is absolutely excellent.Tom Hiddleston, Hugh Laurie, Olivia Colman, David Harewood, Tom Hollander. Also features a cameo by the man himself, so I figure it got his approval.

In that version I think that Pine (as played by Hiddleston) feels like how Le Carre must have felt when joining the service - not sure what's going on, dazzled by the glamour and knowing that he doesn't really fit.

I liked but didn’t love The Night Manager. I don’t think the romance subplot worked especially well. It was almost too polished. Hugh Laurie is terrific.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



therattle posted:

I don’t think the romance subplot worked especially well. It was almost too polished.


I don't even remember it, so.... yeah, guess it didn't work too well.

I do think that night manager is the best 'jumping off' point - because some of his stuff is really, really dense.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Red Oktober posted:

The BBC TV version of The Night Manager is absolutely excellent.Tom Hiddleston, Hugh Laurie, Olivia Colman, David Harewood, Tom Hollander. Also features a cameo by the man himself, so I figure it got his approval.

In that version I think that Pine (as played by Hiddleston) feels like how Le Carre must have felt when joining the service - not sure what's going on, dazzled by the glamour and knowing that he doesn't really fit.

I mostly got really mad that everyone went to private schools except Harewood. I just loving hate the cultural, political and financial hegemony of these cunts so much that ruins everything for me.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

forkboy84 posted:

I mostly got really mad that everyone went to private schools except Harewood. I just loving hate the cultural, political and financial hegemony of these cunts so much that ruins everything for me.

It's one of the biggest impacts of destroying the welfare state that unless you're already rich you're very unlikely to succeed in an artist career

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
The Night Manager is some respects an abberation of le Carres usual style in that it feels like it was written with one eye on Hollywood. A lot of globe trotting, a lot of glamour.

It also has several nearly unreadable, and deeply uncomfortable, chapters of le Carres take on West Indies patois, which was thankfully exorcised from the adaptation.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Julie Burchil is screaming at Ash Sarkar that Mohammad is a paedophile if you want to know how sensible twitter is going.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Julie Burchill (born 3 July 1959) is an English journalist, writer and broadcaster who describes herself as a "militant feminist".

Seeing a trend. Broadcasters have problems.

Nonsense fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 14, 2020

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Gonzo McFee posted:

Julie Burchil is screaming at Ash Sarkar that Mohammad is a paedophile if you want to know how sensible twitter is going.

At half two in the morning?

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

At half two in the morning?

It's optimum posting time.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean I cannot disagree but I do not normally expect newscasters to be such dedicated Posters.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
As Peter Mandelson said: We're all posters now.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Gonzo McFee posted:

It's optimum posting time.

Posting and eating.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Lol I've just realised it's Julie's way of defending Rod Liddle saying he'd nonce the kids if he was a teacher.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Gonzo McFee posted:

Julie Burchil is screaming at Ash Sarkar that Mohammad is a paedophile if you want to know how sensible twitter is going.

Julie Burchill just going all in on bigotry now I guess. That's liberalism for you.

Why on earth would anyone want to defend Rod Liddle? I doubt Rid Liddle could be defending Rod Liddle's horn for 14 year old girls.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Dec 14, 2020

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