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Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


J.A.B.C. posted:

Yeah, slugs and spread shotguns take some getting used to changing between them, but slugs (once you get used to them) are stupidly powerful. I got a Heritage from the raid that can easily peak 36k damage in a shot, and at that range a weak point is a massive target.

Does Heritage actually hit at Taniks damage distance?

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GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Ciaphas posted:

Does Heritage actually hit at Taniks damage distance?

Heritage is literally THE best weapon to use against Taniks!

Ideally you have a Lunafaction Warlock boosting your range but even if you're taking the ~15% damage penalty from shooting just outside of ideal range, you do the highest possible DPS by using a slug shotgun on Taniks

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Is it still true that you just need to clip someone with a pellet to get the bonus slug damage?

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Xur:



Random Drop:



My Hunters vault for reference,
Page 1:



Page 2:



Its not a tragedy, but still.
Getting a double out of 3 is a bummer.

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Heritage is literally THE best weapon to use against Taniks!

Ideally you have a Lunafaction Warlock boosting your range but even if you're taking the ~15% damage penalty from shooting just outside of ideal range, you do the highest possible DPS by using a slug shotgun on Taniks

I wonder how fast a LunaWell/Divinity team with shotguns would be. Possilbe 1-phase?

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Xur:



Random Drop:



My Hunters vault for reference,
Page 1:



Page 2:



Its not a tragedy, but still.
Getting a double out of 3 is a bummer.

Lucky you, world's first!

Unless you got the random drop from clearing a Lost Sector solo, that's the first time this bug has occurred. F's in the chat

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Random drop was an 1180 (the lowest one) nightfall boss i did for the stasis quests.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

J.A.B.C. posted:

I wonder how fast a LunaWell/Divinity team with shotguns would be. Possilbe 1-phase?

Hell yeah my friend, this is the meta in fact. It's an easy peasy 1-phase with a fireteam of Heritage/FILO or Heritage/Bonechiller, ideally with Anarchy for heavy.

If you do the 4-bomb method and your DPS phase is 50% longer, you can even 1-phase him with a couple guys eschewing Slugs altogther


Yolomon Wayne posted:

Random drop was an 1180 (the lowest one) nightfall boss i did for the stasis quests.

That sucks, but also in many ways it is cool!

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Just rewound the evening in my head, it is also possible that it came from the additional engram from xur, cause i think i got the reward with the hunter and also got the exotic he offers.

Would that make more sense to produce a double?
I really cant swear if i did, but its a possibility.
I bought the armor yesterday with the warlock, got an exotic drop with the hunter today and *might* have also taken the extra exotic on the hunter since the Titan has all he needs and i didnt play much warlock today...

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Stasis Hunter's knives feel kinda meh but otherwise I'm enjoying the changeup from Warlock quite a lot. Got the Mask of Bakris, too, which is a good lol with Trinity Ghoul

Only one left to unlock Stasis on is Titan, which I'm not looking forward to because I cannot figure out their jump for beans :eng99:

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Just rewound the evening in my head, it is also possible that it came from the additional engram from xur, cause i think i got the reward with the hunter and also got the exotic he offers.

Would that make more sense to produce a double?
I really cant swear if i did, but its a possibility.

Most likely scenario I can think of

1. You bought the Fated Engram from Xur, and got that 1253 Gwisin
2. You then bought the Gwisin directly from Xur at 1248

But also who knows! It's 2020

Domattee
Mar 5, 2012

Ciaphas posted:

I don't mind the gameplay conceit of shotguns being stupidly short range; I just wish the falloff was less cliff-like

(e) Actually, is there such a thing as range damage falloff or is it binary in-range/out-of-range damage multipliers?

There is falloff distance to some fixed damage floor modifier, but for shoguns the damage floor is 0% and the fall-off range is like 3 meters

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Hell yeah my friend, this is the meta in fact. It's an easy peasy 1-phase with a fireteam of Heritage/FILO or Heritage/Bonechiller, ideally with Anarchy for heavy.

If you do the 4-bomb method and your DPS phase is 50% longer, you can even 1-phase him with a couple guys eschewing Slugs altogther


That sucks, but also in many ways it is cool!

And now that my light is at 1250 before artifact, I no longer have to be the Divinity mule! Now I just need a Reconstruction Heritage for shoot forever times (currently auto-load/rampage, which is hilariously busted.)

Strelok604
Apr 26, 2020

What exactly counts as "shatter damage final blows"? Because I swear I'm killing people with stasis left and right and the number isn't going up

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Strelok604 posted:

What exactly counts as "shatter damage final blows"? Because I swear I'm killing people with stasis left and right and the number isn't going up

When something is frozen, and takes enough damage, it pops for an AOE effect. That's shatter, IIRC. Popping crystals also creates this effect.

If your hunter or titan, a good way to get shatter is if you have the thingy that lets you break crystals with the stomp or slide. Drop ice wall with the grenade or use Salvations grip, and pop the crystals.

HardKase
Jul 15, 2007
TASTY
I don't understand this game

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

HardKase posted:

I don't understand this game

Good.

el B
Jan 30, 2004
holler.

HardKase posted:

I don't understand this game

Visit Amanda Holiday on the east side of the tower.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
I'm finding Crow's story more interesting than the campaign. Eramis was such a nothing villain.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

sticklefifer posted:

Eramis was such a nothing villain.

It's really weird how quickly they set up "Eramis was setting up a Dark Fallen Empire and has been doing it for years now" and then went "welp you blew it up, six hours later"

That seems like it should have been a bigger deal or something since everyone keeps calling it an empire, but maybe that's in comparison to Humanity's one city

Meiteron
Apr 4, 2008

Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!

RBA Starblade posted:

It's really weird how quickly they set up "Eramis was setting up a Dark Fallen Empire and has been doing it for years now" and then went "welp you blew it up, six hours later"

That seems like it should have been a bigger deal or something since everyone keeps calling it an empire, but maybe that's in comparison to Humanity's one city

To be completely fair the history of our Guardian is ending a succession of incredible threats that may have existed for thousands-to-billions of years but persist only six hours longer once we become aware of them

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


The campaign would have been kind of lame if you didn't accomplish much / Eramis sort of just got away or whatever.

At the same time it does feel like they set her up for a possible return?

Mattavist
May 24, 2003

Which is just the dumbest thing. I can do shatter damage. Let me smash the Eramis icicle.

Doc Mave
Jan 7, 2007
Not a real doc.

Meiteron posted:

To be completely fair the history of our Guardian is ending a succession of incredible threats that may have existed for thousands-to-billions of years but persist only six hours longer once we become aware of them

“The Fallen God-Emperor has raised an army that will wash over the city like-“

“Wow yeah sounds tough hey has anyone tried just going to his house and shooting him in the head?”

“What? No, his army is greater in number than grains of sand on a b-“

“I’m gonna go to his house and shoot him in the head.”

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Most likely scenario I can think of

1. You bought the Fated Engram from Xur, and got that 1253 Gwisin
2. You then bought the Gwisin directly from Xur at 1248

But also who knows! It's 2020

The only thing im absolutely sure is that i bought the lower one first, and not on the hunter, because i only started actively playing him after that.

But yeah, whatever, it doesnt really break the deal.

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Doc Mave posted:

“The Fallen God-Emperor has raised an army that will wash over the city like-“

“Wow yeah sounds tough hey has anyone tried just going to his house and shooting him in the head?”

“What? No, his army is greater in number than grains of sand on a b-“

“I’m gonna go to his house and shoot him in the head.”

We are Cayde's best Student after all.

"Got a problem? Shoot it in the face. Can't get close? Find a way to get close, then shoot it in the face. Ancient force of destruction? Grab some friends to shoot it in the face."

Only brought low when his enemies used the tactic against him.

I could see Eramiscicle disappearing at the end of Hunt, then being a behind-the-scenes force that we fight alongside Mithrax, to sway the Fallen towards one side or the other like they were setting up in the campaign, building up to the coming of Savathun and Xivu, building to the next great Stand.

Sestze
Jun 6, 2004



Cybernetic Crumb

Doc Mave posted:

“The Fallen God-Emperor has raised an army that will wash over the city like-“

“Wow yeah sounds tough hey has anyone tried just going to his house and shooting him in the head?”

“What? No, his army is greater in number than grains of sand on a b-“

“I’m gonna go to his house and shoot him in the head.”
"you don't understand, their power is beyond imagining."

"so what, 1180? 1200? 1220?"

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
I'm sure Eramis will thaw and scurry back to Earth in 2022 and find some SIVA, just in time for us to take her down in the Rage of the Construct raid

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Eramis lost, the Darkness has no place for losers. Then again, she froze solid before we could deliver a final blow, though maybe that was because the Darkness rejected her. There's also the possibility she could come back through some sword logic fuckery like Xol did when he became our sniper rifle.

Strelok604
Apr 26, 2020

I hesitated on buying Ace of Spades since as far as exotics go it's kind of boring, but mamma mia it feels like porn to shoot

Headshotting a mook and getting all his friends with the ensuing solar explosion is amazing

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Can i ask a question that probably inadvertently reveals my non-raiding rear end?

Who is Eramis? I feel like I'm supposed to have encountered her before by the way everyone in game is talking about her but I have no idea.

Strelok604
Apr 26, 2020

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Can i ask a question that probably inadvertently reveals my non-raiding rear end?

Who is Eramis? I feel like I'm supposed to have encountered her before by the way everyone in game is talking about her but I have no idea.

She's the villain of the base Beyond Light campaign

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Bobby Deluxe posted:

Can i ask a question that probably inadvertently reveals my non-raiding rear end?

Who is Eramis? I feel like I'm supposed to have encountered her before by the way everyone in game is talking about her but I have no idea.

I mean, she was in the intro to Beyondl campaign? And frozen Variks which is the first mission on Europa

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Can i ask a question that probably inadvertently reveals my non-raiding rear end?

Who is Eramis? I feel like I'm supposed to have encountered her before by the way everyone in game is talking about her but I have no idea.

Here is more words than i am willing to read about some guy who is now irrellevant:

https://www.destinypedia.com/Eramis,_Kell_of_Darkness

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

I meant before beyond light. There are a few lines of dialog and some of the lore entries that seem to imply that we already know of her / have encountered her before. To a degree that I suspected she was either in House of Wolves and I'd forgotten, or that she was in the Scourge of the Past raid which I didn't do.

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Here is more words than i am willing to read about some guy who is now irrellevant:

https://www.destinypedia.com/Eramis,_Kell_of_Darkness
Right, so she was the antagonist of the outbreak perfected mission apparently.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Mattavist posted:

Which is just the dumbest thing. I can do shatter damage. Let me smash the Eramis icicle.

At least her hopefully-corpse makes for great emergency cover on repeat Priestess hunts :v:

VodeAndreas
Apr 30, 2009

Ciaphas posted:

At least her hopefully-corpse makes for great emergency cover on repeat Priestess hunts :v:

Now you're thinking with Stasis.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Ciaphas posted:

At least her hopefully-corpse makes for great emergency cover on repeat Priestess hunts :v:
We should airlift her to the tower as a Dawning decoration.

Toozler
Jan 12, 2012

Mesadoram posted:

Xur is selling the Trinity Ghoul. If you don't have one, buy it and pray to the RNG gods that the catalyst drops. It is seriously amazing.

Cool that this is the first post i read after the weekend, because this exact thing happened to me. It does look like a pretty sweet catalyst and I liked the rhythm of the bow

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dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Oxyclean posted:

you absolute fool, you fell for my bait. Hey everyone, look at the gun nerd! I'm being a bit snarky, the existence of slug shotguns in games feels like they almost exist entirely to appease the "well actually shotguns aren't just for point blank..." and almost feel weird because I feel like they share a niche with like, unscoped rifles?

That said, I just can't get into D2's slug shotguns because they still have way less range then I expect, so they just kind of feel like every other shotgun in D2, only you're supposed to ironsight at the head?

I remember BF3 having some pretty gnarly slug shotguns, that or they were just OP.

I'm not sure why you wrote balance like that because fps games would probably be very terrible if their guns worked more accurately to how they do irl.

Although, Doom's standard shotgun does have some pretty decent range, though I consider the SSG to be peak video game shotgun.

I'm not actually a gun nerd, I just like an old and kind of crusty videogame series with realistic gunplay...

The STALKER games, for all their Eurojank, are really good!

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