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ninjewtsu posted:Honestly more games should do the drakengard "different endings result in different sequels" thing ME2 was fairly reactionary to your decisions in ME1 when you imported a save. ME3 was mostly a fountain of piss in this regard though.
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I think you mean reactive
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Dec 14, 2020 17:41
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no if you killed Wrex in ME1 all the kurgans would yell anti-human slurs at you in ME2
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Dec 14, 2020 18:32
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Most of the reactive stuff in ME3 amounted to you getting an e-mail that modified a war asset, or a random talking head on the promenade that modified a war asset.
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Dec 14, 2020 18:50
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ME3 actually had a lot of cool permutations for certain events but it was oddly spent on stuff that very few players would ever see.
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Dec 14, 2020 18:53
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exquisite tea posted:ME3 actually had a lot of cool permutations for certain events but it was oddly spent on stuff that very few players would ever see. No one I talked to knew you could prevent Mordin's death. Probably because you had to kill Wrex in ME1, destroy Maelon's data in ME2, and then go down a load of paths in Mordin's conversation in ME3. You just got an email from him after saying he was going to pretend to be dead anyway though. Even in Citadel they just treat it like he's dead.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:22
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exquisite tea posted:ME3 actually had a lot of cool permutations for certain events but it was oddly spent on stuff that very few players would ever see. Like being able to kill Wrex in ME3. That required having a save game from ME1 since the ME2 default was him dead. It's really amazing how much content they included in ME3. What happens if you go into ME3 in the worst state, like ME1 lovely choices, ME2 sole survivor, etc? It must be almost a entirely different character cast.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:24
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womb with a view posted:No one I talked to knew you could prevent Mordin's death. Probably because you had to kill Wrex in ME1, destroy Maelon's data in ME2, and then go down a load of paths in Mordin's conversation in ME3. He leaves a datapad near your bed on the morning after with a collection of his favorite musicals or something, if he's still alive.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:25
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pentyne posted:Like being able to kill Wrex in ME3. Kirrahe saves the Salarian councilor if Thane is dead. Of course many goons probably encountered this themselves, having sent Thane into the vents. 
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Dec 14, 2020 19:34
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I was one of the ones where everybody survived the suicide mission and at no part did it seem like a difficult choice who to pick for the vents or fire team. Then I came onto the forums and was so surprised how many characters folks were able to kill off. At this point I’ve played ME2 about 14 times and have yet to ever get anyone killed in the suicide mission because I can’t bring myself to do it.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:44
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exquisite tea posted:Kirrahe saves the Salarian councilor if Thane is dead. The best part is that Thane does his whole ninja battle thing and fights him to a standstill but runs out of breath so you can have a final denouement in the hospital. Kirrahe just blocks kai leng's blade with his loving torso and Kai leng apparently gets weirded out and runs away.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:49
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Once the DLC came out and I could get both loyal Grunt and loyal Zaeed on my fireteams nobody ever died again. I did think it was bullshit that Legion could overheat in those vents, though.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:50
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Kurieg posted:The best part is that Thane does his whole ninja battle thing and fights him to a standstill but runs out of breath so you can have a final denouement in the hospital. This scene was awesome and demonstrating just how bad rear end Thane really is. He was wheezing and at desth’s door and still schooled that goofy cyber ninja.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:53
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chaosapiant posted:I was one of the ones where everybody survived the suicide mission and at no part did it seem like a difficult choice who to pick for the vents or fire team. Then I came onto the forums and was so surprised how many characters folks were able to kill off. Yeah, I think I only learned long after the fact that people could die at all on the suicide mission.
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Dec 14, 2020 20:02
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 : Shepard, we need a TECH expert. Someone who is good with TECHNOLOGY, who uses TECHNOLOGICAL SKILLS and lots of TECH powers to go through the vents.. : Aha, the vents! Thane, you're up. Nothing gets past this guy!
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Dec 14, 2020 20:18
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chaosapiant posted:This scene was awesome and demonstrating just how bad rear end Thane really is. He was wheezing and at desth’s door and still schooled that goofy cyber ninja. It was still dumb that Shepard and co. who are at this point laden down with anti-materiel rifles and drones and summonable black holes just stand there and chill
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chaosapiant posted:I was one of the ones where everybody survived the suicide mission and at no part did it seem like a difficult choice who to pick for the vents or fire team. Then I came onto the forums and was so surprised how many characters folks were able to kill off. Same. I was the only one of my friends to get everyone through alive my first time, and I was baffled that people made the wrong choices - Legion in the vents, Jack with the barrier, and Garrus leading the fireteams. For some reason, picking Samara as the fireteam leader was really popular with my friends.
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Dec 14, 2020 20:31
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I don't think I screwed up the vents, but I definitely picked the wrong person to do the biotic bubble, and I also took too long to start the suicide mission and got Kelly melted.
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Dec 14, 2020 20:35
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Cythereal posted:Same. I was the only one of my friends to get everyone through alive my first time, and I was baffled that people made the wrong choices - Legion in the vents, Jack with the barrier, and Garrus leading the fireteams. lol remember the people who picked Zaeed, the guy whose every story ends in disaster
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Dec 14, 2020 21:02
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Pattonesque posted:lol remember the people who picked Zaeed, the guy whose every story ends in disaster ZaEeD iS a MeRcEnArY wItH mAnY yEaRs oF ExPeRiEnCe ThIs Is BuLlShIt mass effect 2 thread was extremely good poo poo back in the day 
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Dec 14, 2020 21:20
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Doctor Nutt posted:ZaEeD iS a MeRcEnArY wItH mAnY yEaRs oF ExPeRiEnCe ThIs Is BuLlShIt people were so optimistic!
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Dec 14, 2020 21:23
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i tended to overthink the choices, like keeping a back-up biotic for the bubble sequence since it'd make sense if one wore out that the other could pick up the slack, or trying to keep jack and miranda separated over the various segments since they were always at each other's throats and jack essentially said she'd ignore her orders if miranda were in charge no casualties on any run but i could see someone thinking zaeed was a choice for leader, given that garrus also gets everyone killed as archangel in his me2 backstory and miranda's lazarus project also only had 3 survivors despite just being a medical thing, while zaeed letting go of his past mistakes and learning the value of co-operation on the paragon path of his loyalty mission makes as much sense for rehabing him as garrus' and miranda's missions do for them imho imho the big difference is mostly that in the dossiers you had available during the suicide mission the info really emphasizes that miranda, garrus and even jason had superior leadership qualities, while zaeed's dossier just talks about him like he's a brick shithouse wrecking ball
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Dec 14, 2020 21:32
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The problem with Zaeed is that he's clearly a protagonist. He's going to survive but get everyone else killed.
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Dec 14, 2020 21:39
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Halloween Jack posted:The problem with Zaeed is that he's clearly a protagonist. He's going to survive but get everyone else killed. Yeah, that's why Joker's summary "Zaeed is just like you, but takes checks" was 100% correct.
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Dec 14, 2020 21:44
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I picked Jack to be my biotic bubble provider after losing her loyalty, and Garrus got eaten by bugs Which, admittedly, I probably deserved after siding with Miranda in that particular convo
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Dec 14, 2020 21:53
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I always wish there was some secret ending of ME3 of just Zaeed sitting on a pile of corpses of every character and enemy as it fades to black.
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Dec 14, 2020 21:59
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Pattonesque posted:It was still dumb that Shepard and co. who are at this point laden down with anti-materiel rifles and drones and summonable black holes just stand there and chill Oh no a gunship, of which I have already killed a dozen, we're doomed quote:lol remember the people who picked Zaeed, the guy whose every story ends in disaster lmao
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Dec 14, 2020 22:00
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hard counter posted:i tended to overthink the choices, like keeping a back-up biotic for the bubble sequence since it'd make sense if one wore out that the other could pick up the slack, or trying to keep jack and miranda separated over the various segments since they were always at each other's throats and jack essentially said she'd ignore her orders if miranda were in charge Wait you can reform zaeed? It’s been a while, but it felt like abandoning him to his bottomless quest for vengeance seemed wiser, “dig two graves” etc.
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El_Elegante posted:Wait you can reform zaeed? It’s been a while, but it felt like abandoning him to his bottomless quest for vengeance seemed wiser, “dig two graves” etc. IIRC your options on his loyalty quest are to let the space oil rig workers take one for the team on his vengeance pursuit and kill the guy or slow down so they don't explode; if your paragon/renegade points are low he tells you off, if they're high you can tell him to sit down and shut up and he'll deal with it. So it's less reform and more have him do it and get it over with or just have him get over it
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:I picked Jack to be my biotic bubble provider after losing her loyalty, and Garrus got eaten by bugs i also didn't know you were better off just consistently mashing top-right or bottom-right of the dialogue wheel over a whole playthrough so i mostly made my own choices too and ended up with not enough paragon/renegade points to diffuse every major argument you have to side with someone, against someone else and lose their loyalty, with no way out - if you play your cards right you can patch things up later at slightly lower paragon/renegade requirements but you need to make a strategic choice about who to back since some teamates are harder to talk back than others (you can also lose a romance i guess)...in that case miranda would've been much easier to go back to with a 'i actually agree with you but because jack's so unstable i had to do something to keep her balanced' and miranda agrees pretty easily these things were cool touches too and i'm sure not everyone got to experience them
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^^ Oh right I forgot you could ask for her forgiveness. Yet another path to not getting Miranda killed!! My first run I deliberately killed Miranda on the suicide mission and no one else. Do you know how hard it is to kill Miranda and no one else? There's basically only one path. You make sure she's not loyal and then bring her on the final terminator babby run. If you did her mission and didn't side with Jack when they're arguing you're hosed, you're gonna have to try to mow down like 6 other crew members to get her killed in the final push.
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El_Elegante posted:Wait you can reform zaeed? It’s been a while, but it felt like abandoning him to his bottomless quest for vengeance seemed wiser, “dig two graves” etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjII2ci11nQ not really reform per se, but i could see how someone could think it makes as much sense as garrus not being a good leader until he confronts his own mistakes in his loyalty mission
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Drone Jett posted:After reading your “actually, the last season of GoT was good” and “I have faith GRRM will finish the series takes” I can’t decide whether I’m jealous that you live in such a world of child-like wonder or that you’ve taken in so many with this gimmick. got was real bad but i enjoyed andromeda quite a bit so theres at least a couple of us
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I always made sure Vido died even if I wanted to shoot Zaeed in the kneecaps for nearly killing me with his jackass stunt because killing the head of the Blue Suns means I also get vengeance on the people that tried to kill Garrus.
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exquisite tea posted:Kirrahe saves the Salarian councilor if Thane is dead. And if Kirrahe is also dead the councillor dies. Which gives -2 to the Virmire Survivor confrontation which depending on other attacks means you might have to kill them. So you can have a situation where Ashley kills Wrex in 1 and then Garrus/Liara kills Ashley in 3. RBA Starblade posted:IIRC your options on his loyalty quest are to let the space oil rig workers take one for the team on his vengeance pursuit and kill the guy or slow down so they don't explode; if your paragon/renegade points are low he tells you off, if they're high you can tell him to sit down and shut up and he'll deal with it. So it's less reform and more have him do it and get it over with or just have him get over it Or if you beat the game then do Zaeed's loyalty mission and have 2 more squadmates alive you can do the paragon/save the workers path then leave Zaeed to die.
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Now I remember, that is absolutely what I did. Zaeed got what he deserved.
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When it came out I played ME2 as a shellshocked psycho shepard and didn't hesitate to burn down the refinery with all the workers inside because "well Zaeed is on my fireteam and they aren't so...". The fact you couldn't even begin to do stuff like that in ME3 or (lol) MEA is precisely why the latter installments were weaker narratively. Technically well I don't think we even need to go there.
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DancingShade posted:... Technically well I don't think we even need to go there. The only serious issue I remember from ME1 was Garrus suffered from Unreal Texture Pop-in Syndrome worse than anyone else in the game (at least on the 360.) 20 years later the people on the Andromeda mission were changed by their time in dark space.
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Dec 15, 2020 08:08
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The Asari contracted some sort of genetic disease that morphed all their faces to be the same.
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