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The US and France are modern imperialist powers and among the worst countries in the world as of 2020. England is a failed one whose time has passed and I can’t wait till the scots join up with one of us winner countries
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Americans are rebel scum in defiance of the empire.
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Peanut President posted:also why the gently caress wouldn't americans support the IRA? We have a common origin: hating the english Indeed the Americans who do know where Ireland is have a history of siding with the Irish against England in their fight for independence. But not all Irish, the Fenians were a pain in the butt to everyone, trying to invade Canada several times, upsetting even Tammany Hall. The Dollop podcast has a few episodes relating to Fenians, ep 106 deals with the Canadian invasions and 112 where a failed assassination led to anti-Fenian sentiment in NSW.
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Peanut President posted:tbf a lot of that was cleared by noted catholic JFK. You know the poo poo about "Barack THE MUSLIM Obama"? Imagine that but John F "THE PAPIST" Kennedy and you have a pretty accurate picture of late 50s america
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ChubbyChecker posted:english are french
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canyoneer posted:Handshake meme with the Irish, French, Scottish, and Americans Hating the English is something that can bring the whole world together.
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PMush Perfect posted:Italians are French. English are German. What? No. No no no. The French are Italians.
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Hopeless. The French are barbarians, the Italians are goths, all goths are related to vikings and the Byzantines are Romans who speak greek. Africans are African, but people in North Africa are semites.
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Precisely why Carthago delenda est. Post-ante-semitism
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ewe2 posted:It was incredibly important what sect of Christianity you belonged to for a long period of Australian history and took a long time to die out even as general social attitudes secularized increasingly more rapidly from the 1970's onward. Yet in my memory of childhood anyone not generally protestant was viewed with suspicion for reasons never clearly specified. Sometimes it boggles my mind that anyone ever gave a poo poo about anglicanism, a joke religion even by the standards of protestant denominations. At least Martin Luther stood for something, Henry VIII just wanted to get a divorce.
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Red Bones posted:Sometimes it boggles my mind that anyone ever gave a poo poo about anglicanism, a joke religion even by the standards of protestant denominations. At least Martin Luther stood for something, Henry VIII just wanted to get a divorce. Religions more than anything are prone to that one rule that any organisation eventually exists solely to perpetuate itself.
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Sulla Faex posted:Precisely why Carthago delenda est. Post-ante-semitism 
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Sulla Faex posted:Precisely why Carthago delenda est. Post-ante-semitism 
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Sulla Faex posted:Precisely why Carthago delenda est. Post-ante-semitism
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Also, anglicanism may be a dumb idea but the individual anglican and episcopalian churches and priests are way chiller and more progressive than most mainstream christian branches in the west so I say keep em around
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Dec 14, 2020 19:47
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Kassad posted:What? No. No no no.
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Anglicanism is “we like all the trappings of the Church but gently caress those arseholes in Italy”, which is an understandable point of view in the sixteenth century. I would go so far as to say that this was a better basis than most protestant sects of the time had. There were a lot of kooks.
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I knew someone who grew up Anglican who described it as all the elegance and elaborate rituals of Catholicism without all the guilt.
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I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and I have no idea where this meme of Catholic guilt is supposed to come from tbh, I certainly don't feel guilty about anything. But then again I only ever heard this from Anglosphere people so maybe it's less universally Catholic and more a deep-seated issue with Anglo Catholicism? Also Anglicanism is basically just a name at this point, they've got High Church Anglicans who like to cosplay Catholics, Low Church Anglicans who are super Protestant, Broad Church Anglicans who try to somehow hold it all together as well as a ton of deep dogmatic rifts going straight through the entire church which led to the CoE and the Anglican community worldwide in reality being a number of virtually autonomous subchurches (who all hate each other)
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System Metternich posted:I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and I have no idea where this meme of Catholic guilt is supposed to come from tbh Graham Greene invented it to sell books.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The US and France are modern imperialist powers and among the worst countries in the world as of 2020. We the Nordic countries are already making reservations for a larger table. We might even include the Estonians since we are taking new members anyways. EDIT: And we need those 12+12 points for our Eurovision circle-jerk because now the Eastern Block tends to dominate too much. Der Kyhe has a new favorite as of 21:05 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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Dec 14, 2020 21:01
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System Metternich posted:The community worldwide in reality being a number of virtually autonomous subchurches (who all hate each other) Christianity: A History.
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I work as a staff singer for a fancy high church Episcopalian church and the official denominational stance on a whole bunch of issues is "I'm not picking one and you can't make me!" I like all the fancy ritual stuff, it keeps me awake through multiple services. The first time I worked Easter Vigil that fire was huge!
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System Metternich posted:I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and I have no idea where this meme of Catholic guilt is supposed to come from tbh, I certainly don't feel guilty about anything. But then again I only ever heard this from Anglosphere people so maybe it's less universally Catholic and more a deep-seated issue with Anglo Catholicism? Well, from my protestant no-longer-member point of view, the if idea that you need to confess everything to your local priest and do their demanded prays for forgiveness to get A-OK for afterlife... if that isnt't guilt-tripping someone then what is? Considering that many of the other denominations of Christianity and the other religions pay special attention to the fact that you actually should be nice in addition of doing the chores mandated by the church, shouldn't that be something that alerts to the "guilt-tripping one"? Lutherans can get their resolve from being buried, they do not need to confess jack poo poo.
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As a non-Catholic, I thought the guilt stereotype was because of the doctrine of original sin. I could well believe that this is a stereotype that non-Catholics have built up based on their understanding of Catholic belief systems though. I imagine most practicing Catholics don't labor under a continual strain of guilt.
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Der Kyhe posted:Well, from my protestant no-longer-member point of view, the if idea that you need to confess everything to your local priest and do their demanded prays for forgiveness to get A-OK for afterlife... if that isnt't guilt-tripping someone then what is? It's Catholics who stress the importance of good deeds if you want to get to the nice afterlife though while Protestant theology says that there's literally nothing you can do about it, either you are in God's grace or not (sola gratia) and if anything then what is actually relevant to your afterlife hopes is whether you were devout or not (sola fide)  Also the idea of confession is not to "confess everything", instead the thought is that while humans may have a natural disposition towards sin, they also have a natural sense of right and wrong, so confession is not only a way to set things right with God but also to set things right with yourself, it's basically a medieval/early modern version of therapy when you see it from that angle. I'll definitely acknowledge that confession has a pretty iffy history and was often used by priests as a kudgel to keep control over their parishioners - but otoh there are countless examples throughout history of people evading just that and goind to external priests instead for confession, choosing the more lax priests over the more strict ones (or the other way round if they wanted a stern talking-to) and exerting their own agency in this issue. (Protestants never got rid of private confession, btw  )
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I'll say this, I have never met any Catholics as ravenously and horrendously regressive as I have the community of fundie creationist Protestants I was raised in.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The US and France are modern imperialist powers and among the worst countries in the world as of 2020. What's France up to? I normally don't pay attention to the crimes of other countries because who cares, they're not us. But what's their deal these days?
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System Metternich posted:It's Catholics who stress the importance of good deeds if you want to get to the nice afterlife though while Protestant theology says that there's literally nothing you can do about it, either you are in God's grace or not (sola gratia) and if anything then what is actually relevant to your afterlife hopes is whether you were devout or not (sola fide) What that’s Calvinism which was early in the process but died out more or less.
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Gotta love that dark, hungry, all-watching Calvinist God 
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Aaaaaaah 1. American Protestants aren't protestants. They are Mormons with different branding, as in, all american religiosity are brand new made-up religions unto themselves. Evangelicals are not protestants. Reformists are not protestant, even if they really want to be. Protestant means european Lutheran. 2. Austrian catholics shouldn't be used as a source for Protestant theology or practice. Because they are still upset about the 30 years war (BECAUSE THEY LOST) and will get it wrong on purpose. 3. Repent. 4. In catholic countries they call priests "father" and their priests are sex criminals and catholics feel guilty. In Austria you get Fritzl and Alois Hitler. Austrians don't feel guilty for anything.
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Frankly I don’t get why you folks don’t renounce your false Messiah and his thousand churches and just learn hebrew and wear a fuckin kippah like a normal person
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System Metternich posted:I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and I have no idea where this meme of Catholic guilt is supposed to come from tbh, I certainly don't feel guilty about anything. But then again I only ever heard this from Anglosphere people so maybe it's less universally Catholic and more a deep-seated issue with Anglo Catholicism? Not to mention some Anglicans who have ended up deciding to rejoin the Catholic Church and brought back with them some of the things that their old church had thought up over the centuries that doesn't directly clash with Catholicism(which is actually in many respects more diverse than most Protestant churches are) Also agreed on finding the stereotype of Catholic Guilt ridiculous CharlestheHammer posted:What that’s Calvinism which was early in the process but died out more or less. I will never understand how Calvinism ended up having any adherents at all, it's the most nihilistic religion with an Afterlife that I have ever seen System Metternich posted:It's Catholics who stress the importance of good deeds if you want to get to the nice afterlife though while Protestant theology says that there's literally nothing you can do about it, either you are in God's grace or not (sola gratia) and if anything then what is actually relevant to your afterlife hopes is whether you were devout or not (sola fide) Exactly, forgiveness and salvation are among the most important pillars of Catholicism, it's telling that arguably the first Saint of them all is St Dismas The Penitent Thief and "all" he did to earn Sainthood was point out that he and the other thief had "earned" their crucifixions through their crimes while Jesus was innocent of any crime and asked Jesus to remember him upon his acension to Heaven, and Jesus being a total bro gave him a ticket to salvation
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christmas boots posted:What's France up to? I normally don't pay attention to the crimes of other countries because who cares, they're not us. But what's their deal these days? France still owns a lot of countries and territories around the world such as New Caledonia and French Polynesia, they could be referring to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_France Fun fact, because parts of France are scattered across the globe it means that France has the most number of timezones of any country.
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Since Calvinism was so early in the process I assume it got adherents from people who were just desperate to get away from the Catholic Church. Would have converted to anything
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It amazes me that Mormonism has millions of followers worldwide because it's so transparently a wacky scheme by a known conman that got way out of hand. It's like if the Manson family had somehow become a huge international religion except the Mormons killed a lot more people.christmas boots posted:What's France up to? I normally don't pay attention to the crimes of other countries because who cares, they're not us. But what's their deal these days? If something hosed up is going down in Africa odds are the French have their fingers in it.
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Helith posted:France still owns a lot of countries and territories around the world such as New Caledonia and French Polynesia, they could be referring to that. Ah, I didn't realize France still actively owned all those places. I guess I thought it was kind of like a British type situation where it was all sort of culturally French but distinct entities.
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christmas boots posted:Ah, I didn't realize France still actively owned all those places. I guess I thought it was kind of like a British type situation where it was all sort of culturally French but distinct entities. Nah it’s all France. The closest bit to the US is off the canadian coast, then there’s Guadeloupe and Martinique, then Guyane. But I was more referring to the french military being actively engaged in “friendly” wars in all over formerly french west Africa, and France trying to play kingmaker between Greece and Turkey, things like that. It’s probably the only country besides the US that can poo poo a few thousand soldiers, a bunch of planes and ships, and maybe a nuke or two literally anywhere in the world on 12 hours notice.
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