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Meltzer's obviously not the be-all and end-all, but it is notable that very few of Triple H's four star and above matches are just straightforward matches. Matches he has that are four stars and above without an additional gimmick: Chris Benoit & Triple H vs. Chris Jericho & The Rock, WWF Raw April 26 2000 Chris Benoit vs Triple H, WWF No Mercy 2000 Chris Benoit & Chris Jericho vs. Steve Austin & Triple H, WWF RAW May 21 2001 Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H, WWE RAW 29 December 2003 Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H, Wrestlemania XX, 2004 Jeff Hardy vs. Triple H, WWE No Mercy 2008 Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H, Wrestlemania XXX, 2014 Dean Ambrose vs. Triple H, WWE Roadblock 2016 Everything else above four stars was a gimmick match or a huge multi-man.
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Lamuella posted:Meltzer's obviously not the be-all and end-all, but it is notable that very few of Triple H's four star and above matches are just straightforward matches. Matches he has that are four stars and above without an additional gimmick: That's mostly true of Edge, too. In fairness to Edge though, I don't think he's nearly the mark for himself HHH is. He's also not as divisive. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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It's pretty funny that HHH's last great match is against a guy who would eventually be world champion of the promotion that's now kicking his rear end every Wednesday night
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pseudodragon posted:Presumably even in Kayfabe there’s people at Gorilla to cue people’s entry for regular appearances and they’d still be there to see people running past to hit the sound board or call the booth or whatever. Now if we do assume there’s actual production staff behind the scenes, why there isn’t any security stopping people from running in is another story. We've seen what kayfabe WWE security looks like, they're not going to be able to stop anyone anyway.
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pseudodragon posted:Presumably even in Kayfabe there’s people at Gorilla to cue people’s entry for regular appearances and they’d still be there to see people running past to hit the sound board or call the booth or whatever. Now if we do assume there’s actual production staff behind the scenes, why there isn’t any security stopping people from running in is another story. They could just be going out there to talk or take a look around. It's not illegal to watch wrestling yet!
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I always thought it was funny that WWE in kayfabe hire a group of security guards that are absolutely useless and never seem to be even reprimanded.
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The worst I can recall was the "R and B Security" (Russo and Bischoff) guys from late WCW, who were just a bunch of faceless goons who got battered every week.
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TNA also did a big security infighting angle in the weekly PPV era
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Uranage: how do you (personally, and definitionally) pronounce this, what are its origins, and why is the one Jay White does so much better than all the others? Is anyone else even close? Seriously, it's like a super in one of the more cartoonish wrestling games. Jay White is just great. (I've always said "your a nah ghee", but my brain isn't confident in that).
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Yer-uh-NAH-gay The uranage is only a finisher-caliber move if you lift, turn, and throw them over your hip. Otherwise it's just a lazy-rear end chokeslam. The uranage originated as a judo technique, but wrestling uranages aren't the same technique as the judo uranage. I have no idea who first did it in wrestling and called it that. Benne posted:Every time people say this I feel like I'm being gaslit, I've seen Jarrett's midcard work in the WWF and WCW and it was all loving terrible. He's never been good. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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FakePoet posted:Uranage: how do you (personally, and definitionally) pronounce this, what are its origins, and why is the one Jay White does so much better than all the others? Is anyone else even close? its a judo throw, the ura nage 
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FakePoet posted:Uranage: how do you (personally, and definitionally) pronounce this, what are its origins, and why is the one Jay White does so much better than all the others? Is anyone else even close? You're an Auggy
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your-ah-NAH-gay
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Aphrodite posted:You're an Auggy "You're an Auggy, Harry". Dangerously close to "You're an Aggie", which...gross.
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It should be closer to oo-rah-NAH-geh. Rule of thumb is that Japanese syllables break at the vowel so u-ra-na-ge. Unlike Enligh, the syllables always sound the same so once you know, you don’t have to guess. Like the U is always pronounced like oo in boot.
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pseudodragon posted:It should be closer to oo-rah-NAH-geh. Technically the Japanese ”u” is a bit closer to something like the German ”ü” than the English ”oo” but yeah
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Maxwell Lord posted:TNA also did a big security infighting angle in the weekly PPV era 
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a cyborg mug posted:Technically the Japanese ”u” is a bit closer to something like the German ”ü” than the English ”oo” but yeah Thanks. I thought the oo didn’t sound quite right but I couldn’t put my finger on a better sound in English.
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What's the best match The Miz was ever in?
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Probably his title defense against Lawler
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The US title match where he defends against Bryan.
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The IC title vs career match against Ziggler
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Related, I really liked the intro to his match with Cena at whatever Wrestlemania. The confident heel who got where he is by hook or crook, through all the bullying and being held back, now standing tall at the top of the company. It's a shame that the match itself was hot dogshit and his actual character didn't match the intro.
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Didn't he get concussed halfway through that match?
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Memento posted:What's the best match The Miz was ever in? The top snowflake matches for The Miz per Da Meltz (that aren't Rumbles/multi-man ladder/Elimination Chambers) are: 4 1/2 stars Cesaro vs. Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn vs. The Miz, 5/22/16 - this is highest user rated one on Cagematch Dolph Ziggler vs. The Miz, 10/9/16 4 1/4 stars Alberto Del Rio vs. CM Punk vs. The Miz, TLC, 12/18/11 Finn Balor vs. Seth Rollins vs. The Miz, 5/1/17 Seth Rollins vs. The Miz, 5/6/18 4 stars John Morrison vs. The Miz, falls count anywhere, 1/3/11 John Cena vs. John Morrison vs. The Miz, steel cage, 5/1/11 Dolph Ziggler vs. The Miz, ladder match, 12/4/16 His Daniel Bryan match from Summerlam 18 was also really good.
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That 4 way is great, but I feel like Miz is in the ring for like 40 secs.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The US title match where he defends against Bryan. I like that one because for SOME reason Miz breaks out a bunch of Nigel McGuinness spots he's never done before or since.
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Dimebags Brain posted:I like that one because for SOME reason Miz breaks out a bunch of Nigel McGuinness spots he's never done before or since. The reason is "Bryan Danielson laid the match out", most likely.
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The best he can ever be is “okay,” there’s just no way anyone could EVER be invested emotionally in a Miz match. He’s a cartoon. Even if you were into the Bryan stuff, it was more because you wondered if WWE would really gently caress Bryan that bad, not because you were invested in The Miz. Someone posted that Bray Wyatt threatened The Miz’s wife and child, and The Miz came out for that match and did his same stupid rear end Hollywood entrance and locked up as usual. That really hammered it home. How could you ever loving care about these WWE baby faces. They don’t even care if you threaten to hurt their kid. Just absolute total losers.
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Gaz-L posted:The reason is "Bryan Danielson laid the match out", most likely. That must be why Bray Wyatt's only good singles match was against Daniel Bryan.
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Tato posted:The best he can ever be is “okay,” there’s just no way anyone could EVER be invested emotionally in a Miz match. He’s a cartoon. Even if you were into the Bryan stuff, it was more because you wondered if WWE would really gently caress Bryan that bad, not because you were invested in The Miz. miz vs. rey fenix would be a compelling horror show
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Imagine the Austin Theory 'WRESTLEMANIA' spot but an entire match.
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bartok posted:That must be why Bray Wyatt's only good singles match was against Daniel Bryan. Bryan is a bastard because he tricked me into thinking Bray was a good wrestler. Thankfully John Cena was there to bury him and show me the truth.
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Dimebags Brain posted:Bryan is a bastard because he tricked me into thinking Bray was a good wrestler. Thankfully John Cena was there to bury him and show me the truth. Cena had a better match with Bray than Bryan! The stairs spot in their last man standing match is an all timer.
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MassRafTer posted:Cena had a better match with Bray than Bryan! The stairs spot in their last man standing match is an all timer. Probably going to get poo poo for this but Cena is a better worker when it comes to the WWE style.
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Tato posted:The best he can ever be is “okay,” there’s just no way anyone could EVER be invested emotionally in a Miz match. He’s a cartoon. Even if you were into the Bryan stuff, it was more because you wondered if WWE would really gently caress Bryan that bad, not because you were invested in The Miz. The Miz is the ultimate pretending to be a wrestler wrestler and his ascension to being a credible and relied upon guy on the roster is definitely one of the first signs that the product was beginning to decay. It showed that they were starting to value boot licking over talent and everything began downward spiraling from there.
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MassRafTer posted:Cena had a better match with Bray than Bryan! The stairs spot in their last man standing match is an all timer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rkTHA6bYKA Hell yeah!
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FakePoet posted:Uranage: how do you (personally, and definitionally) pronounce this, what are its origins, and why is the one Jay White does so much better than all the others? Is anyone else even close? A lot of the guys Jay wrestles are very athletic mad men with very little regard for their own health. So they all put a little extra on the bump Edit Also the way njpw shoots action from low I think adds impact. So it's the fact Jay is quite strong, his opponents are willing to bump hard and the way the action is shot imo Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Dec 16, 2020 |
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This is appropos of nothing. And sorry if it should go in the social media thread. But I have watched a few KANAchan youtube videos recently, and also watching Shayna Bazzler playing video games on UpUpDownDown and am noticing how much of an adorable dorky cutiepie they both are. I also notice Nick Gage, and how nice a man he seems to be, and Minoru Suzuki in his silly fedoras. All four of these people could and would kick the poo poo out of me. All four of these people are angry, intimidating monsters in the ring, yet snugglebunnies outside of it. My question is, do any of you like me, love the fact that some of the meannest, most violent wrestlers are so wholesome and sweet in real life? Also who are the sweetest most wholesome wrestlers in real life? I don't mean cool, or even nice. I mean like Asuka, daggy middle aged mums trying and failing to build computer chairs style wholesome.
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