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shrike82 posted:the game makes visible a lot of game engine kludges that we normally don't notice. the one that stands out for me is the LOD for traffic - the cardboard cars from afar effect is pretty funny my favorite is the aggressive texture quality reduction when something goes off screen in conjunction with the raytraced reflections https://streamable.com/m3i2wy
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Dec 15, 2020 03:28
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Good lord, I knew the used GPU market was almost as insane as the new market, but looking at eBay prices for 1080 Tis has me seriously thinking about backing out of selling to one of my coworkers. That said I've never actually sold anything on eBay, mainly just locally via Craigslist/FB and also here on SA Mart. How big of a pain in the rear end is it compared to those? I feel like there have to be *some* hijinks involved, but I don't have any actual data to go on.
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Dec 15, 2020 03:33
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Space Racist posted:Good lord, I knew the used GPU market was almost as insane as the new market, but looking at eBay prices for 1080 Tis has me seriously thinking about backing out of selling to one of my coworkers. I'm curious too, since I have both a 980 and a 1080 that I would be willing to sell.
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SourKraut posted:I'm curious too, since I have both a 980 and a 1080 that I would be willing to sell. same i've got a 970 and 1080 ti collecting dust now, i've just been saving it for a rainy day and not wanting to get scammed on ebay and I didn't think I could get much out of them. plus i dont have original boxes for them.
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Space Racist posted:That said I've never actually sold anything on eBay, mainly just locally via Craigslist/FB and also here on SA Mart. How big of a pain in the rear end is it compared to those? I feel like there have to be *some* hijinks involved, but I don't have any actual data to go on. Take photos before you ship. I take it to the local mailbox place and take a photo of it opened and closed in the shop I'm shipping from. Don't let someone talk you into purchasing it outside ebay, it will be a scam if they contacted you from the ebay listing.
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Dec 15, 2020 04:09
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Boosted all of my settings in Control up because it's what Nvidia recommended and set ray tracing to high. The 3060 ti is still keeping things at a consistent 65-75 FPS (my vsync cap) at 1440p, but the artifacting/noise from DLSS is starting to become way more apparent as I play through to busier/more complex scenes  Look at those staticky-rear end shadows!
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Dec 15, 2020 05:38
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Riflen posted:According to Digital Foundry, the performance reduction from Ultra to Psycho is 16% on the 3090 they tested with. They also uncovered several bugs including VSync Enabled reducing image quality(!). repiv posted:IIRC it's not the vsync setting by itself, but vsync combined with dynamic resolution, so there's some quirk with vsync that makes the engine think it's GPU limited when it's not so it lowers the resolution too much okay so I was complaining last night about how bad my RX 580's performance was, and I did notice, but did not mention at the time, that my GPU utilization was sitting at about 43% the whole time I was playing. I turned off Vsync in the in-game options and not only did GPU utilization shoot up to max, it also let me play at a steady 30 FPS at 1080p Medium with little-or-no use of the dynamic lower-res, or 60 FPS if I let the quality suffer. Thanks to this thread for uncovering that, but also what a lovely bug that's kneecapping performance.
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Dec 15, 2020 07:36
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shrike82 posted:the game makes visible a lot of game engine kludges that we normally don't notice. the one that stands out for me is the LOD for traffic - the cardboard cars from afar effect is pretty funny First time I noticed it was when I was driving in the desert and the literal road 300 meters in front of me was traffic jammed only to disappear when I got close. Maybe they're just cyber mirages 
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Dec 15, 2020 10:48
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Xaris posted:same i've got a 970 and 1080 ti collecting dust now, i've just been saving it for a rainy day and not wanting to get scammed on ebay and I didn't think I could get much out of them. plus i dont have original boxes for them. 1080 tis are still worth loads. Do not sit on them.
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Dec 15, 2020 10:49
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Yeah 2nd hand market is nuts right now. Sold my 1070 for 60% of what I paid 4 years ago, and feels like I could have got more as it was far from the most expensive sold on ebay.
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Dec 15, 2020 12:42
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I sold my 2060 for 50%. It had an aftermarket cooler which I had drilled and sawed and tinkered myself to the card. Warranty status: questionable. I was glad I got rid of it. I could probably have asked more from untouched rtx 2060.
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Dec 15, 2020 14:08
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the 3080ti rumour launch has been re-rumoured from rumoured in january to rumoured in february https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-allegedly-postponed-till-february-rtx-3060-12gb-6gb-in-january
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Dec 15, 2020 15:02
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I sold my 5600XT for £15 or so more than I'd paid for it new. Looking at Ebay, I could have got a lot more but I don't really like the idea of fleecing some young dude who just wanted more FPS in his MMOs. I wonder how much crazier things are gonna get in the run up to Christmas.
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Dec 15, 2020 15:16
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Ragingsheep posted:I'm at work but anyone tried this fix yet? I have a very similar system to the OP of that Reddit thread (4790K, 1080Ti) and it makes an enormous difference for me. I went from a stuttering mess on Low settings to respectably smooth on Medium with no changes other than assigning 6 GB to the CPU and GPU in that file.
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Dec 15, 2020 15:59
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https://steamcommunity.com/games/1089130/announcements/detail/2903097291402265207 Quake 2 RTX works on AMD cards now if any Big Navi havers want to try it
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Dec 15, 2020 16:05
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The Grumbles posted:I sold my 5600XT for £15 or so more than I'd paid for it new. Looking at Ebay, I could have got a lot more but I don't really like the idea of fleecing some young dude who just wanted more FPS in his MMOs. I wonder how much crazier things are gonna get in the run up to Christmas. I wonder what's going to happen after the holiday pressure to  lets up a bit. I'd guess more of the same, but less frantic.
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Dec 15, 2020 16:12
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Speaking of companies doing Pre-Orders and seem to actually be trying to do something about it. You can at least right now, Pre-Order from ShopBLT.com pretty much all the AMD CPU's and GPU's. No money moves of course until the item ships, and if you want to cancel you have to wait a day from when you first put in the order, but otherwise its a way to at least get in line if you wanna stop stressing on finding something that may/may not come in stock.
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really wish they were all just sold by the manufacturers, given they do warranty support as well the value add of the retailer is basically 0.
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Dec 15, 2020 18:08
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EdEddnEddy posted:Speaking of companies doing Pre-Orders and seem to actually be trying to do something about it. to add to this , the prices seems pretty bad but not if you assume the tax and shipping is part of the price.
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Fauxtool posted:to add to this , the prices seems pretty bad but not if you assume the tax and shipping is part of the price. Considering shipping is Free and it looks like Sales Tax isn't collected for all but 2 states per their FAQ. Q: Do you charge sales tax? What about international duties and taxes? A: We collect sales tax for shipments to Connecticut and Hawaii. We do not collect tax for any other states at this time. Your shopping cart will show you the total tax for your order after you've submitted your shipping information, prior to submitting your order. So while they say they don't their prices reflect close to what it would be so it's a tossup. Their notice about not being able to take pre orders went up shortly after I put in mine so I guess they have an allotment they open it too per day depending on incoming stock or something. Still, at least I'm virtually in line now... 
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What kind of RT performance are y'all seeing at 3440x1440 in CP2077? Do you turn on all three RT options and still get 50-60 fps or do you have to turn some of those off like in the DF video?
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Dec 15, 2020 20:21
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v1ld posted:What kind of RT performance are y'all seeing at 3440x1440 in CP2077? Do you turn on all three RT options and still get 50-60 fps or do you have to turn some of those off like in the DF video? I found that 3440x1440 I was getting about 50-55 FPS average with RT Ultra and DLSS quality mode (would not recommend Balanced or Performance). Psycho (RT global illumination) drops that down another 5-10 FPS average (9700k, 3090) The game's UI is kind of broken for 21:9 screens though so I just dropped it to 1440p and it runs in the high 50s-low 60s average with dips down to the mid 40s in heavy areas.
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Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. The menu breaking at 21:9 is bizarre and annoying, was no one at CDPR playing that ratio? Is there anything coming out that looks like it'll be more demanding than CP2077 RT-wise? The consoles being under-powered relative to a 3070 probably indicates not many RT-native games this gen. Was playing around with RT in CP and Control on Geforce Now. Funny thing is both games look great with full RT on, but they both also look very good with it off. But that still sold me on the higher fidelity lighting of RT being worth it.
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v1ld posted:What kind of RT performance are y'all seeing at 3440x1440 in CP2077? Do you turn on all three RT options and still get 50-60 fps or do you have to turn some of those off like in the DF video? 3440x1440 with all 3 RTX options on, set to High, and DLSS set to Auto, with everything else set to High except Cascading Shadows (Medium), on my 5600X + 3080 I get a pretty solid 65+ FPS in most scenes, bottoming out around 50-55 on occasion, and 70-80 FPS in smaller interior low complexity scenes. Using the hex edit fix for the .exe did add 3-5 FPS for me. The UI dropping back to 2560x1440 is weird, but not a real problem for me. On occasion it's stuck with that ratio when I go back into the actual game (chopping off the side edges), but popping back into the menu and then back out again has so far always fixed it. Minor annoyance, at most. e; bigger annoyance is that DLSS is still on in the menus and totally wrecks the visual quality of the paper doll there. I'd like them to disable DLSS entirely in the menus, since there's really no need for it, but I'm not sure if that's possible for them. DrDork fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Dec 15, 2020 |
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repiv posted:https://steamcommunity.com/games/1089130/announcements/detail/2903097291402265207 But not on my 2080s that it used to work on... Let's play driver or update game
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DrDork posted:3440x1440 with all 3 RTX options on, set to High, and DLSS set to Auto, with everything else set to High except Cascading Shadows (Medium), on my 5600X + 3080 I get a pretty solid 65+ FPS in most scenes, bottoming out around 50-55 on occasion, and 70-80 FPS in smaller interior low complexity scenes. Cool, good to hear. I was doing my usual over-analysis of tech purchases. Seems like a 3080 will be a solid purchase for this gen. Now I just have to get hold of one by early Feb which shouldn't be a problem. The menus seem designed for 16:9 so there's no real issue even when truncated other than tutorial prompts going off-screen but pressing C gets rid of those.
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Twibbit posted:But not on my 2080s that it used to work on... Let's play driver or update game It defaults to using the official Vulkan RT extension now which is only supported by the new NV and AMD drivers released today There's a launch flag you can use to force it back to the earlier NV-only extension if you really need to v1ld posted:Is there anything coming out that looks like it'll be more demanding than CP2077 RT-wise? Nothing sticks out at the moment, but there's quite a few upcoming RT games where the only thing we know is they have RT but not what they're using RT for Witcher 3s nextgen patch will probably have the same suite of effects as Cyberpunk I guess
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v1ld posted:Cool, good to hear. I was doing my usual over-analysis of tech purchases. Seems like a 3080 will be a solid purchase for this gen. Now I just have to get hold of one by early Feb which shouldn't be a problem. Yeah, a 3080 is certainly a solid performer here, and jumping to a 3090 seems to only add 5-10FPS with all the pretties on, so a pretty high cost for that benefit (and with DLSS + RTX off the 3080 can hit 100+). There's always rumors of a 3080 Ti that will probably slot in somewhere between the two in both price and performance--so waiting a few extra months to spend +$200-$300 for an extra 3-5 FPS seems like not really worth the wait to me, but to each their own on that front.
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How is DLSS in general with 1440p? My understanding is that there needs to be enough pixels at the downscaled resolution in order to give the software enough data to guess with when it upscales? So DLSS is less impactful at 1440p and 1080p vs 4k right?
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v1ld posted:What kind of RT performance are y'all seeing at 3440x1440 in CP2077? Do you turn on all three RT options and still get 50-60 fps or do you have to turn some of those off like in the DF video? I maxed everything with Psycho, 5900X, 3080 FE, and get a low of 47fps in busy scenes from what I’ve seen. G-Sync does a lot to have made me thought I was getting 60. This was with DLSS set to Quality.
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repiv posted:Witcher 3s nextgen patch will probably have the same suite of effects as Cyberpunk I guess Hope so! I spent an entire (enjoyable) week modding it for a second comprehensive run right before they announced that nextgen patch. Holding off until that comes out. I wonder how the materials in TW3 will look with RT lighting relative to 2077's amazing work - which extends to non-RT lighting as well. Just outstanding tech and design.
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buglord posted:How is DLSS in general with 1440p? My understanding is that there needs to be enough pixels at the downscaled resolution in order to give the software enough data to guess with when it upscales? So DLSS is less impactful at 1440p and 1080p vs 4k right? It almost doubles the FPS @ 1440p in CP2077. I see some evidence of it (whereas in other games I didn't see any) but its still plenty worth it. So yeah, it's better for 4k but it's still really good with 1440p.
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buglord posted:How is DLSS in general with 1440p? My understanding is that there needs to be enough pixels at the downscaled resolution in order to give the software enough data to guess with when it upscales? So DLSS is less impactful at 1440p and 1080p vs 4k right? Going "too low" on DLSS ends up getting crappy results because yeah, it simply doesn't have enough raw data to work with. 4k you get more buffer room there because DLSS-P is still 720p, which is "enough" to get decent results. DLSS-P at 1440p is an internal render of 480p, IIRC, and it shows. At 3440x1440p, DLSS-Q and -B look pretty good, especially if you're moving around and not trying to hawk tiny details in the background shadows or whatnot. DLSS-P and -UP are noticeable losses of IQ. Any level of DLSS trashes the quality of the paper doll in the menus and V's model in mirrors for whatever reason. Overall I've been real happy with leaving it on DLSS-Auto, which seems to move between DLSS-Q and -B to keep FPS around 65 ish for me. DLSS + RTX to me looks better than native 1440p without RTX.
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repiv posted:It defaults to using the official Vulkan RT extension now which is only supported by the new NV and AMD drivers released today I was using the new driver
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Twibbit posted:I was using the new driver Dunno, it's working for me on 460.89 
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Reinstalling the driver fixed it. The denoiser improvements combined with the temporal upscaler make a much cleaner image.
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DrDork posted:DLSS + RTX to me looks better than native 1440p without RTX. Same. I went back and forth between 1440p with no RTX and DLSS 1440p Quality+RTX and while native is noticeably sharper, the ray traced lighting and reflections keep me on DLSS.
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I'm tempted to sell my old Radeon R9 280x to scare up a hundred bucks, because suddenly that's a reasonable asking price for it again. Geez.
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Behold, the greatest Nvidia driver bug:quote:[Nicehash, other mining software]: Mining software does not recognize the NVIDIA GPU. [3200758] I don't see the problem here.
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