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Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Kramer is so fantastic for Mistborn. I want him to read to me forever. Like, it completely shaped how I view those characters (ie Dockson is Irish. Breeze is British)

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RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Did Kramer do the Wheel of Time audiobooks too? Those are a really easy listen

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Evil Fluffy posted:

I might've agreed with you up until a few weeks ago.

Yea the cube being powered by a ... Seon? was curious. But I think that's the only thing, right? And there is at least one Selish person on Roshar, that Purelake interlude but I forget where / if else they've appeared.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Sab669 posted:

Yea the cube being powered by a ... Seon? was curious. But I think that's the only thing, right? And there is at least one Selish person on Roshar, that Purelake interlude but I forget where / if else they've appeared.

yeah elantris basically doesn't matter until, i'm guessing, elantris 2 comes out in like a decade from now

Leng
May 13, 2006

One song / Glory
One song before I go / Glory
One song to leave behind


No other road
No other way
No day but today

Zaggitz posted:

If you like how much the Kramer narration feels like audio plays then you will love Stormlight because it's him and his wife swapping narration based on PoV gender and it fully rules.

I do not like audiobooks generally but this I need to know. For RoW who did the Sibling's narration, considering that the Sibling doesn't identify as either male or female?

Sab669 posted:

Yea the cube being powered by a ... Seon? was curious. But I think that's the only thing, right? And there is at least one Selish person on Roshar, that Purelake interlude but I forget where / if else they've appeared.

We have not seen Galladon anywhere else again. What I'm wondering is Hoid said "unbound" Seons were really rare and that begs the question: Seons are cognitive entities, how the hell did they get it OFF Sel and onto Roshar? Veil found it in Shallan's drawer!

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

Leng posted:

I do not like audiobooks generally but this I need to know. For RoW who did the Sibling's narration, considering that the Sibling doesn't identify as either male or female?


So far it's only interacted with Navani who was the POV character at the time, so the narration was female. The voice used by the narrator was pretty neutral though, if a bit fearful for obvious reasons.

jebrown84
Aug 27, 2005

Help me Johnny Boy you're my only hope.

Leng posted:

What I'm wondering is Hoid said "unbound" Seons were really rare and that begs the question: Seons are cognitive entities, how the hell did they get it OFF Sel and onto Roshar? Veil found it in Shallan's drawer!

Oh my I hadn't realized that.

Space Butler
Dec 3, 2010

Lipstick Apathy

Leng posted:

I do not like audiobooks generally but this I need to know. For RoW who did the Sibling's narration, considering that the Sibling doesn't identify as either male or female?


We have not seen Galladon anywhere else again. What I'm wondering is Hoid said "unbound" Seons were really rare and that begs the question: Seons are cognitive entities, how the hell did they get it OFF Sel and onto Roshar? Veil found it in Shallan's drawer!

Was the cube aluminium or something? I'm assuming it's going to turn out to be the kind of thing you need a specialised vessel to do.

And The Sibling will probably be voiced by both of them, depending on who's PoV the chapter is from

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Space Butler posted:

Was the cube aluminium or something? I'm assuming it's going to turn out to be the kind of thing you need a specialised vessel to do.

I'm guessing it's not because aluminum usually interferes with / stops forms of investiture doing whatever they do.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Sab669 posted:

I'm guessing it's not because aluminum usually interferes with / stops forms of investiture doing whatever they do.

Correct. That would likely prohibit the Seon from communicating at all.

That it functions is not a surprise, how they got something so Connected to that planet (especially that planet, given the location/identity-based magic system it uses) off-world is really a critically interesting question.


...and of course Hoid has one.

Leng
May 13, 2006

One song / Glory
One song before I go / Glory
One song to leave behind


No other road
No other way
No day but today
Following on from this RoW chat a few pages back:

mewse posted:

IDK if Brandon spoke to a scientist about audio frequencies and noise cancelling. He probably did and decided the story wins out. It took me out of the story a little bit because the characters didn't have the tech to do destructive interference of sound waves, just messing around with wave frequency (tuning forks, trimming resonant plates). His out is probably that it's not a sine wave, he describes a rhythm to the tones, but bleh

Tunzie posted:

This WoB talks a little bit about this - https://wob.coppermind.net/events/451/#e14471

mewse posted:

Thanks for this, I'm glad he considered it but I wish he hadn't brought destructive interference into the story. He's facing the same mechanics going on with stormlight/voidlight/lifelight because light frequencies determine colour where sound frequencies determine tone, but he's not going to introduce destructive interference with light because there aren't light cancelling sunglasses for him to drag in from the real world. The prism experiment that Navani performs didn't irk me like the way he dealt with sound.

I feel it would have been better if he'd written that the tones of honor, cultivation, odium and their opposites are all just different and the opposites nullify the main ones through intent - since that's basically how the light system seems to be shaking out - rather than say "yeah it's destructive interference" "but that makes no sense" "*waves hands* ... intent."


A Reddit fan wrote a scientific paper on designing a new and improved spanreed: https://pdfhost.io/v/ARg7Wd9Su_NewSpanreedpdf.pdf

In the Reddit thread itself Sanderson posted this apology:

quote:

My apologies for the ways I have to bend real science at times. (Such as adding intent to destructive interference the way I did to make it work in the narrative.)

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
After being almost a week removed from finishing the Mistborn trilogy, I’ve still been thinking about it a lot.

Some random things I’ve been thinking:

- I think it’s kind of fascinating how much Elend sucks throughout the trilogy. Don’t get me wrong, I love Elend, but he fails at pretty much everything he does. I wish he would have had at least one or two more victories, however minor. “Here lies Elend. He failed at everything and then got decapitated

- I wish there was just a LITTLE more closure on Marsh/the Koloss/the Kandra. I know a lot of this is addressed in Era 2, but like there were literally Koloss rampaging through the caverns when Sazed ascended. Did he do anything about that? I would have just loved even a single line to address it immediately. Even if it was about Marsh walking away or something.

- I feel like at some point, the amount of death in the story started almost becoming like background noise since it was just endless without much context. Exactly how much of the world’s population was wiped out? Sanderson is so concrete in the magic systems but I feel like the actual world building was very soft. It feels like, by the end, maybe a couple hundred thousand people survived? If that?

- it was bold as hell to kill off the main couple and I’m sad they didn’t get much time to just live a happy life. Vin had a hard life and only a few years that contained fleeting moments of happiness. She’s an incredibly tragic character and I wish she would have been able to have at least a little peace.

Overall, I think that I’m just surprised at how much this series was different from what I expected. Very few happy endings. A lot of misery.


But I am very happy to have read this trilogy and they have become some of my favorite books of all time. So much so that I went out and bought the box set and started reading it to my wife. We are only a few chapters into the first book and she is already loving it. And it’s fun to immediately dive back in since I have (almost) the full context for everything going on.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Mordiceius posted:

After being almost a week removed from finishing the Mistborn trilogy, I’ve still been thinking about it a lot.

Some random things I’ve been thinking:

- I think it’s kind of fascinating how much Elend sucks throughout the trilogy. Don’t get me wrong, I love Elend, but he fails at pretty much everything he does. I wish he would have had at least one or two more victories, however minor. “Here lies Elend. He failed at everything and then got decapitated

- I wish there was just a LITTLE more closure on Marsh/the Koloss/the Kandra. I know a lot of this is addressed in Era 2, but like there were literally Koloss rampaging through the caverns when Sazed ascended. Did he do anything about that? I would have just loved even a single line to address it immediately. Even if it was about Marsh walking away or something.

- I feel like at some point, the amount of death in the story started almost becoming like background noise since it was just endless without much context. Exactly how much of the world’s population was wiped out? Sanderson is so concrete in the magic systems but I feel like the actual world building was very soft. It feels like, by the end, maybe a couple hundred thousand people survived? If that?

- it was bold as hell to kill off the main couple and I’m sad they didn’t get much time to just live a happy life. Vin had a hard life and only a few years that contained fleeting moments of happiness. She’s an incredibly tragic character and I wish she would have been able to have at least a little peace.

Overall, I think that I’m just surprised at how much this series was different from what I expected. Very few happy endings. A lot of misery.


But I am very happy to have read this trilogy and they have become some of my favorite books of all time. So much so that I went out and bought the box set and started reading it to my wife. We are only a few chapters into the first book and she is already loving it. And it’s fun to immediately dive back in since I have (almost) the full context for everything going on.

I'll post a small thing about your questions. Read them if you wish.

RC Edit: I'll trim some off the spoilers. Again read at your own risk

Marsh He is alive in era 2
Kandra Survive as a race. They lost some of their memories from the time when they reverted to Mistwraiths.
Koloss Sazed makes them a true breeding race. There are Koloss/Human offspring in era 2.

[mod edit: I've been told these are actually significant spoilers for the overall series]

RC Cola fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Dec 16, 2020

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Emperor's Soul was my introduction to the Cosmere, and I think that my early attention to the cognitive and spiritual aspects of Cosmere magic has been a huge boon.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Potato Salad posted:

Emperor's Soul was my introduction to the Cosmere, and I think that my early attention to the cognitive and spiritual aspects of Cosmere magic has been a huge boon.

That's good to hear, since I've been recommending it to everyone lol

Tunzie
Aug 9, 2008

Potato Salad posted:

Emperor's Soul was my introduction to the Cosmere, and I think that my early attention to the cognitive and spiritual aspects of Cosmere magic has been a huge boon.

Emperor's Soul is also how I got a friend of mine started on Sanderson; I'm still convinced it's his best, single work.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
Mord, just get to reading era 2.

Leng
May 13, 2006

One song / Glory
One song before I go / Glory
One song to leave behind


No other road
No other way
No day but today
Full Stormlight Archive spoiler livestream announced for Dec 17:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdf5qvA7AWk

Gonna be on his YouTube channel if anyone has burning questions they wanna ask.

Me, I'll probably wait until some 17th shard person transcribes all of them and devour all the questions on Arcanum later. Mainly because I'm more excited about the State of Sanderson coming out this week than anything!

bewilderment
Nov 22, 2007
man what



I think Warbreaker is a good changeup in between the two Mistborn eras to give a bit of a feel of 'time passes'.

As far as Elantris, Hrathen is fun, Raoden is an interesting take on a fantasy hero even if he's very goody-goody. But Sarene's POV suffers and it feels like she was written by someone who's seen more female characters in media than actually interacted with women in real life.

Suggestion: at some point after reading an entry in one of the longer series and wanting a change-up, read Elantris.
Then have Emperor's Soul. As a treat.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
So I had no idea this Q&A existed, but I’m happy it does because it actually answered a lot of my questions and gave me a lot more peace with the ending to the trilogy. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/243-hero-of-ages-qa-time-wasters-guide/

I don’t know who this Hoid fellow is who is mentioned or his role in the Cosmere but, I assume that in the book he was the begged informant in Fadrex City that Vin was about to meet after Slowswift but then got a bad vibe and bounced instead. I always thought that moment was a little weird.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Mordiceius posted:

So I had no idea this Q&A existed, but I’m happy it does because it actually answered a lot of my questions and gave me a lot more peace with the ending to the trilogy. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/243-hero-of-ages-qa-time-wasters-guide/

I don’t know who this Hoid fellow is who is mentioned or his role in the Cosmere but, I assume that in the book he was the begged informant in Fadrex City that Vin was about to meet after Slowswift but then got a bad vibe and bounced instead. I always thought that moment was a little weird.

You are correct :munch:

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Democratic Pirate posted:

You are correct :munch:

When will I learn who Hoid is? Which series is he part of? Stormlight?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Mordiceius posted:

When will I learn who Hoid is? Which series is he part of? Stormlight?

at the moment he's basically gilgamesh from final fantasy

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Mordiceius posted:

When will I learn who Hoid is? Which series is he part of? Stormlight?

He has the most appearances in Stormlight, but you’ll spot him in other places if you keep an eye out.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

He is most prominent in Stormlight, but there's still a pretty big amount of mystery around him.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Mordiceius posted:

When will I learn who Hoid is? Which series is he part of? Stormlight?

hes you, the reader,

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Hoid is an easter egg who isn't an actual character until Stormlight. Except when he is.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Tunicate posted:

at the moment he's basically gilgamesh from final fantasy

This is the best description someone could give. I immediately understand everything about him without knowing anything about him. lol

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004

Knowing nothing about Hoid is kind of Hoid’s deal.

Rosalie_A
Oct 30, 2011

Mordiceius posted:

This is the best description someone could give. I immediately understand everything about him without knowing anything about him. lol

More specifically, he's Gilgamesh but Final Fantasy V hasn't been released yet and instead we just know him as Greg, a wandering warrior searching for powerful swords who also makes cameos in other games.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Bruceski posted:

Hoid is an easter egg who isn't an actual character until Stormlight. Except when he is.

It's actually kind of cool that Hoid is becoming a real fleshed-out character as the scope of the stormlight archive expands, rather than just cameos

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

Leng posted:

Full Stormlight Archive spoiler livestream announced for Dec 17:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdf5qvA7AWk

Gonna be on his YouTube channel if anyone has burning questions they wanna ask.

Me, I'll probably wait until some 17th shard person transcribes all of them and devour all the questions on Arcanum later. Mainly because I'm more excited about the State of Sanderson coming out this week than anything!

State of Sanderson should be out this afternoon per the stream.

Not too many big spoilers in the stream, lots of "Read and Find Out". Brandon did answer a question about a tone issue that came up during beta reading readers felt Kaladin's sections were too depressing. Brandon thought our current pandemic setting may have had an effect on reader reception, which I would tend to agree with, especially with Kaladin not only fighting depression but doing so frequently isolated from others. In response he tried to lighten up the tone in several of the Shallan and Adolin chapters. He also mentioned that Kaladin has "turned a corner" at this point, which makes me pleased. Even as someone who personally appreciates the accurate representation of chronic depression in Kaladin, it's starting to feel wearisome to read him repeatedly being put through sadness hell.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Subvisual Haze posted:

State of Sanderson should be out this afternoon per the stream.

Not too many big spoilers in the stream, lots of "Read and Find Out". Brandon did answer a question about a tone issue that came up during beta reading readers felt Kaladin's sections were too depressing. Brandon thought our current pandemic setting may have had an effect on reader reception, which I would tend to agree with, especially with Kaladin not only fighting depression but doing so frequently isolated from others. In response he tried to lighten up the tone in several of the Shallan and Adolin chapters. He also mentioned that Kaladin has "turned a corner" at this point, which makes me pleased. Even as someone who personally appreciates the accurate representation of chronic depression in Kaladin, it's starting to feel wearisome to read him repeatedly being put through sadness hell.

I feel like we were pretty much promised that with RoW anyways. 2 Most notable details being Wit telling Kaladin he will feel warm again, and the 4th ideal to "counteract" a major trigger of his (feeling guilty/bad for not being able to do everything he thinks he should)

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Subvisual Haze posted:

Not too many big spoilers in the stream, lots of "Read and Find Out".

the whole beginning is him fighting with his huge parrot lmao (who keeps trying to steal his lav mic)

in retrospect, it's increasingly obvious why aviars exist in the cosmere

Sab669 posted:

I feel like we were pretty much promised that with RoW anyways. 2 Most notable details being Wit telling Kaladin he will feel warm again, and the 4th ideal to "counteract" a major trigger of his (feeling guilty/bad for not being able to do everything he thinks he should)

notable for me is that "odium did excise and remove a little bit of Wit's breaths, so it would be noticeable" -- seems to rule out "he stole all/a huge portion of his breaths" theorizing

also Odium "removed them, he did not gain them" like we've seen Vasher do once -- given the reference to it being a very small amount, it might just be referring to removing the memory of the first encounter where Hoid realizes that it's not Rayse

imo this would be consistent with my theory that Taravangian is Smart and would not be dumb enough to remove a bunch of important memories, since he's aware that Hoid is also smart and doesn't want to incur his suspicion (but T isn't good enough to do it in a totally undetectable way)

eke out fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 18, 2020

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



more ROW spoilers from the stream:

also confirmed that the suspected Terrisman house steward that owned the "red chicken" that Lift finds was a feruchemist keeping an eye on Dalinar and his household

we pretty much guessed this since his outfit and the apparent changing of age were big red flags that some Feruchemy was going on

Skuzal
Oct 21, 2008

eke out posted:


notable for me is that "odium did excise and remove a little bit of Wit's breaths, so it would be noticeable" -- seems to rule out "he stole all/a huge portion of his breaths" theorizing

also Odium "removed them, he did not gain them" like we've seen Vasher do once -- given the reference to it being a very small amount, it might just be referring to removing the memory of the first encounter where Hoid realizes that it's not Rayse

imo this would be consistent with my theory that Taravangian is Smart and would not be dumb enough to remove a bunch of important memories, since he's aware that Hoid is also smart and doesn't want to incur his suspicion (but T isn't good enough to do it in a totally undetectable way)


Spoilers for Mistborn and RoW.

I kind of wonder if Hoid stored his memories elsewhere as well. We know that he has mistborn powers and knows about unattuned Copperminds, so who is to say that he doesn't have multiple backups for his memories. With how paranoid he seems to be, it would not surprise me if that is something he had done, especially if he suspected that people could remove / destroy his memories. I do think that it takes a bit from Odium removing his memories but I also think that it shows that beating him is possible.

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

eke out posted:

the whole beginning is him fighting with his huge parrot lmao (who keeps trying to steal his lav mic)

in retrospect, it's increasingly obvious why aviars exist in the cosmere


notable for me is that "odium did excise and remove a little bit of Wit's breaths, so it would be noticeable" -- seems to rule out "he stole all/a huge portion of his breaths" theorizing

also Odium "removed them, he did not gain them" like we've seen Vasher do once -- given the reference to it being a very small amount, it might just be referring to removing the memory of the first encounter where Hoid realizes that it's not Rayse

imo this would be consistent with my theory that Taravangian is Smart and would not be dumb enough to remove a bunch of important memories, since he's aware that Hoid is also smart and doesn't want to incur his suspicion (but T isn't good enough to do it in a totally undetectable way)


Yes it sounds like Odium merely removed the last couple minutes of memory from Hoid. Most likely just to keep intact the secret that he's not Rayse, which he gave away during the first time through their dialogue by asking a question that Rayse wouldn't have. Even if Hoid notices the last few minutes of his memory are tampered with, he wouldn't be capable of guessing why Odium specifically would mess with his memory. Hoid will be suspicious, but Odium keeps his secret safe for now.

The most significant reveal on stream was an accidental one Someone asked who Renarin had a crush on, and then some miscommunication between Brandon and his assistant and chat accidentally confirmed that Renarin likes Rlain.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


https://www.brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-2020/

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009


quote:

That means I’ll start writing Stormlight 5 on January 1st, 2022 for a fall 2023 release.

God that sounds so far away. At least I guess I'm confident he'll hit that date, unlike many other authors :(

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rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


Would have liked to see another Rithmatist instead of Alcatraz or Reckoners, especially the latter. I bought each of the Reckoners but just didn't care about them. Really enjoyed Rithmatist a lot more.

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