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So I'm looking to build a PC or two for the kids, it might be time for them to build their first light sabers or something. I took PCPartPicker's "entry level" and tweaked a few things, ended up right about in line with their "modest" build. A couple parts I'll be getting for free, like the SSD and GPU, which will be hand-me-downs from my PC as it gets upgraded/rebuilt this spring, but I left them in the list for the purpose of speccing accurately. The big goal is to have it be fully sufficient for most things a younger gamer might be allowed to play, and have some room for growth over the next half a decade. I bumped the starting build from an i3 to an i5, and put in a nicer power supply. I'll probably provide a modest budget for the case and let the future owner pick what they want within that, just for fun. Any thoughts or egregious errors spotted? PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-10400 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Best Buy) Motherboard: Gigabyte B460M DS3H AC Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($93.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Free hand-me-down Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card Free hand-me-down Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.53 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.17 @ Amazon) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($108.78 @ Other World Computing) Monitor: Dell SE2419HR 23.8" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor ($104.99 @ Amazon) Keyboard: HP Z9N38AA#ABA Wired Slim Keyboard ($26.99 @ Amazon) Mouse: Logitech G203 Lightsync Wired Optical Mouse ($14.99 @ Logitech)
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:There are two goons in SA Mart who can help you out drat that's some good deals, thanks
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Bad Munki posted:So I'm looking to build a PC or two for the kids, it might be time for them to build their first light sabers or something. The only thing I spot is that the PSU isn't in stock, at least as sold by Newegg. This is a pretty good option (and it's in stock at Best Buy at least for me): https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KmgzK8/seasonic-focus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fm
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Dec 17, 2020 06:28
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I signed up for every 3XXX GPU alert and they are gone in microseconds. I was staring at the alert window and clicked it the moment it was posted and it was gone. This has happened a dozen times.
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Dec 17, 2020 06:56
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Inzombiac posted:I signed up for every 3XXX GPU alert and they are gone in microseconds. There was an amazon listing for the 3080 earlier this evening that stayed up for about a minute or two, which makes me really suspicious of how many of those orders they can fill.
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Dec 17, 2020 07:00
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Booyah- posted:There was an amazon listing for the 3080 earlier this evening that stayed up for about a minute or two, which makes me really suspicious of how many of those orders they can fill. It was up for like a full 6 minutes according to the discord chat, and I got one in the first minute. Typically I click it, hit buy now, hit place order, and get the out of stock message. Inzombiac posted:I signed up for every 3XXX GPU alert and they are gone in microseconds. Every single one was like this until today. Camp a discord channel all day and you too can get the slim chance to buy a card at MSRP! Bondematt fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 07:03
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Any thoughts on Fractal Design Define 7 vs Corsair Carbide Series 275Q? Newegg sent me the wrong case for my SFF build and sent me a Define 7 (I ordered a Node 202). They said I could send it back for refund or keep it and I was prepping to send it when it did occur to me that the Define 7 is actually more expensive than the Node 202. I currently have my desktop in the Corsair but I could keep the case and move over to Define 7 if it was much of an improvement.
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Dec 17, 2020 07:23
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Inzombiac posted:I signed up for every 3XXX GPU alert and they are gone in microseconds. Same, I was actually on newegg f5ing before the discords even updated and I still never even got one in my cart. I would love to fast forward a couple weeks and see if absolutely anything changes
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Dec 17, 2020 07:29
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nitsuga posted:The only thing I spot is that the PSU isn't in stock, at least as sold by Newegg. This is a pretty good option (and it's in stock at Best Buy at least for me): https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KmgzK8/seasonic-focus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fm Sure, that’s fair. I figure most anything gold and in the 500W+ range should work great for my needs, plenty of breathing room now with some room to grow, so that one will just be according to what’s available at the time I actually order parts. Thanks!
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Dec 17, 2020 07:48
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Bondematt posted:It was up for like a full 6 minutes according to the discord chat, and I got one in the first minute. I bought one as soon as I heard the alert, at the first the estimated date was after January and now it says Dec 28, so maybe a good sign? You have to wonder how many were ordered by bots though lol
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Dec 17, 2020 07:56
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You don't have to worry about the ship dates on Amazon, they almost always deliver them earlier and they'll never cancel, they wont pull a newegg on you
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Dec 17, 2020 08:19
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Is it worth upgrading my 2600x to a 3600? I was eyeing that newegg link, or I could wait to see if I can get a 3600x or a 3700 for a reasonable price. less than 5% improvement for software, and 10-20fps tops in most games in 1080p, not really sure that's worth the $200 or so.
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Dec 17, 2020 08:26
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While we wait for 5900s and 3080s to come back into existence, I've been looking to make a few small upgrades to my currently-outdated computer, and do a bit of OCing where I can, to keep it around as a backup gaming/work computer. Where could one find 2x16GB 1600 DDR3 RAM? My initial Amazon and Ebay searches didn't turn up much, and PCPP isn't showing any 16GB sticks. Would that be the best RAM this motherboard would be able to accept? edit: Actually, it looks like PCPP was wrong. According to MSI the max this board can handle is 16GB, so nevermind about the 2x16. literally this big fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 08:45
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infraboy posted:You don't have to worry about the ship dates on Amazon, they almost always deliver them earlier and they'll never cancel, they wont pull a newegg on you Yeah my GPU came significantly earlier than the ship date
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Dec 17, 2020 13:04
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:You may end up needing to pull the battery, which is annoying but will ensure a cmos clear. Pulling the battery will solve it. I doubt it needs it, but might as well pull the ram while the battery is out too and reseat. I had to totally remove the mobo from the case and take the backplate off, the rear I/O shield and a bunch of other tiny screws to even be able to get at the battery but I've just managed to get at it without breaking anything (hopefully) and have unplugged the battery from the motherboard. I have a lesson now so I don't have time to put everything back together but at least that will make it absolutely certain that the CMOS will be cleared by the time I put it back together in 2 hours. This will just clear the settings and won't revert the BIOS back to the pre-Zen 3 version, will it? Although even if it does for whatever reason my 5600x worked without flashback so hopefully that won't be an issue.
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I wasn't able to get the 5600X on Friday like I thought, they didn't update their stock online. However, Microcenter had a bunch yesterday. Website said 25+ in the morning. I was worried because I got there at 2, and the line was about 100 deep and took over an hour to get in. Still was able to snag it though. Here's what I ended up with. They didn't have motherboard someone recommended earlier. Are there dummy proof instructions on how to update the BIOS for the 5600x that you guys recommend? Still waiting on a couple parts to come in on Saturday. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $299.00) Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $139.99) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $89.42) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $109.99) Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card (Purchased For $249.99) Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case (Purchased For $49.99) Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $64.99) Total: $1003.37 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-17 08:47 EST-0500 Raimondo fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 14:54
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Since I'm running a GTX 970, I was thinking about upgrading to a 3070 since that's right in my price range. Is there a compelling reason to spring for a 3080 instead? Sometimes there is a big difference but unless it's detailed in a chart made for babies, I won't understand it.
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Dec 17, 2020 15:39
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Inzombiac posted:Since I'm running a GTX 970, I was thinking about upgrading to a 3070 since that's right in my price range.
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FlamingLiberal posted:There’s a decent jump in framerates across the board with a 3080 compared to a 3070. Good luck finding a 3080 though. Alright. I can buy one at MSRP if I'm careful next month but yeah, they're only in stock once a week for about a quarter of a second.
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I picked up a 5600X yesterday - I'm currently using this EVGA DDR 3200-CL16 RAM, which I purchased in 2016 for my last build. This kit is, obviously, not on the QVL for my board (ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming), should I give it a shot and see if it works before I pick up a new kit? Or would I be better off picking up something new?
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pocket pool posted:I picked up a 5600X yesterday - I'm currently using this EVGA DDR 3200-CL16 RAM, which I purchased in 2016 for my last build. Send it. No reason not to try as it's still decent speed and everything.
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Inzombiac posted:Alright. I can buy one at MSRP if I'm careful next month but yeah, they're only in stock once a week for about a quarter of a second. What games are you playing and at what resolution etc To be the angel on your shoulder it's very hard to get one at MSRP, some of the places selling them are doing annoying bundles, MSRP for plenty of the models is higher due to "factory overclocking," etc.
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I just got a good deal on a gtx 1080. I currently have a 2600x running in a Asus Prime B450M-A motherboard. Time to upgrade the CPU? Or both CPU and motherboard?
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What country are you in? USA What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? I'd say 30% of the time web/software development and 70% gaming. This won't be the main development computer, this is the backup development computer. What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. $1500 is max. If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? What’s your typical project size and complexity? If you use multiple pieces of software, what’s your workflow? The only coding i would still be doing on this primarily is Unity development. That's all small team stuff. Otherwise random code editors and stuff. If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? I have a 4k 144hz monitor thanks to work. I don't see 4k 144hz being realistic until next gen (RTX 4XXX series) at the earliest. I try to max out 2k where I can for non AAA games and hope for 60 in any AAA games (The computer needs to be able to play assassins creed well). So I actually was in the thread last year, and you guys helped me build a fancy linux computer. When you helped me build that, the plan was to have a windows computer for gaming and a linux computer for work until I could afford a big SSD so I could dual boot windows on the linux computer and get rid of the windows computer. Well, over the last year I ended up really liking having 2 separate computers. It's really really nice not having to shut down and restart development environments all the time. I can just leave the linux computer on, go play games on the windows computer, and the come back to my workspace how I left it. So now that brings me to why i'm here. The windows computer is kind of showing its age. The CPU is a huge bottleneck at this point. It has an i5-7600k in it (which I OCed) and its paired with a 2070 Super. I wasn't planning on upgrading this year and was hoping to do it next year when more 4k friendly stuff got released but I have a friend willing to buy this windows computer which could be a nice rebate that I wouldn't get if I waited to upgrade till next year. So the strategy would be to buy for a CPU now, and then wait till RTX 4000 comes out and then buy a GPU then. I was planning on going for a zen 3 Ryzen but there are some problems with that. Besides the whole stock issue, apparently you need to do that stupid mobo flash thing to get the zen 3 CPUs working on currently available mobos? I absolutely refuse to do that. I couldn't find release dates on whatever launches after the X570 that supports zen 3 out of the box. So I started looking at intel CPUs. I came across this article (https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html) which rates the i7-10700K very close to the zen 3 CPUs for 2k gaming. I put together a part list but I really have no idea what i'm doing. Is it worth going down this avenue at all? The i7 is about $350 but i'll gladly pay money to not deal with this mobo flashing nonsense AMD wants you to do PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($93.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon) Memory: OLOy WarHawk RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL19 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($0.00) Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass ATX Full Tower Case ($114.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: EVGA B5 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1023.94 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-17 11:15 EST-0500 I chose the CPU cooler because it was the cheapest water cooler on the list, I thought the mobo was kind of overpriced but the alternatives were much more expensive, the ram was chosen because last time you guys pushed me to get higher speed ram so this was the highest speed ram I could find for not super expensive, the 2070 Super will be recycled from my current computer, and the case and PSU were random choices. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Withnail posted:I just got a good deal on a gtx 1080. I currently have a 2600x running in a Asus Prime B450M-A motherboard. neither, i would say those are pretty perfectly matched. my system started as a 2600 & 1080 when I built it. If you can someday get a cheap drop in replacement maybe but not right now with crazy CPU prices.
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Dec 17, 2020 17:25
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It seems I also ordered RAM not on the QVL for my motherboard and chipset (5800x). Other G.Skill RAM is on this list but this particular one I chose on PcPartPicker is not. Does something not being on the QVL mean that it might perform worse, or does it just mean that the maker of the motherboard hasn't tested that specific model for compatibility?
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Dec 17, 2020 17:30
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Booyah- posted:It seems I also ordered RAM not on the QVL for my motherboard and chipset (5800x). Other G.Skill RAM is on this list but this particular one I chose on PcPartPicker is not. you might have trouble hitting rated XMP speeds automatically/without tweaking/at all
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Additionally, I've seen instances where the board simply refuses to boot at all.
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Okay thanks! I cancelled the first RAM and ordered some on the QVL. edit: Now I'm seeing that the new RAM that was on the Motherboard QVL for Vermeer has the description "Programmed with the latest Intel XMP 2.0 profiles" Is that okay even though I'm using the AMD 5800x? This is a lot more confusing than I thought WorldIndustries fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 17:52
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bus hustler posted:neither, i would say those are pretty perfectly matched. my system started as a 2600 & 1080 when I built it. If you can someday get a cheap drop in replacement maybe but not right now with crazy CPU prices. Ok thanks. I'll let it ride for now.
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Seems a bit alarmist to me. It'll most likely be just fine. My anecdote is that my non qvl worked just fine and turning on xmp worked easily and didn't require any further tuning.
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Booyah- posted:It seems I also ordered RAM not on the QVL for my motherboard and chipset (5800x). Other G.Skill RAM is on this list but this particular one I chose on PcPartPicker is not. The latter, unless you're getting into the extremes of performance. QVL ram might have better subtimings out of the box but I haven't seen any detailed looks into this. As for the branding "XMP" is technically an Intel trademark but it's basically gone generic.
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I just checked and my RAM is running in single channel mode. My motherboard (B450M Pro) has 4 RAM slots, A1, A2, B1, and B2. I put my two DIMMs into slots A1 and A2; should it be A1 and B1 instead?
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Dec 17, 2020 18:47
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Farecoal posted:I just checked and my RAM is running in single channel mode. My motherboard (B450M Pro) has 4 RAM slots, A1, A2, B1, and B2. I put my two DIMMs into slots A1 and A2; should it be A1 and B1 instead? Yes! The motherboard reads A as one channel, and B as another channel.
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UtahIsNotAState posted:I really have no idea what i'm doing Evidently: UtahIsNotAState posted:i'll gladly pay money to not deal with this mobo flashing nonsense AMD wants you to do Intel motherboards have BIOS flash options too. You're biting the hand that feeds you: AMD have used the same socket for a number of generations of CPU, allowing people to upgrade across 3 gens by simply updating the BIOS, saving them the cost and effort of buying a new motherboard and rebuilding their PC. Intel on the other hand change sockets far more frequently, necessitating a lot more expense and effort. On top of that the new Ryzen 5600x is universally regarded as the best value gaming chip right now bar none. So, are you really willing to pay more money to get an objectively inferior chip because you're angry that AMD has a user-friendly feature to help with upgrading that takes all of 5 minutes to use (which Intel also has!)? UtahIsNotAState posted:you need to do that stupid mobo flash thing to get the zen 3 CPUs working on currently available mobos? I absolutely refuse to do that. To really double down on the point and how illogical you're being, you're willing to go to the effort of building a whole new system from scratch but the additional 5 minutes it takes to flash the BIOS is an absolutely unconscionable use of your time? Full disclosure: I've just built a system with a b550 mobo and Ryzen 5600x, and it booted to BIOS even without flashing it.
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i admit some people report issues with certain flash drives but i didnt even have enough time to smoke a bowl during the bios flashback on my MSI the only thing i will say is that flashing the bios in an already assembled system that you are replacing the board in sucks. if the psu is already mounted it can be a pain, as you want to connect just power to the motherboard and no cpu. but it's still just a few screws to put it in and take it back out to put in the cpu/ram
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:You may end up needing to pull the battery, which is annoying but will ensure a cmos clear. Pulling the battery will solve it. I doubt it needs it, but might as well pull the ram while the battery is out too and reseat. So I did this today, basically having to rebuild my system, and it works! Thanks a lot for the advice and reassurance. I've certainly learned a valuable lesson to not gently caress around with settings I don't understand, but at the same time I'm also proud of myself for figuring out how to disassemble the motherboard to get at the battery, because there was zero literature online about it and it was fiddly as gently caress. And generally my confidence has increased a lot through assembling and disassembling this thing a couple of times, just now tempered with a healthy dose of respect for BIOS settings and RAM timings.
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Dec 17, 2020 19:08
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The Grumbles posted:Yes! The motherboard reads A as one channel, and B as another channel. That's confusing and wasn't mentioned in my motherboard's manual. Thanks!
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Farecoal posted:I just checked and my RAM is running in single channel mode. My motherboard (B450M Pro) has 4 RAM slots, A1, A2, B1, and B2. I put my two DIMMs into slots A1 and A2; should it be A1 and B1 instead? Often it's A2 and B2, check your motherboards manual.
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