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Rappaport posted:Isn't Colbert the most watched late show host (by some metric)? He's not Anderson Cooper, but he's probably a pretty safe avenue to appeal to younger people (relative to Biden's own age at least). And the Colbert interview with uncle Joe about grief probably did help cement his image quite a bit as a relatable, genuine figure to the casual viewer. Supposedly Colbert has been the most-watched late show for basically the whole Trump administration.
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Oracle posted:Uh, hi, as a parent of two remote learners doing everything possible to make this work because I will be good and goddamned my kids are going to school in person while there's a pandemic raging, you're an rear end in a top hat. Kids do not have either the self-control to keep themselves from screwing around online instead of paying attention to class or the self-motivation to get the MOUNDS of homework assigned every day that's supposed to be completed during 'independent learning' without nigh-constant supervision. And that's teenagers, not even grade schoolers, who are way worse. And as someone who's spent entire days in online conferences it is soul sucking to sit and listen to other people talk hour after hour with short breaks in between as a full grown adult, it SUCKS as a method of learning anything. College kids are struggling with online learning, and that has nothing to do with daycare. It is far from optimal for anyone as a main source of education. I say this only because it's not always obvious to me when I do it: this reads as incredibly hostile. Also a little bit like that TX bridesmaid who was all "but this is her wedding" to the wedding photographer who walked out because she had kids and they'd hidden that the groom had covid (the wedding photographer got covid). It also isn't backed by anything at all except your own statement / anecdote, and isn't in anyway my lived experience(which aligns more closely with the experts in the thread). As a parent of grade schoolers, my kids are definitely learning, and while there's an extra burden in terms of monitoring them and keeping them on-task if we want them to do well, I don't know that this is any higher than before. The distractions and them going off task and stuff are more visible to us, sure, but eh the alternative was ordering some number of teachers and kids to die. That's certainly something you could use a utilitarian calculus to justify, but where *doesn't* that apply? Take a long enough view and you can kill as many people as you want for the greater good. Anyway, that was my college online experience the last time I took a class(when I was employed by the university and this was like basically free), but that has more to do with nobody taking distance learning terribly seriously and just sitting an adjunct down in front of blackboard and saying go, teach, and cashing the checks. Even this wasn't without merit, it was just kinda insulting to take a discrete refresher and get a half-assed khan academy retread where the professor posted 1 obviously pre-canned discussion question a week - it felt like paying just for the course credit(and it was basically free). The async nature was loving aces though.
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I'm teaching macroeconomics to 2nd-year university students online this year, and I'm actually finding that things are going better than they usually do when I teach in person. It's a lot more work for me; recording lectures is more time-consuming than giving in-person lectures, I've had to design a much more serious course website, have weekly quizzes to provide incentives to keep up with the material, etc. But when I talk to my students live via Zoom (I run live Q&A sessions in addition to recorded lectures) I get the sense that they are learning really effectively. And for some reason they are a lot more willing to engage with me and each other virtually than in-person, so I'm getting more (and higher-quality) interaction than I normally do. As bad as this situation is for younger students (and their teachers, god I feel bad for people trying to teach little kids), I think higher ed is going to come away from this situation with some permanent improvements to how we do things.
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Oakland Martini posted:I'm teaching macroeconomics to 2nd-year university students online this year, and I'm actually finding that things are going better than they usually do when I teach in person. It's a lot more work for me; recording lectures is more time-consuming than giving in-person lectures, I've had to design a much more serious course website, have weekly quizzes to provide incentives to keep up with the material, etc. But when I talk to my students live via Zoom (I run live Q&A sessions in addition to recorded lectures) I get the sense that they are learning really effectively. And for some reason they are a lot more willing to engage with me and each other virtually than in-person, so I'm getting more (and higher-quality) interaction than I normally do. I've seen multiple teachers say stuff like this and it really makes me wonder how much of the change is inherent to remote learning and now much is that rebuilding your entire methodology from the ground up produces different strategies than when someone gradually accumulates a methodology starting in their student teacher days. If someone were to somehow identify the key elements of the methods of the best in-person teachers with those of the best remote teachers, would they match? If not, would combining them produce an edugestalt or a disaster? If so, are the best of each group the same people, or do the best in person teachers break what works, etc? One of the many personality traits that disqualifies me for positions of serious power is that I'd love to run huge, highly unethical social experiments to try to isolate some of the factors involved in big complex things like education, much more than I'd like to read through existing literature. 
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Oakland Martini posted:I'm teaching macroeconomics to 2nd-year university students online this year, and I'm actually finding that things are going better than they usually do when I teach in person. It's a lot more work for me; recording lectures is more time-consuming than giving in-person lectures, I've had to design a much more serious course website, have weekly quizzes to provide incentives to keep up with the material, etc. But when I talk to my students live via Zoom (I run live Q&A sessions in addition to recorded lectures) I get the sense that they are learning really effectively. And for some reason they are a lot more willing to engage with me and each other virtually than in-person, so I'm getting more (and higher-quality) interaction than I normally do. https://twitch.tv/profmelko this guy holds his office hours and does lectures on twitch so i jump in every once in awhile to learn about photons or w/e. been going over a year so it was pre-covid
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Buffer posted:I say this only because it's not always obvious to me when I do it: this reads as incredibly hostile. They were responding to someone being needlessly hostile, to be fair.
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Sarcastro posted:They were responding to someone being needlessly hostile, to be fair. Sure. If I came off as hostile myself I'm really sorry for that - I get where everyone is coming from here: for parents we have skin in the game with our kids. For teachers its their lives. poo poo is intensely personal to all sides and can correspondingly get heated.
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Sarcastro posted:They were responding to someone being needlessly hostile, to be fair. Lol. Yeah, I was being super hostile to people nobody on this forum will ever meet, which somehow justified an attack on my character that ended with ME eating a probe when I responded. Clearly the entire exchange was my fault. I'll make sure not to communicate any experiences or opinions which might even theoretically be taken as an insult-by-proxy by some poor suffering parent again, lesson loving learned. As if I dont have to coddle and disemble enough with the ones I have to deal with in real life.
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Buffer posted:I say this only because it's not always obvious to me when I do it: this reads as incredibly hostile. Also a little bit like that TX bridesmaid who was all "but this is her wedding" to the wedding photographer who walked out because she had kids and they'd hidden that the groom had covid (the wedding photographer got covid). I AM NOT INTERESTED IN SENDING MY KIDS IN PERSON WITH OTHER KIDS IN A CLASSROOM AND PUTTING TEACHERS AND STAFF AT RISK. AT ALL. UNTIL EVERYONE INVOLVED IS VACCINATED THAT POSSIBLY CAN BE. My kids have been remote learning since March. We have never left stage 3 personally. They will not go back into a classroom until local cases are at 0 for 14 days or everyone in school who can be has been vaccinated. Now that we've cleared that up: It doesn't change the fact that by and large, online learning has SUUUUUCKED. My kids have to take online gym class. Its a required class to graduate. Its incredibly stupid to try and do online gym class, especially when cameras are not required to be on (which, again, not Karening here, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY, so again, don't jump down my throat) but for God's sake, how about we push that requirement off a year and let them do it at a time when its feasible to do it in person? Because logging that you did X amount of minutes of exercise a week is an exercise alright -- an exercise in lying for the kids who aren't active. I work from home. I am working while at home. I do not have the time or the desire to stand over my kid with a whistle and a clipboard to make sure they're doing ten jumping jacks. That's just one example. quote:It also isn't backed by anything at all except your own statement / anecdote, and isn't in anyway my lived experience(which aligns more closely with the experts in the thread). As a parent of grade schoolers, my kids are definitely learning, and while there's an extra burden in terms of monitoring them and keeping them on-task if we want them to do well, I don't know that this is any higher than before. quote:After the U.S. education system fractured into Zoom screens last spring, experts feared millions of children would fall behind. Hard evidence now shows they were right. quote:The distractions and them going off task and stuff are more visible to us, sure, but eh the alternative was ordering some number of teachers and kids to die. That's certainly something you could use a utilitarian calculus to justify, but where *doesn't* that apply? Take a long enough view and you can kill as many people as you want for the greater good. You can dislike the poo poo out of something and still understand that its necessary, but pooh poohing concerns with online learning because 'parents just hate being around their kids' or 'parents are just lazy and want babysitters' in one breath then going 'classroom management is a skill' and 'teachers aren't babysitters and are skilled professionals and should be treated like one' in the other is kind of contradictory, no? Teaching is loving HARD. Controlling a bunch of easily distracted kids attention is HARD, and even harder when you cannot take screens away as screens are what they are learning on. Making sure kids are not only doing work but doing it correctly, figuring out where they went wrong and then making sure they actually understand is HARD. This is why we need teachers in the first place. A lot of that has been put on parents who are in a lot of cases also trying to hold down full time jobs during a pandemic if they're lucky enough to still be employed. If you're extra lucky you're able to work from home while you do it. Add to that the fact that, as many others have pointed out, online learning was an afterthought at best for the majority of school districts, it ALSO takes skill that not a lot of teachers have for some reason (and makes the ones that are tech savvy really stand out) and things are really not great this year in the vast majority of classes. quote:Anyway, that was my college online experience the last time I took a class(when I was employed by the university and this was like basically free), but that has more to do with nobody taking distance learning terribly seriously and just sitting an adjunct down in front of blackboard and saying go, teach, and cashing the checks. Even this wasn't without merit, it was just kinda insulting to take a discrete refresher and get a half-assed khan academy retread where the professor posted 1 obviously pre-canned discussion question a week - it felt like paying just for the course credit(and it was basically free). The async nature was loving aces though. Sanguinia posted:Lol. Yeah, I was being super hostile to people nobody on this forum will ever meet, which somehow justified an attack on my character that ended with ME eating a probe when I responded. Clearly the entire exchange was my fault. I'll make sure not to communicate any experiences or opinions which might even theoretically be taken as an insult-by-proxy by some poor suffering parent again, lesson loving learned. As if I dont have to coddle and disemble enough with the ones I have to deal with in real life. Oracle fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Sanguinia posted:Lol. Yeah, I was being super hostile to people nobody on this forum will ever meet, which somehow justified an attack on my character that ended with ME eating a probe when I responded. Clearly the entire exchange was my fault. I'll make sure not to communicate any experiences or opinions which might even theoretically be taken as an insult-by-proxy by some poor suffering parent again, lesson loving learned. As if I dont have to coddle and disemble enough with the ones I have to deal with in real life. I took a while off posting after getting a deserved probe for saying something p. hosed up because I was at like a 9/10 all the time from life/every community I'm in fraying and reacted my way into it, so, I feel you, I do, and you can produce some great posts and I hope you stay, but the conversation wasn't going to go anywhere good from the post you got probed for. Equating Oracle with "All Lives Matter" and the corresponding "you're basically equivalent to a racist" that means was hosed up beyond that when they didn't even really disagree with you on much but tone. Hell I reread my post and I feel I line stepped up to that maybe a little too much with the whole utilitarian part - given you know, Oracle explicitly agreed with that. Oracle posted:I'm seeing this from several people and apparently the part where I emphasize that I am NOT INTERESTED IN IN PERSON LEARNING AND TOTALLY SUPPORT NOT FORCING TEACHERS BACK INTO THE CLASSROOM is getting missed in the urge to pile on to my saying remote learning sucks, so I'll put it in all caps, again, for those in the back: Yea, I'm sorry for that. I realized I had implied that after reading sanguina's thing, had a whole thing typed up that *at worst* we were all in violent agreement about 80-90% of this(pieces of this left above) and then didn't post it. Should've re-read more.  Oracle posted:It doesn't change the fact that by and large, online learning has SUUUUUCKED. My kids have to take online gym class. Its a required class to graduate. Its incredibly stupid to try and do online gym class, especially when cameras are not required to be on (which, again, not Karening here, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY, so again, don't jump down my throat) but for God's sake, how about we push that requirement off a year and let them do it at a time when its feasible to do it in person? Because logging that you did X amount of minutes of exercise a week is an exercise alright -- an exercise in lying for the kids who aren't active. I work from home. I am working while at home. I do not have the time or the desire to stand over my kid with a whistle and a clipboard to make sure they're doing ten jumping jacks. That's just one example. See there's just this huge regional variance here. Like where I am, they went remote in spring, it was in no way actually prepared for and was a shitshow - just all kinds of rank stupid like you describe here. The teachers union said remote only in the summer and they actually prepared for it and then fall was a little rocky, but now it really does feel like school. They do gym cameras on, on a yoga mat. It's not ideal for everything but it mostly works. My siblings, OTOH scattered across this demon cracker nation, see it as a shitshow every time they go remote. They've only seen the spring version. What you describe is this. Oracle posted:Then you are in a distinct minority, because Here, have some data to go with my 'anecdote.' That's not data or even really an actual source in support of remote learning itself as inherently flawed or like even worse, really. I don't doubt that outcomes overall are down - poo poo is hosed and a lot of our already existing educational problems like available parent attention, digital divide, etc. are exacerbated by all kinds of things in the pandemic. Not to mention the social / development aspect from kids not seeing other kids. Like I'm not saying this is good - I'm saying you and others seem to be making a wider claim that remote learning has to suck that just flat out isn't backed up by anything but the fact that we currently suck at it in a lot of places. Like I don't disagree that it sucks in a lot of places, so this might just be more violent agreement and talking past each other. Oracle posted:One more time: just because I dislike online learning, doesn't mean I am advocating for 'ordering some number of teachers and kids to die.' Outdoor learning was one alternative, came with its own risks and headaches (and before you bitch about weather yeah, I live in a place that actually has weather. Kids won't melt. Coats and canopies are cheaper than ipads and chromebooks). Our government not being run by a bunch of idiots was another but hey water under the bridge. I'm going to apologize to you again for this, because it obviously upset you and you didn't deserve that.
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Buffer posted:Yea, I'm sorry for that. I realized I had implied that after reading sanguina's thing, had a whole thing typed up that *at worst* we were all in violent agreement about 80-90% of this(pieces of this left above) and then didn't post it. Should've re-read more. quote:See there's just this huge regional variance here. Like where I am, they went remote in spring, it was in no way actually prepared for and was a shitshow - just all kinds of rank stupid like you describe here. The teachers union said remote only in the summer and they actually prepared for it and then fall was a little rocky, but now it really does feel like school. They do gym cameras on, on a yoga mat. It's not ideal for everything but it mostly works. quote:That's not data or even really an actual source in support of remote learning itself as inherently flawed or like even worse, really. I don't doubt that outcomes overall are down - poo poo is hosed and a lot of our already existing educational problems like available parent attention, digital divide, etc. are exacerbated by all kinds of things in the pandemic. quote:I'm going to apologize to you again for this, because it obviously upset you and you didn't deserve that.
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I hope Bootleg Trunks doesn't mind me sharing this post from the dedicated Georgia runoff thread. I thought it was worth posting here too since it's a poll. quote:Those prioritizing the economy are breaking for the Republican incumbents, while the Democratic challengers are leading with voters who see the coronavirus, health care and social justice as more important.
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And that article is already obsolete! Biden has no also picked Haaland for Interior. Woohoo! If confirmed, she will be the first Native American cabinet member. Unless you include the vice president, because technically there was a Native American vice president.
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Gabriel S. posted:Social media has ruined our faith in fellow man. The media glosses over nuance for clickbait. We believe we have all the answers to the worlds problems because we watched a few YouTube Videos instead of having an actual dialogue we instead scream at each other. That's true. One issue that both texting and social media share is the human inability to recognize instinctively that they're communicating with another human. Empathy occurs way more naturally in person or during phone conversations.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I hope Bootleg Trunks doesn't mind me sharing this post from the dedicated Georgia runoff thread. I thought it was worth posting here too since it's a poll. It continues to astound me that anyone still thinks Republicans are good for the economy (other than very rich people, whose economy Republicans are definitely very good for).
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It's actually because a lot of people believe that the world is a zero sum game, so if the poor are suffering, it immediately frees up happiness for other people. Like if you take a poor person and you wring the life out of their body, more life is suddenly floating around. It's not correct. It's so not correct that flies in the face of why humanity was a successful species, which is it's very strong social capabilities.
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Sarcastro posted:It continues to astound me that anyone still thinks Republicans are good for the economy (other than very rich people, whose economy Republicans are definitely very good for). There's a significant number of people for whom "better for the economy" translates directly to lower/fewer taxes and nothing else.
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whydirt posted:There's a significant number of people for whom "better for the economy" translates directly to lower/fewer taxes and nothing else. That, and it would make sense if the reason Republicans win voters who name the economy as the most important issue is that Democratic voters don't name the economy as the most important issue. It doesn't necessarily tell you that voters overall think Republicans are better at handling the economy by a wide margin.
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Sarcastro posted:It continues to astound me that anyone still thinks Republicans are good for the economy (other than very rich people, whose economy Republicans are definitely very good for). I’ve mentioned it before, but I know plenty of people, well-off, but not absurdly wealthy, for whom the stock market is LITERALLY THE ONLY political issue they care about, or can perceive anyone caring about.
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I am convinced that it goes no deeper than "rich = good at economy" and that explains Trump's high marks on the economy despite the fact that his policies, like tariffs, were demonstrably bad for growth. Also, Republicans are "supposed" to be good for the economy so when people get asked that question in surveys instead of looking dumb and saying, iunno why I support the GOP, they say "They are good at the economy, and businesses."
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Well there's also the $1200 checks. It's kinda funny how at the time everyone was very mad at Pelosi for not doing a deal based on a cynical calculation that doing one would help Trump but it seems pretty clear now if they had passed a deal in like September, Trump would have won.
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Badger of Basra posted:Well there's also the $1200 checks. It's kinda funny how at the time everyone was very mad at Pelosi for not doing a deal based on a cynical calculation that doing one would help Trump but it seems pretty clear now if they had passed a deal in like September, Trump would have won. Yeah, to be honest, the best thing for the Democratic electoral odds would have been to never come to the table at all and let America get as turbofucked as Trump would have let it get.
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Pick posted:Yeah, to be honest, the best thing for the Democratic electoral odds would have been to never come to the table at all and let America get as turbofucked as Trump would have let it get. Ahh, the Republican way. It was very odd that McConnell was clearly in favor of Trump losing. Otherwise he would have made a new deal happen, any new deal, just to get checks into people's hands in October.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Ahh, the Republican way. It was very odd that McConnell was clearly in favor of Trump losing. Otherwise he would have made a new deal happen, any new deal, just to get checks into people's hands in October. I think he thought it was too far gone. Those lovely polls saved our asses.
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Badger of Basra posted:Well there's also the $1200 checks. It's kinda funny how at the time everyone was very mad at Pelosi for not doing a deal based on a cynical calculation that doing one would help Trump but it seems pretty clear now if they had passed a deal in like September, Trump would have won. It's still unclear to me that there was a deal to be made. Trump had to use the bully pulpit to call out the senators in the republican caucus that were opposed to all but the most favorable deals to give McConnell cover. Otherwise in 2022 McConnell would have had to deal with a bunch of primary challengers to his senators from the right, running on "look at these RINOs spending money on the underserving minorities and layabouts and bailing out corporations."
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During the negotiations, I remember hearing that as many as 20 GOP Senators were, on principle, opposed to any further aid, period. I think if McConnell had the votes he would've passed it. But remember Republican ideology for the last 40 years has been to drown government in the bathtub and an aid package that's actually as large and robust as necessary could be the end of Reaganomics, and there are plenty of GOP senators who honestly believe that it's better for people to suffer and die than expand the welfare state.
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zoux posted:During the negotiations, I remember hearing that as many as 20 GOP Senators were, on principle, opposed to any further aid, period. I think if McConnell had the votes he would've passed it. But remember Republican ideology for the last 40 years has been to drown government in the bathtub and an aid package that's actually as large and robust as necessary could be the end of Reaganomics, and there are plenty of GOP senators who honestly believe that it's better for people to suffer and die than expand the welfare state. I don't think for them it's an either/or. Feature, not a bug.
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https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1339978522333425665 Wow the deficit is back folks, and Trump's not even gone yet. Yesterday, there was reporting that Trump's aides had to basically beg him not to go public with a demand for 2k stimulus checks, which would've blown the negotiations to smithereens. Also, I trust we don't need to state the obvious about the trillions in tax cuts the Senator from Wisconsin voted in favor of. The conflation of sovereign and household debt in the minds of the average American voter is the greatest coup the right ever pulled.
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letthereberock posted:I’ve mentioned it before, but I know plenty of people, well-off, but not absurdly wealthy, for whom the stock market is LITERALLY THE ONLY political issue they care about, or can perceive anyone caring about. Don't get me wrong; I know people like that too, or at least I did back when I still talked to them. That kind of disconnect is why I increasingly think that a fundamental difference between conservatives and actual people is the capacity for empathy, or at least non-sociopathy.
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rich people voting GOP is even then a short-sighted move because the things that are a danger to you beyond a certain net worth are nearly beyond your control. investing in a society where you don't get randomly stabbed by a hungry poor dude is a better one for rich people too. but that's too hard, so they spend even more money on gated communities and private security and pass drug laws and minimum sentencing and it all ends up way worse than had they not had money in the first place warren buffett being afraid of torches and pitchforks make him a better person. more people should be scared!
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