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god drat some of yall are stupid, no one is saying that we should take trucks away from farmers.
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Dec 17, 2020 23:53
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Rural has vehicles still. If they need to do something in town they drive to the train station and take it in. If we just superimpose small changes on the current paradigm and look for ways it can't possibly work we would never realize change is possible.
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Dec 17, 2020 23:54
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PookBear posted:god drat some of yall are stupid, no one is saying that we should take trucks away from farmers.
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Dec 17, 2020 23:54
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Flying_Crab posted:That’s a minority of the US population, nobody is saying they can’t drive in rural areas. Stop making up ridiculous arguments here. Rural areas existed before sprawl and people drove or used horses, took trains (and yes basically any significant town was served by interurban rail lines in the Midwest and East Coast pre-car). It's because you (and some others) are acting like a smug rear end in a top hat about people's "car dependency" and then handwaving away people who are actually dependent on their car (hint: I am speaking from experience).
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Dec 17, 2020 23:54
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Why are we taking about this. Have this dumb poo poo instead. https://twitter.com/jaapstronks/status/1336633995212304390?s=19
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Dec 17, 2020 23:56
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PookBear posted:god drat some of yall are stupid, no one is saying that we should take trucks away from farmers. I’m cracking myself up imagining a farmer in coveralls longboarding through a field with a bushel of apples strapped to his back with the caption of “this is the future liberals want”
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Dec 17, 2020 23:57
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lightpole posted:Rural has vehicles still. If they need to do something in town they drive to the train station and take it in. If we just superimpose small changes on the current paradigm and look for ways it can't possibly work we would never realize change is possible. this is literally what I do when I go to Chicago
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Dec 18, 2020 00:01
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FYI when we're talking about cities, we're not talking about loving Fayetteville
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Dec 18, 2020 00:02
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Small rural areas would also see benefit to increasing pop density. Preventing spread in fire/flood zones, maintaining wilderness or ag. Would also see gains in service and infrastructure efficiency.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:07
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's because you (and some others) are acting like a smug rear end in a top hat about people's "car dependency" and then handwaving away people who are actually dependent on their car (hint: I am speaking from experience). Either you’re not arguing in good faith or you simply don’t know what we mean by “car dependency”. If you don’t live in a truly rural area (i.e. the people and places you mentioned) driving should be an option for your daily life, that’s all we’re saying.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:08
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Doc Hawkins posted:it's a very hard fight in the US. suburbs are just the modern industrial form of the settler-colonial pattern. we gotta give a bunch of people land or the promise thereof, and the right to kill people on their land, initially so that they'll toil, kill, and die to seed the continent with productive infrastructure, and always so that they buy into the broader societal scam. it can't last forever - eventually we'll go the way of Rome and Rhodesia - but i think it could definitely last another generation. I don't know where you got this from, but it's pretty hilarious, as a historian. It's also bullshit.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:09
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Flying_Crab posted:Videos of Ansterdam Nice dodge, you didn't answer my question which leads me to believe I'm right. I mean, we could go back to living the way my grandmother grew up in the rural midwest. In the winter time, they just didn't go to town, had maybe 3 sets of clothes, and outdoor plumbing.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:10
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lightpole posted:Small rural areas would also see benefit to increasing pop density. Preventing spread in fire/flood zones, maintaining wilderness or ag. Would also see gains in service and infrastructure efficiency. This was the norm before WWII:  For those non-city/train nerds an Interurban was basically a slightly larger electric streetcar that went from large city downtowns to small towns in the region surrounding it, they were commonplace all over the US. Go to Europe and they still have train service like that, it works.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:13
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Why are we taking about this. one of the reasons the IOT is bad and dumb
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Dec 18, 2020 00:14
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I didn't want to take away every dipshits car at gun point but you dumb fucks are starting to talk me into it
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Dec 18, 2020 00:15
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suburban sprawl sucks rear end and it would be great to get to a point where the majority of people in the united states do not require a car for most things. nobody is trying to take your cars away, they just want to not loving rely on one. cars are goddamn expensive to maintain, especially old ones, and without one in most major places you're poo poo out of luck. we're just trying to say we should improve society somewhat, stop being a fuckin clown and thinking we're going to take all your drat cars away
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Dec 18, 2020 00:15
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's because you (and some others) are acting like a smug rear end in a top hat about people's "car dependency" and then handwaving away people who are actually dependent on their car (hint: I am speaking from experience).
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Dec 18, 2020 00:16
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PeterCat posted:I mean, we could go back to living the way my grandmother grew up in the rural midwest. In the winter time, they just didn't go to town, had maybe 3 sets of clothes, and outdoor plumbing. drat, it’d be terrible if the two options were what we see now in the US and also this option. That’d be just a terrible and stupid dichotomy if it existed.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:17
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1339709639584337920
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Dec 18, 2020 00:29
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Flying_Crab posted:Either you’re not arguing in good faith or you simply don’t know what we mean by “car dependency”. If you don’t live in a truly rural area (i.e. the people and places you mentioned) driving should be an option for your daily life, that’s all we’re saying. Look, I'm sorry, I just got set off when I tried to talk about my experience living in a rural area and you made that post about cities and sprawl. Like I said before, I'm all for public transportation and reducing dependency on cars, because it is important from an economic and environmental standpoint. And hell, if you want to talk about frustration over a lack of public transportation options, I grew up in the Detroit area, and I wish we had anything even half as good as what other cities like DC have. But when people talk about getting rid of cars, even jokingly, it can be frustrating when I've personally seen what having a car and not having a car looks like in these rural areas.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:31
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Hey season finale of The Mandalorian drops tomorrow along with the rest of the soundtrack for season 2...so something good.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:33
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https://twitter.com/ashiinu/status/1339398787278598145?s=20
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Dec 18, 2020 00:50
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Your good (great) favorite President is a baby back bitch
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Dec 18, 2020 00:50
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's because you (and some others) are acting like a smug rear end in a top hat about people's "car dependency" and then handwaving away people who are actually dependent on their car (hint: I am speaking from experience). Someone who's uncomfortable with living around minorities and buys a house in a heavily subsidized suburb with no transport options is only "car dependent" because of choices they have made, and if they are priced out of driving their lifted pickup 30 miles each way to work because of policy changes ... too bad? Literally no one is talking about taking cars/trucks away from rural farmers, and it's also relatively insignificant compared to suburban commuter traffic. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Dec 18, 2020 00:50
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Someone who's uncomfortable with living around minorities and buys a house in a heavily subsidized suburb with no transport options is only "car dependent" because of choices they have made, and if they are priced out of driving their lifted pickup 30 miles each way to work because of policy changes ... too bad? Literally no one is talking about taking cars/trucks away from rural farmers, and it's also relatively insignificant compared to suburban commuter traffic. Precisely what I was getting at right here.
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Dec 18, 2020 00:56
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me, getting ready to confiscate acebuckeye's car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBz1Q8iC_Ho
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Dec 18, 2020 00:58
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PookBear posted:me, getting ready to confiscate acebuckeye's car it's a beat-up 2006 Ford 500 with torn seats, a hole in the rear bumper, a power-steering fluid leak, and nearly 200,000 miles on the odometer so to a degree you'd actually be doing me a favor
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Dec 18, 2020 01:01
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1339729112571797509?s=21
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Dec 18, 2020 01:29
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https://twitter.com/CP24/status/1339687934945939457 Ontario is posting record numbers of infected. Just lunacy
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Dec 18, 2020 01:41
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Hot Karl Marx posted:https://twitter.com/CP24/status/1339687934945939457 But what the gently caress about Hanukah Harry?
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Dec 18, 2020 01:44
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Hey season finale of The Mandalorian drops tomorrow along with the rest of the soundtrack for season 2...so something good. Yeah that’s all well and good but I’m going to be pissed if Mando doesn’t take off his helmet and speak directly into the camera about the need for sustainable transport infrastructure in Coruscant.
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Dec 18, 2020 01:44
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Here's a transportation subject we can all agree on: https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1339722248404443136?s=20
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Dec 18, 2020 01:46
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Flying_Crab posted:Either you’re not arguing in good faith or you simply don’t know what we mean by “car dependency”. If you don’t live in a truly rural area (i.e. the people and places you mentioned) driving should be an option for your daily life, that’s all we’re saying. get used to four years of this type of arguing about literally every subject because its now impossible to change anything
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Dec 18, 2020 01:49
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Yeah that’s all well and good but I’m going to be pissed if Mando doesn’t take off his helmet and speak directly into the camera about the need for sustainable transport infrastructure in Coruscant. 
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Dec 18, 2020 01:52
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1339730530661789696 cool cool cool
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Dec 18, 2020 02:04
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Mr. President I'm glad we can agree, we aren't putting up with you trying to steal the election. Now gently caress off.
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Dec 18, 2020 02:10
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Proud Christian Mom posted:get used to four years of this type of arguing about literally every subject because its now impossible to change anything Even if it just makes life better for one person, it's still better than endlessly reciting "lol, nothing matters" 
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Dec 18, 2020 02:13
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https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1339742267981099011?s=20 If Trump had done anything to get a direct payment passed and a check in people's hands during the summer he would've won
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Dec 18, 2020 02:39
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Nick Soapdish posted:If Trump had done anything to get a direct payment passed and a check in people's hands during the summer he would've won You're right! That said, he didn't do nothing, he just yelled enough about it and sent the scummy letters to people for people to link what they got to him. He never put in the *actual* work to get Senate Republicans to move. Democrats aren't being outflanked to the left - Republicans are imposing an arbitrary ceiling on the bill or they're not voting for it. Most Republicans are perfectly happy with doing nothing right now. The only reason anything is happening because Ossoff/Warnock are absolutely blitzing Perdue/Loffler on it and it's freaking out Senate Republicans. Donnie's just being Donnie because he's not even involved and has no idea what Senate Republicans want.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1339742267981099011?s=20 I'll gladly spend it buying wood, tools and weed.
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