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Now they say he was under the influence of meth. https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...5nu5UM44smKQcw4 TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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TobinHatesYou posted:Now they say he was under the influence of meth. For some reason I assumed you were talking about the Crust bikes post and was thinking “If he was on meth you’d think he’d make more bikes not less.”
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EvilJoven posted:Things are so very hosed right now for the big players. They're being told that some key OEM components are 600 days out. This is why some bikes we've ordered just aren't coming. I'm not sure what it says about the local market for bikes, but LBSes around Boston have been stocked for bikes for a while. Showroom floors that I can see are pretty full. I'm guessing there was far less of a pandemic response, that a lot more people who'd be willing to bike were already doing so.
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TobinHatesYou posted:Now they say he was under the influence of meth. It's exceedingly cool that we need evidence of impairment before we consider charging a person who murders cyclists / pedestrians with an automobile. I figured the dead people would be all the evidence needed of wrong-doing, but I'm no lawyer
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i was going to do the festive 500 but then i found out that you don't even get a badge this year but seriously this winter has been pretty mild and if the forecast isnt totally soaked i might actually try for it, its been years numberoneposter fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:It's exceedingly cool that we need evidence of impairment before we consider charging a person who murders cyclists / pedestrians with an automobile. That is overly-simplistic and not always the right answer. There's stuff like previously unknown health conditions resulting in incapacitation. There's also stuff like commercial vehicle maintenance issues leading to brake failure or whatever and that could be the responsibility of the employer, not the driver. Every case requires thorough investigation.
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TobinHatesYou posted:That is overly-simplistic and not always the right answer.
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mystes posted:The vehicle could have been magically transported in front of the cyclist at the last second by a wizard, too. We shouldn't jump to any hasty conclusions. So you're saying neither of the scenarios I described are plausible? Either way, 5 counts of murder, a conviction and a lifetime behind bars for the driver isn't going to bring those people back. It isn't going to do the driver much good and it isn't going to deter people from DWI/DUI. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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I gotta say this has been basically a perfect week for some chilled out riding. 
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TobinHatesYou posted:So you're saying neither of the scenarios I described are plausible? I really DGAF what happens to the driver TBH, as long as they don't get to drive again.
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TobinHatesYou posted:So you're saying neither of the scenarios I described are plausible?
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TobinHatesYou posted:So you're saying neither of the scenarios I described are plausible? Killing pedestrians and cyclists is one of the most reliable ways to kill someone in the US and not get charged with anything so I think it'll work out.
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One can reasonably assume that most of the time a cyclist is killed or seriously injured by a motor vehicle it's the fault of the driver, but Tobin is right that you can't go and bring serious charges against them without looking into the basics and cancelling out (or confirming) other causes first.
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We could compromise and start enforcing the clearly distracted/drunk/high, and if over time loads of cyclists/pedestrians are still getting run down start investigations to the outliers. Also we should be holding people to the laws of keeping vehicles road worthy. It's idiotic how many people get murdered by cars and trucks in the US.
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In an ideal world Tobin is 100% right of course.
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Put him on a chain gang building kickass cycling infrastructure. Edit: The fucker who slaughtered five fine people, not Tobin. Tobin can join the chain gang if he wants. marshalljim fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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evil_bunnY posted:In an ideal world Tobin is 100% right of course. This isn't about ideals. There's nothing (that I can think of) to gain by rushing to charge the driver a few days earlier without allowing for reports from forensics, toxicology, the coroner, etc. At best, some people save some time. At worst, the wrong charges are filed and the case against the guy is actually weaker for it.
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TobinHatesYou posted:This isn't about ideals. There's nothing (that I can think of) to gain by rushing to charge the driver a few days earlier without allowing for reports from forensics, toxicology, the coroner, etc. At best, some people save some time. At worst, the wrong charges are filed and the case against the guy is actually weaker for it. The problem isn't necessarily when you charge him and with what, it's how first responders react. quote:While at the scene, Barson told troopers he believed he had fallen asleep behind the wheel. Although he was unsteady on his feet during field sobriety tests, troopers smelled no alcohol on his breath and did not believe he was impaired, body camera footage showed. Police give drivers the benefit of the doubt all the time when bikes are involved. The guy had "an extremely high level of methamphetamine" in his system and the cops on the scene assumed he wasn't impaired because that's their bias. You see it again and again, for example stories like this https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/12/10/anatomy-of-a-crash-cyclist-badly-injured-by-driver-yet-cops-do-nothing/ Law enforcement generally have a pretty clear pro-driver bias, all the way from the first response through sentencing when someone does commit a crime. That absolutely needs to change.
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TobinHatesYou posted:This isn't about ideals. There's nothing (that I can think of) to gain by rushing to charge the driver a few days earlier without allowing for reports from forensics, toxicology, the coroner, etc. At best, some people save some time. At worst, the wrong charges are filed and the case against the guy is actually weaker for it. gohuskies posted:The problem isn't necessarily when you charge him and with what, it's how first responders react. pigs are the worst, what a surprise.
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gohuskies posted:The problem isn't necessarily when you charge him and with what, it's how first responders react. I initially assumed he wasn't impaired because he seemed quite lucid. The walk-and-turn test was highly questionable however. But more importantly, how did this hinder the operation/crime scene investigation at all? The right charges were filed...after the toxicology report came back. I agree that systemic biases need to be accounted for, and this is precisely why this poo poo shouldn't be rushed. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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I’ve handled or seen a handful of claims over the years where a driver has had a serious and sudden medical emergency that has directly resulted in a crash. In one case, a driver had a seizure for the first time in their life and caused a large accident. One thing to be aware of is that in these cases, a first time medical issue often can result in the driver having no liability to the other parties in the accident. Always important to keep up your Medical Payments or Personal Injury Protection coverages from your auto policy as these will apply to you on a bike (or a pedestrian). I’m not sure why there is much of a disagreement with Tobin’s point that you don’t want to rush to charge someone without having all the facts. This has a lot of potential to hurt a future case. Literally Lewis Hamilton fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Negligent vehicular homicide being an accepted and forgivable by default part of life isn't going to go away until car culture goes away and that isn't going to happen until climate change and global economic downturn make the majority of the first world give up their cars and take public or active transit. So maybe when we're all old af and riding recumbents and being geriatric badasses like VGV.
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TobinHatesYou posted:So you're saying neither of the scenarios I described are plausible? I know what you're trying to say but maybe this isn't a good case do your "well actually" routine without more nuance in your arguments perhaps? my own post not very nuanced in what I'm trying to say either, bleh e: gohuskies posted:The problem isn't necessarily when you charge him and with what, it's how first responders react. TobinHatesYou posted:I initially assumed he wasn't impaired because he seemed quite lucid. The walk-and-turn test was highly questionable however. I think it can cause bias's in the investigation or will to investigate in some circumstances...my FIL was hit and killed and the police on the scene told everyone and wrote it up as "improper lane change" by the cyclists...but that creates a situation where now you have to prove that wrong, rather than investigate to find out what happened. They end up starting from a place of bias. And for what it's worth pics of the scene show that all the bikes were fully in the left turn lane before an intersection as they were turning left, the car was smashed on it's left side/corner/windshield, and bikes and bodies tossed into the median. Seems quite unlikely they suddenly changed lanes into the path of a car that didn't have time to stop when you see the aftermath. didn't matter in the end though...90 year old woman who's daughter had been trying to get her to stop driving, didn't even brake, doesn't matter if you charge her with anything or do anything to her because gently caress she's 90 and has no assets and even if you took her house or something then you're turning out a 90 year old to the streets? bleh Levitate fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Levitate posted:I know what you're trying to say but maybe this isn't a good case do your "well actually" routine without more nuance in your arguments perhaps? Did you read my first reply and the post which prompted it?
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Seems Diamond Back and Raleigh are discontinuing their corporate discounts. So if you’re in the market for one, grab them now.
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TobinHatesYou posted:So you're saying neither of the scenarios I described are plausible? Plausible but statistically I’d say insignificant. Road rage, inebriation, stumbling for cassette tapes ... etc.
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evil_bunnY posted:It's gonna keep one murderous driver off the road Have you EVER heard of a lifetime suspension of driving license? Me neither.
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Started my rebuild on this yesterday.  Found an almost flawless pair of Ultegra 6800 shifters for $75 so that decided the path of my build. I grabbed a matching long cage rear derailleur, 105 hydraulic brakes, Dura-Ace cabling, all the poo poo to convert to hydraulic, Cadence bar tape and some SKS fenders I’m probably gonna return and get PDWs. Wanted a pair of Ultegra or GRX brakes, but there were none in Portland, I could only find rears. Same for the front derailleur. There was one shop in town that had a GRX front that would work, but they’re closed on Sunday’s apparently. So I’m gonna stick with the 105 that’s on there for now. Chose the wrong weekend to do this since there’s not enough space in my garage to set up my stand. I had enough time to strip everything in the driveway yesterday before the big rains hit, and then had to relocate to my office and go with the old “seat and bars” work stand. Hope it dries up enough later so when I finally have it all together I can get the brakes bled etc. Edit: Anything I need to watch out for setting up these brakes? I’ve never done anything with hydraulic brakes on a bike, so any advice would be appreciated. highme fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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VideoGameVet posted:Have you EVER heard of a lifetime suspension of driving license? I've heard of it in those umpteen DUI cases where there's just clearly no effort to change behavior. Then a few weeks later they get another DUI driving without a license while out on bail before the trial for their last one, etc. etc.
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VideoGameVet posted:Have you EVER heard of a lifetime suspension of driving license? In euroland yes, if not lifetime at least multiyear. And driving without a license is a much bigger deal (comparatively).
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evil_bunnY posted:Not in the US no. Just read in the news that the Norwegian ex-skier Petter Northug just had his license suspended for life. He was caught speeding four times recently once doing 204 kph in a 80 kph zone. He has a prior conviction from 2014 when he crashed while drunk, ran from the crash and left his injured friend on the front seat. Also probably didn't help they now found cocaine in his house. I'm not in Norway so can't say how common this is over there.
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TobinHatesYou posted:I initially assumed he wasn't impaired because he seemed quite lucid. It shouldn't matter whether they're impaired or not. Commercial vehicle maintenance failures or medical emergencies aside, killing people with your vehicle is a clear indicator that you aren't responsible enough to hold a license and it should be suspended pending training or revoked for a lifetime. People take driving entirely too lightly in this country, and unless people are punished for not taking their responsibilities seriously, they won't take their responsibilities seriously.
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highme posted:Started my rebuild on this yesterday. Do those 6800 levers work with hydro brakes?
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I didn't have strong feelings on e-bikes until I was 10 miles into a 17 mile climb, and two of them passed me at about 30 mph.
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vikingstrike posted:Do those 6800 levers work with hydro brakes? I got the number wrong, they are ST-RS685 and yep.
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Havana Affair posted:Just read in the news that the Norwegian ex-skier Petter Northug just had his license suspended for life. He was caught speeding four times recently once doing 204 kph in a 80 kph zone. He has a prior conviction from 2014 when he crashed while drunk, ran from the crash and left his injured friend on the front seat. Also probably didn't help they now found cocaine in his house. I'm not in Norway so can't say how common this is over there. Come on, its not like we all haven’t done 204 kph (126 mph) after doing a couple of rails (cocaine).
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FogHelmut posted:I didn't have strong feelings on e-bikes until I was 10 miles into a 17 mile climb, and two of them passed me at about 30 mph. Pickup trucks also fair pretty well going up hill. You can get a decent one for the price of the average e-bike.
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FogHelmut posted:I didn't have strong feelings on e-bikes until I was 10 miles into a 17 mile climb, and two of them passed me at about 30 mph. I didn't care about e-bikes until I was 50 metres up the 70 metre climb to work and one passed me at about 25 km/h. I'm a wuss, is what I'm saying. A 17 mile climb is something I'll watch other people do on TV. James Woods posted:Pickup trucks also fair pretty well going up hill. You can get a decent one for the price of the average e-bike.
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ExecuDork posted:I didn't care about e-bikes until I was 50 metres up the 70 metre climb to work and one passed me at about 25 km/h. "Exploding Dinosaurs" will be the name of my Dad-bod garage band... I've been banging around on my new road toy for the last two weeks, and decided to give the local criterium race a go. Just about everyone disappeared ahead of me from the start. Boy, the people around here are fast.
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ExecuDork posted:I didn't care about e-bikes until I was 50 metres up the 70 metre climb to work and one passed me at about 25 km/h. I'm fine with this as long as the person on the e-bike feels ashamed.
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