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T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

...what? is this story actually just “pictograms can communicate information” or am I being dumb?

1. most newspapers tried to keep their writing to a sixth grade level
2. business "people" go to their own schools to learn which are well known to be extremely grade inflated and basic compared to any humanities or STEM education
3. financial newspapers are writing for business majors who don't want to read things that are too difficult
4. money can be exchanged for goods and services

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Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006

T-man posted:

1. most newspapers tried to keep their writing to a sixth grade level
2. business "people" go to their own schools to learn which are well known to be extremely grade inflated and basic compared to any humanities or STEM education
3. financial newspapers are writing for business majors who don't want to read things that are too difficult
4. money can be exchanged for goods and services

This checks out, my company produces weekly newsletters for its executive customers and at our business-wide end of year review the pub division's big takeaway was that stories in said newsletters were too long and complicated for our readers. The examples of good, popular stories wouldn't have looked out of place in Highlights for Children.

Execs want to say they subscribe to [whatever] as a class signifier, otherwise they're functionally illiterate.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1339669287846506496

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Marzzle posted:

particularly embarrassing because the media is like "THIS IS STATE LEVEL ACTOR CYBERWAR" and it's actually just someone guessing their lovely password as if you'd need billions poured into R+D to do that. like drat, solarwinds couldn't even use public/private keys or anything? just a 13 character password protecting our critical national CYBERINFRASTRUCTURE?
The fact that they immediately went for DoE and defense agencies still suggests a government behind it, but it could have been some random person who then sold access to them.

Inceltown posted:

If my email is secured better than your critical infrastructure you have a huge problem.
Elon Musk's kid would make a better password.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

GWBBQ posted:

Elon Musk's kid would make a better password.

I had to google what you meant.. gently caress me!!

A bit/lot weirder than the average celebrity name, are these people in a race to see how hosed up they can make their kids by the age of 10 or something?

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


They're going to have to homeschool because there's no way they'll be able to wind a school system whose student database will accept that as a valid input.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Israel :toxx:

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

If it is, this story will be memory-holed pretty quickly. If you keep reading about it, it was probably the Chinese.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/WASBAPPIN/status/1339709783201304577

that's bappin

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

GWBBQ posted:

They're going to have to homeschool because there's no way they'll be able to wind a school system whose student database will accept that as a valid input.

I unironically support billionaires naming their kids badly because it’s the only thing that might push corporations and the government to support non-Anglo names.

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

changing my name to "O(N!) ⚙ DLL" on my college application so they'll think i'm a billionaire's son

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Thus of old: Jared, who plays lacrosse

Thus now: X Æ A-12 🥍

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

T-man posted:

1. most newspapers tried to keep their writing to a sixth grade level
2. business "people" go to their own schools to learn which are well known to be extremely grade inflated and basic compared to any humanities or STEM education
3. financial newspapers are writing for business majors who don't want to read things that are too difficult
4. money can be exchanged for goods and services

Isn't the real reason newspapers "are at a sixth grade level" because that they're supposed to be readily understandable expository information that fits readily into the constrained space of a newspaper column

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Milo and POTUS posted:

Isn't the real reason newspapers "are at a sixth grade level" because that they're supposed to be readily understandable expository information that fits readily into the constrained space of a newspaper column

that was the excuse my jornalism degree friends went for, yes. functionally any time i let an actual nuanced take go to print we'd get a slew of Dr. Dipshits sending in rambling rebuttals that were obviously furiously typed out after reading the first paragraph. and my EIC didn't let me filter them, so you could always tell when we ran a thinkpiece on abortion by the fedoralords on the letters to the editor page.

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

...what? is this story actually just “pictograms can communicate information” or am I being dumb?

Eh. Old news.


"?"
"!"

Actual exchange between Victor Hugo (or Oscar Wilde) and his publisher about sales of his new book.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Milo and POTUS posted:

Isn't the real reason newspapers "are at a sixth grade level" because that they're supposed to be readily understandable expository information that fits readily into the constrained space of a newspaper column

Not a journalist, but when bureaucrats talk about "x grade level" my agency tends to use Flesch–Kincaid scores, which are...not really that meaningful as a level of sophistication or whatever. It's basically a score based on "how long are words and how long are sentences," which is basically "how many letters between spaces and how many spaces between periods." You can make sentences that have very low grade levels but are opaque as hell, and you can make sentences that are very clear at pretty high grade levels. The kind of most noteworthy thing is that direct, strong sentences tend to produce very low levels, while lots of caveats and asides produces higher ones.

Like here's a silly little chart




I don't think it really tells us that much that Jane Austen gets scored around 5th grade while Michael Crichton gets scored closer to 9th.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Tulip posted:

Like here's a silly little chart




I don't think it really tells us that much that Jane Austen gets scored around 5th grade while Michael Crichton gets scored closer to 9th.

Pounded In The Butt By Charts

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

T-man posted:

1. most newspapers tried to keep their writing to a sixth grade level
2. business "people" go to their own schools to learn which are well known to be extremely grade inflated and basic compared to any humanities or STEM education
3. financial newspapers are writing for business majors who don't want to read things that are too difficult
4. money can be exchanged for goods and services

I'm glad that reading ability hasn't declined so far that the author actually could have gotten away with a few emojis instead of having to describe them in a circuitous way

though it's still incredibly facile. he's happy after a business deal went through? you don't say

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

New from our stupid cyberpunk dystopia lab: internet connected cameras in your garbage can that shame you for not recycling properly

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/18/tech/compology-artificial-intelligence/index.html.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

Tulip posted:





I don't think it really tells us that much that Jane Austen gets scored around 5th grade while Michael Crichton gets scored closer to 9th.

ah yes, thomas pynchon, far easier to comprehend than tom clancy or jk rowling's later books

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

im too busy rereading the affordable care act while playing chess with Joseph Michelli

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Marzzle posted:

particularly embarrassing because the media is like "THIS IS STATE LEVEL ACTOR CYBERWAR" and it's actually just someone guessing their lovely password as if you'd need billions poured into R+D to do that. like drat, solarwinds couldn't even use public/private keys or anything? just a 13 character password protecting our critical national CYBERINFRASTRUCTURE?

The backdoor front door with a key entry was pretty bing bong simple but what they actually did with it was pretty well managed and relatively technologically clever. I don't know if there's enough (at least publicly) available information to say if it was a state actor, but it was at least a well disciplined and resourced group.

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008


Tulip posted:

Not a journalist, but when bureaucrats talk about "x grade level" my agency tends to use Flesch–Kincaid scores, which are...not really that meaningful as a level of sophistication or whatever. It's basically a score based on "how long are words and how long are sentences," which is basically "how many letters between spaces and how many spaces between periods." You can make sentences that have very low grade levels but are opaque as hell, and you can make sentences that are very clear at pretty high grade levels. The kind of most noteworthy thing is that direct, strong sentences tend to produce very low levels, while lots of caveats and asides produces higher ones.

Like here's a silly little chart




I don't think it really tells us that much that Jane Austen gets scored around 5th grade while Michael Crichton gets scored closer to 9th.

Oh and I get in trouble when I make 5th graders read Cormac McCarthy!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

quote:

According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk for COVID infections, along with factors like age and the location or unit where they work in the hospital. Residents apparently did not have an assigned location, and along with their typically young age, they were dropped low on the priority list.

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...l-medical-resid

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Milo and POTUS posted:

Isn't the real reason newspapers "are at a sixth grade level" because that they're supposed to be readily understandable expository information that fits readily into the constrained space of a newspaper column
There are a few factors. Constrained space and being accessible and easily digestible but relatively comprehensive to the majority of people regardless of their education are important to keep readership up.

Specifically in the case of USA Today, sticking to simple coverage and writing at a lower (I think 3rd-4th grade level English) gets the paper delivered to hotels en masse because almost nobody is going to complain about bias and it's easy to read for people who speak English as a second language. ESL is a big selling point for major cities wherever you are.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Oh and I get in trouble when I make 5th graders read Cormac McCarthy!

Hahaha oh man I thought you were joking

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019


God loving drat that's some blame shifting. Absolutely amazing how the algorithm gave it to the exact same people you'd expect to get it if the management team didn't give the slightest gently caress about anyone but themselves.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS


Advertising machines force us to feign politeness to them.

At least I can tell salesmen to gently caress off.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1340091749595815936?s=21

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

The Oldest Man posted:

New from our stupid cyberpunk dystopia lab: internet connected cameras in your garbage can that shame you for not recycling properly

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/18/tech/compology-artificial-intelligence/index.html.

i'm reminded of that short story where all low wage workers are controlled by this management AI that whispers in their ears (via bluetooth headphones) what they should be doing at all times in the day. there are cameras and sensors everywhere, but no managers just an AI calculating the best action for you to take at every second of every day

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
That’s Marshall Brain’s “Manna”.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1340286032667930624?s=21

looking forward to getting run over by the walmart delivery droid

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Crusader posted:

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1340286032667930624?s=21

looking forward to getting run over by the walmart delivery droid

always a good sign when the self-drivimg truck company has to explicitly assure people that the trucks are in fact capable of turning left


quote:

Like other autonomous vehicle companies, Gatik uses the full sensor suite for sensor fusion-based perception. The autonomous box trucks have six LiDARs, six radars (two long range, four medium range), 14 cameras and GPS.

But the environment is the key to Gatik’s operation. “We are Level 4. But instead of solving geofenced areas, we solved fixed, repeatable routes,” Narang said. “We operate these vehicles back and forth on fixed routes day after day after day. We’ve optimized the technology to drive on these routes. We believe we’re solving the middle mile problem, not the autonomy problem.”

Gatik’s box trucks each typically complete between 6-15 runs per day. Taking the fixed, repeatable route approach a step further, Gatik’s autonomous vehicles are restricted to driving in the right-most lane as often as possible. UPS uses the same tactic. Its trucks almost never turn left because it’s more fuel efficient, the company claims. Narang said staying in the right lane helps Gatik avoid changing multiple lanes and unprotected left turns, which is one of the harder maneuvers for autonomous vehicles. Gatik also avoids routes that drive by fire stations, hospitals and schools due to unpredictability.

“The routes are all driven by customer requests. We look at their operation and run simulations to see if there’s anything we should avoid. We study driving patterns and traffic data. We also have multiple routes to connect each node in case of heavy traffic or road closures. We don’t have to have the fastest or shortest route. We choose the route that’s safest and easiest for the technology.”

If needed, Gatik’s vehicles will operate in left lanes and are capable of making lane changes and unprotected left turns.

Greg12
Apr 22, 2020

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Rutibex posted:

i'm reminded of that short story where all low wage workers are controlled by this management AI that whispers in their ears (via bluetooth headphones) what they should be doing at all times in the day. there are cameras and sensors everywhere, but no managers just an AI calculating the best action for you to take at every second of every day

That sounds nice, I'm really tired of having to think and make decisions all the time :smith:

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Crusader posted:

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1340286032667930624?s=21

looking forward to getting run over by the walmart delivery droid

I'll believe it when I see it

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

Platystemon posted:

That’s Marshall Brain’s “Manna”.
It's free to read and the American future in it becomes more plausible each year.
https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

you know i feel like self driving trains would be a way better starting point for the tech rather than cars. maybe a self driving boat that can do trans atlantic trips

DarkEuphoria
Nov 7, 2012


Crusader posted:

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1340286032667930624?s=21

looking forward to getting run over by the walmart delivery droid

thank god the liability for mowing down pedestrians can now be abstracted even further.

also lol 2021 is a real optimistic timeline hahaha self driving cars don’t work ya rubes. Though, if they are on specific routes that don’t change and can be preprogrammed, they have a much better chance of pulling it off.

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MorrisBae
Jan 18, 2020

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