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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The Chinese troops have invaded Wisconsin. Their first objective was to bomb the dialysis and insulin clinics to disable the resistance movement that was beginning to form seems to be the opposite problem, actually https://twitter.com/verge/status/1340065195847258112
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theCalamity posted:"Prefer" doesn't seem really forceful. Like he doesn't really care either way. At least, that's the feeling I get from that. Especially since that's the only one regarding checks It's not forceful at all. Full quote is: quote:“I think it would be better if they had the $1,200 [payments to families],” Biden said when asked at a press conference to respond to criticism about a new Covid relief plan revealed this week as a starting point for the latest round of negotiations on Capitol Hill. If he wants the checks he's playing it real close to his chest. Found another vid from the 12th where he talks about his first 100 days and all he talks about there is vaccine distribution, a mask mandate, and reopening schools. Harris, who had called for $2k/month payments prior to getting the VP nod, seems to be equally quiet on the concept of checks. It seems odd that Biden doesn't appear involved in the negotiations, even as someone advocating from outside, given that he's going to be president in a month. FlamingLiberal posted:Chuck Schumer just came out to support Bernie's amendment to issue the $1200 checks Schumer pushing for that and $50k student loan forgiveness has been pleasantly surprising and has given me hope that something might happen, at least if the Dems take the Senate. Biden can't pretend that he hasn't heard these things if it's Schumer saying it. Hopefully Schumer doesn't change his tune if he actually gets to be majority leader.
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Shageletic posted:Also your second paragraph contradicts your second. Most of Trump's EOs survived judicial review, a fact only made evident by issuing it and letting the courts decide their merit. If Biden truly wants to reverse and make people whole, he'll have to issue EOs that will inevitably be challenged in the courts. Most of Trump's EO's the last couple years were meaningless fluff that did not actually do anything designed only to make headlines, which is what he started issuing after he got sick and tired of being nationally humiliated by the courts. Very little of substance has survived review, and the last time he tried to do anything dramatic was the census thing. It will be trivially easy for Biden to reverse whatever bad poo poo from Trump that has still survived.
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/1340053936569540610 Digging the graphic design aesthetic of low-budget forest rave flyer ponzicar posted:Are you guys 100% certain that this Space Force announcement isn't some sort of a joke? Obviously it is, it just also appears to be real. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Rigel posted:Most of Trump's EO's the last couple years were meaningless fluff that did not actually do anything designed only to make headlines, which is what he started issuing after he got sick and tired of being nationally humiliated by the courts. Very little of substance has survived review, and the last time he tried to do anything dramatic was the census thing. I assume that poster was confused about agency policy directives, of which trump issued a fuckton, and EOs (of which trump issued comparatively few of and many were not even actionable orders). Most of what trump and co did was by simply changing procedural stuff in major agencies and by cancelling directives that either were tied to obama or accomplished anything progressive at all. Of particular note, trump's admin focused heavily on eliminating any agency policy that provided lgbtq protections at any level. Environmental protections and epa enforcement mechanisms were also primary targets of his administration. As to specifically EOs, Trump issued substantially fewer EOs than any other recent president. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/1340053936569540610 A) What the gently caress are they Guarding against?!  B) What kind of slogan is this? https://twitter.com/SpaceForceDoD/status/1340054057357074432?s=19
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Schumer pushing for that and $50k student loan forgiveness has been pleasantly surprising and has given me hope that something might happen, at least if the Dems take the Senate. Biden can't pretend that he hasn't heard these things if it's Schumer saying it. Hopefully Schumer doesn't change his tune if he actually gets to be majority leader. I’m surprised you’d humor this effort by Schumer, who knows as well as anyone that he’s an ancient weirdo who lives in the same state as the most prominent American politician under the age of 40 (and who might actually activate a lot of those non-voters I talked about in my effortpost that ended up at the bottom of last page). It’s also a bit sad that Biden’s much lower bar made Schumer’s proposal seem so generous, but $50k is still insufficient to handle the problem of student loan debt. I’ll believe Schumer’s doing more than cynical messaging if he pushes for it when it could conceivably be passed by Congress. Otherwise, and based on the behavior of his allies in the party leadership, my main assumption is he’s looking to guard his left flank in 2022. I’d say that Schumer is doing a big-brained play here, purposefully setting an upper limit on debate by making it seem higher than what even the president is proposing and therefore the “progressive” position, but he’s a man who serves imaginary friends as his primary constituents so I probably shouldn’t make big assumptions about the chess dimension he’s working in.
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Robviously posted:A) What the gently caress are they Guarding against?! They are fighting evil by moonlight, winning love by day light, they're always ready for a real fight, they are the ones known as Space Force.
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What the gently caress do heritage and culture have to do with space? In addition to tainting the Destiny universe, they're apparently plagiarizing white nationalist propaganda?
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ImpAtom posted:They are fighting evil by moonlight, winning love by day light, they're always ready for a real fight, they are the ones known as Space Force. You guys are making fun of them, but when the aliens come you'll be sorry if they don't get the funding they need! It really would be proof that I'm in a coma if it turns out aliens do come in peace and the Space Force blows up their ships.
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Goon-pool for the opportunity? Maybe let Stormy Daniels push the button? Seriously though, they’re gonna raise a shitload of cash for the Boys & Girls Club. https://twitter.com/npr/status/1339711226834808835?s=21 generic one fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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ponzicar posted:What the gently caress do heritage and culture have to do with space? In addition to tainting the Destiny universe, they're apparently plagiarizing white nationalist propaganda?
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As commander-in-chief, will Biden have the power to disband Space Force? Or can he at least reabsorb space-related military things back into the Air Force and assign all Space Force personnel to something else entirely? The whole concept of Space Force irks me, and doubly so that it is an "accomplishment" of Trump's that may last. Destroy it in its crib, I say.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I assume that poster was confused about agency policy directives, of which trump issued a fuckton, and EOs (of which trump issued comparatively few of and many were not even actionable orders). Most of what trump and co did was by simply changing procedural stuff in major agencies and by cancelling directives that either were tied to obama or accomplished anything progressive at all. Of particular note, trump's admin focused heavily on eliminating any agency policy that provided lgbtq protections at any level. Environmental protections and epa enforcement mechanisms were also primary targets of his administration. This was weird to me, and I have a couple theories depending on how cynical I feel that day: 1. Trump signed some early ones back when no one in his incompetent administration knew how to draft one that would withstand legal scrutiny, and this made Trump gunshy about them because he didn't want to look a fool; or, 2. Trump signed some early ones back when no one in his incompetent administration knew how to draft one that would withstand legal scrutiny, and they never figured out how so they sort of stopped trying; or, 3. Trump signed some early ones back when no one in his incompetent administration knew how to draft one that would withstand legal scrutiny, but ultimately his handlers realized what was most useful is if the federal government basically stopped doing anything competently ever
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Inferior Third Season posted:As commander-in-chief, will Biden have the power to disband Space Force? Or can he at least reabsorb space-related military things back into the Air Force and assign all Space Force personnel to something else entirely? Space Force was just a separation of forces and command that already existed. It's not a terrible idea, just terribly executed.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I assume that poster was confused about agency policy directives, of which trump issued a fuckton, and EOs (of which trump issued comparatively few of and many were not even actionable orders). Most of what trump and co did was by simply changing procedural stuff in major agencies and by cancelling directives that either were tied to obama or accomplished anything progressive at all. Of particular note, trump's admin focused heavily on eliminating any agency policy that provided lgbtq protections at any level. Environmental protections and epa enforcement mechanisms were also primary targets of his administration. Yes, that is a more substantial problem that is going to require competent appointees who are willing to learn their new departments, get up to speed with the career bureaucrats, and work hard. Its not really a Biden thing, its more of a job for his cabinet and their deputies. Competence is going to be more important for this particular cabinet than it probably was in the prior few administrations or will be in the next few administrations.
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Rigel posted:Yes, that is a more substantial problem that is going to require competent appointees who are willing to learn their new departments, get up to speed with the career bureaucrats, and work hard. Its not really a Biden thing, its more of a job for his cabinet and their deputies. Competence is going to be more important for this particular cabinet than it probably was in the prior few administrations or will be in the next few administrations. Now I'm home to repost that WaPo article (for academic reasons)! quote:Thick packets have been delivered regularly to President-elect Joe Biden’s Wilmington, Del., home, providing meticulous details on each potential Cabinet member’s strengths, weaknesses and possible areas of conflict. Biden has been conducting virtual interviews with final candidates, focusing on their values and life stories nearly as much as their approach to the departments they would lead.
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gently caress SNEEP posted:Space Force was just a separation of forces and command that already existed. It's not a terrible idea, just terribly executed. Realistically, they should just re-brand it with a boring name that isn’t highly mockable. It would be the same thing as killing it in Trump’s mind.
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generic one posted:Realistically, they should just re-brand it with a boring name that isn’t highly mockable. It would be the same thing as killing it in Trump’s mind.
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rko posted:I’m surprised you’d humor this effort by Schumer, who knows as well as anyone that he’s an ancient weirdo who lives in the same state as the most prominent American politician under the age of 40 (and who might actually activate a lot of those non-voters I talked about in my effortpost that ended up at the bottom of last page). Without being pressured I would expect Biden to go with no checks and zero student loan forgiveness, so if Schumer's statements actually transform into action I'll consider it a mild victory at least. If nothing else it's good to see someone in leadership getting nervous and feeling a need to reach out to the left, even if it is pushing more restrained policy than what I would like to see. Of course we should still replace every one of these people with someone better, regardless of what scraps they toss us.
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generic one posted:Realistically, they should just re-brand it with a boring name that isn’t highly mockable. It would be the same thing as killing it in Trump’s mind. If I was Joe I would do everything in my power to make sure Donald isn't credited for anything.
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Payndz posted:What, "guardians"? As in "of the galaxy"? Fuuuuuuuck. I really want to know which rear end in a top hat decided it would be a good idea to show Dipshit Star Wars or Guardians of the Galaxy that put the stupid Space Force idea in his head.
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Rigel posted:Most of Trump's EO's the last couple years were meaningless fluff that did not actually do anything designed only to make headlines, which is what he started issuing after he got sick and tired of being nationally humiliated by the courts. Very little of substance has survived review, and the last time he tried to do anything dramatic was the census thing. Don't know where to start here. First of all Trump's EO orders were immensely impactful. They banned a good section of the world from immigrating to the US. He turned the naturalization and greencard process into a joke, tripling the prosecution of immigrants while cutting support for the immigrant courts, essentially denying asylum to, again, a large percentage of the world sanctuary. Those hundreds of kids he kidnapped? Guess what theyre now with foster families that under the rules he's promulgated have a good chance to stay permanently away from their original parents. He's infected a quarter of a million people with coronavirus because one of his orders said they had to reside in ICE detention center. I can go on. So what's your point? Ah yes, putting aside immense harm his EO orders have done, he's promulgated hundreds of them, at a rate never seen before: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Donald_Trump Here's the thing, the majority of them survived judicial scrutiny. Taking money appropriated to DoD to build the wall? Survived judicial scrutiny. Kicking thousands of TPS children and their famolies back to El Salvador and Haiti? The courts just recently lifted the injunction against that. And I'm not even talking about the immense damage executive agencies like CPB have wrought against immigrants... The good thing is that alot of this is reversible. Biden could step in to stop alot of TPS from being ejected back into dangerous and unsafe countries. But it needs an executive willing to act and see the scope of the problem, doing whatever is needed to solve it. I have no idea where your blitheness comes from. Its astonishing to me. And it's an attitude that does not help, at all.
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generic one posted:Realistically, they should just re-brand it with a boring name that isn’t highly mockable. It would be the same thing as killing it in Trump’s mind. Would going beyond just rebranding it and just doing a full re-sort the responsibilities and deleting the extra chair be a terrible idea? I kinda would like that more than worrying about spending money on tearing down the wall (just decriminalize loving with it).
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Looked around a bit but the last statement I could find was from two weeks ago. He said he would prefer a bill that had the checks, but I don't see any statements since. Here's an ad he cut for the Georgia senate races where he talks about a COVID relief bill: Doesn’t Georgia have stupid high number of vets?
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Gerund posted:Would going beyond just rebranding it and just doing a full re-sort the responsibilities and deleting the extra chair be a terrible idea? I don’t think it’s a terrible idea at all. I mean, it makes sense for all that to roll up under one chain of command, but you could probably do that just by having it fall under the Air Force umbrella, where most of the responsibilities were before.
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Ringo Star Get posted:We are literally going to have a space force like the marines from Starcraft. Just a bunch of racist rednecks chugging beers and talking like Forrest Gump while an alien tears their throats out. Weren't the rednecks socialists originally?
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Shageletic posted:Don't know where to start here. First of all Trump's EO orders were immensely impactful. They banned a good section of the world from immigrating to the US. He can do that. Well, there was a hiccup in court where he started out by drawing up his list of banned countries in a nakedly discriminatory way, but he absolutely can do that, because our laws say he can. Our laws presume the president will not be an unhinged racist imbecile and give him wide latitude to restrict immigration for national security reasons. When we are talking about legally dubious EO's, this isn't one of them. Here's the thing though: this policy will be trivially easy for Biden to reverse. This position you seem to have where Trump EO's are going to be difficult to reverse and/or require prevailing in court is just not true. Shageletic posted:He turned the naturalization and greencard process into a joke, tripling the prosecution of immigrants while cutting support for the immigrant courts, essentially denying asylum to, again, a large percentage of the world sanctuary. He can do that. When it comes to immigration where I guess your focus is re: Trump EO's, congress has delegated a huge amount of decisions to the president. Perhaps future congresses will stop presuming the president will not be a racist moron and will put restrictions on the president's discretion in our immigration law. This policy will be trivially easy for Biden to reverse. Shageletic posted:Those hundreds of kids he kidnapped? Guess what theyre now with foster families that under the rules he's promulgated have a good chance to stay permanently away from their original parents. He's infected a quarter of a million people with coronavirus because one of his orders said they had to reside in ICE detention center. Department policy and rules as discussed in posts above, not really based on Trump EO's. Department policy and procedure will take more effort to reform, as will reversing the damage already done. Shageletic posted:I can go on. So what's your point? Ah yes, putting aside immense harm his EO orders have done, he's promulgated hundreds of them, at a rate never seen before: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Donald_Trump The majority of his EO's are silly meaningless fluff that was only designed to make headlines, especially in the last couple years. He started issuing toothless EO's that did nothing after he got sick of being smacked around and humiliated by courts in his first year. Shageletic posted:Taking money appropriated to DoD to build the wall? Survived judicial scrutiny. Kicking thousands of TPS children and their famolies back to El Salvador and Haiti? The courts just recently lifted the injunction against that. OK? The courts deferred to Trump's argument on diverting a few billion dollars ostensibly to fight drug trafficking as a legit use of national defense money. Congress is now responding by giving future presidents less flexibility to divert defense funds in the new budget. So what, Biden is not somehow bound to continue spending money on new walls in perpetuity. I think we should also distinguish between "normal" EO's where congress gave the president discretion to act based on future facts, and the mechanism by which he is supposed to use this discretion is a EO..... and wildly abnormal EO's like "I think every census since the beginning of the republic were all done incorrectly, and I think the constitution requires eliminating illegal aliens". It is the latter variety we are primarily focused on, and those have not been very successful. Shageletic posted:And I'm not even talking about the immense damage executive agencies like CPB have wrought against immigrants... Not executive orders. Racist assholes won the election and were appointed to run the CPB. They didn't really even have to twist the law because our law as written is pretty loving harsh. Shageletic posted:The good thing is that alot of this is reversible. Biden could step in to stop alot of TPS from being ejected back into dangerous and unsafe countries. Not really. Reversing Trump executive orders do not require a tremendous amount of effort or political courage. It is trivially easy to do. Reagan reversed a lot of last-minute Carter EO's, and presidents have followed suit ever since whenever their party takes back the white house. As someone else mentioned, you may be confusing executive orders with something else. Rigel fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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e: can’t help but feel like you’re aggressively missing the point in pursuit of a very stupid bit of pedantry Rigel, but by all means please enjoy your Friday however you please. FlamingLiberal posted:Seriously yeah. I don't really care if they decide to have an organization like that, but can we change the name that sounds like it was picked by a child? Isn’t increasing the militarization (and privatization) of space a profoundly bad idea, especially when it’s being driven by the world’s sole imperial superpower and their gigantic military? And the name is the problem? (It does suck tho, all of the branding and iconography around it fuckin sucks poo poo) rko fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Pick posted:Now I'm home to repost that WaPo article (for academic reasons)! "In most of his picks, Biden has valued expertise — not necessarily in particular subject areas but in crisis management. In his view, his administration is inheriting a multipronged crisis, and a government workforce that has spent four years being disparaged and downplayed. That is why many of his appointments have extensive government service, those close to the decision-making say." This makes a lot of sense for most of his picks (but Mayor Pete lol)
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The space force is now in the budget and can not be easily scrapped. The creation of a new organization in DoD was also bipartisan, and Trump just took it and put his dumbass embarrassing "Space Force full of Guardians" branding on it. Hopefully we'll start calling it something else in the future.
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Medullah posted:You guys are making fun of them, but when the aliens come you'll be sorry if they don't get the funding they need! The good news is, any interstellar ship has to be able to deal with debris at near or faster-than-light speeds. So they pretty much have to have point defense systems for that which would have a cakewalk swatting down every single nuke we could launch. And then hopefully they laugh at us and leave, with a space-warning buoy marking us as idiots. Or in true 2020 fashion they glass us in an instant with their engines as they fly away. rko posted:Isn’t increasing the militarization (and privatization) of space a profoundly bad idea, especially when it’s being driven by the world’s sole imperial superpower and their gigantic military? As much as we should avoid militarizing space for as long as possible, history has shown that any region rich in resources creates exploitation of said resources, followed by colonization in some form. And colonization pretty universally leads to conflict. Space will be privatized, nationalized and militarized, it's only a question of when. The sole exception being if we glass ourselves before that can happen. Orthanc6 fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Orthanc6 posted:The good news is, any interstellar ship has to be able to deal with debris at near or faster-than-light speeds. So they pretty much have to have point defense systems for that which would have a cakewalk swatting down every single nuke we could launch. Someone has not done their research, you disable their defenses with the power of a Mac then nuke them.
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Rigel posted:He can do that. Well, there was a hiccup in court where he started out by drawing up his list of banned countries in a nakedly discriminatory way, but he absolutely can do that, because our laws say he can. Our laws presume the president will not be an unhinged racist imbecile and give him wide latitude to restrict immigration for national security reasons. When we are talking about legally dubious EO's, this isn't one of them. You started this conversation with saying "very little of substance" of Trump's EO's survived scrutiny. Guess what, you're competely wrong about that. The majority of Trump's EO's survived scrutiny. And about the easy reversibility of Trump's EOs when it comes to immigration...there are 400 of them. And there is already pressure on Biden to keep most of them intact, aka migrant camps in Mexico and a purposefully bottled prosecutorial approach to asylum seekers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/02/biden-trump-immigration-policy/?arc404=true Every presidential administration has built on, and not demolished, an increasingly punitive approach to immigration. You're wrong on the substance of your post regarding EOs surviving judicial scrutiny, your wrong about the impact its had, and you're wrong about the ease on which it will be reversed without significant pressure on the Biden admin. And I'm left wondering why you're so eager to downplay the effects of Trump's EOs and what it will take to reverse them. Its such a horrible issue that a shrugging attitide of who cares comes off as sociopathic.
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Orthanc6 posted:The good news is, any interstellar ship has to be able to deal with debris at near or faster-than-light speeds. So they pretty much have to have point defense systems for that which would have a cakewalk swatting down every single nuke we could launch. The economics of space resources are weird and can't really be compared to what we have experienced in the past with colonization. As soon as you leave the earth you realize almost every single element is so common in space the only rare thing is life which can only be found on earth. So much gold, platinum, rare earth materials they will be practically worthless. I don't know how it will go in the future I am not super optimistic we will get that far as a species. I suppose it could always go like how diamonds are on earth plentiful and artificially inflated in value but really kind of worthless.
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Orthanc6 posted:The good news is, any interstellar ship has to be able to deal with debris at near or faster-than-light speeds. uuuuuh
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