|
Prism posted:uuuuuh that one is presuming some species finds an FTL method, like an alcubierre drive. That is not a given of course, but even reasonably realistic, sub-light engines for getting between stars in some sort of reasonable timeframe still presents the problem of debris coming at you incredibly fast, so the solutions are similar. To keep this in US pol and not derailing into full future science speculation, while there is a lot of uncertainty around exactly how and when space resource extraction will happen, the US taking some steps to start thinking about it isn't a crazy idea. Especially with SpaceX giving them back the ability to get their own people up there, and at the same time launching new fleets of satellites which might be a game changer for communications. I think we've been in a space expansion quagmire for so long due to lack of direction from the US government that we expect very little from new space efforts, but we really are seeing a renaissance in this field for the moment.
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 02:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 11:24 |
|
|
Reading about the GOP Senators trying to limit the Fed’s lending capabilities in order to hold up a stimulus deal makes my blood boil. What a bunch of unpatriotic pieces of poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 02:53
|
|
|
Asteroid mining by the moon and eventually Star lifting. That’s the future. gently caress colonizing another earth, leave life as is and study it if on another world and let nature live and visit it like a park. Many dead worlds like Mars to terraform and live on.
Gatts fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Dec 19, 2020 |
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 02:54
|
|
|
Vire posted:The economics of space resources are weird and can't really be compared to what we have experienced in the past with colonization. As soon as you leave the earth you realize almost every single element is so common in space the only rare thing is life which can only be found on earth. So much gold, platinum, rare earth materials they will be practically worthless. I don't know how it will go in the future I am not super optimistic we will get that far as a species. I suppose it could always go like how diamonds are on earth plentiful and artificially inflated in value but really kind of worthless. There's a space thread where we discuss these details and the conclusions may surprise you! The short of it is, while the resources in space are basically limitless, the ability to mine, extract, refine and process them and bring them back to earth is going to be heavily bottlenecked. Which in practice makes them far far far from worthless, even finding a asteroid full of rare earths won't appreciably dent the market despite the claims of 80 trillion$ of resources in them. Because they'll never be mined at a rate in which it could flood the market (and even if hypothetically that were possible, the asteroid mining equivalent of OPEC would coordinate to prevent undercutting the market like that). By the time your infrastructure develops to the point that mining and exploiting the resources in space is convenient and easy, the demand will have grown to counterbalance that surplus and the market will reach equilibrium. Plentiful and cheap resources (like oil) didn't lead to those resources being worthless, it lead to economies developing entirely around that resources plentifulness to near total dependence on it. I think the economics of space are trivially able to be viewed from historical macro-economic trends. space thread to learn more.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 02:55
|
|
|
Orthanc6 posted:
This sounds like you're assuming space is a place rich in resources. It's not, it's more barren than anything our minds can conceive of, including Antarctica and the ocean floor, which have so far not been exploited, colonized, or plundered, while remaining rich in resources. The issue is efficiency, and we aren't anywhere close to propulsion good enough to make mining a close asteroid made entirely of plutonium (of which there aren't any) economically feasible. There aren't even any hints that propulsion and space flight technologies will ever get there, except on a scale of "how far we've come is an indicator of how far we'll go", which is nonsense when applied to technology.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 02:57
|
|
|
Raenir Salazar posted:There's a space thread where we discuss these details and the conclusions may surprise you! The short of it is, while the resources in space are basically limitless, the ability to mine, extract, refine and process them and bring them back to earth is going to be heavily bottlenecked. Which in practice makes them far far far from worthless, even finding a asteroid full of rare earths won't appreciably dent the market despite the claims of 80 trillion$ of resources in them. Because they'll never be mined at a rate in which it could flood the market (and even if hypothetically that were possible, the asteroid mining equivalent of OPEC would coordinate to prevent undercutting the market like that). Don't want to derail the thread any further but that argument makes some assumptions that may or may not be true. One of which is that you want to bring it back down to earth instead of said place you are building in outer space. Its hard to project out so far and say that things will work the same because they always have.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:11
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:You started this conversation with saying "very little of substance" of Trump's EO's survived scrutiny. Guess what, you're competely wrong about that. The majority of Trump's EO's survived scrutiny. Executive orders and executive actions are not the same thing, as was stated above at various points. Trump has indeed released a ton of bullshit EOs (and plenty that were damaging in their own right) yet he has done probably the great majority of his damage, both to people and to american institutions, through executive actions... as your own link describes. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Dec 19, 2020 |
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:13
|
|
|
My question is since they're all about Heritage, will Space Guardians continue the tradition of ridiculous huge ceremonial swords.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:26
|
|
|
So, nothing today in terms of finalizing pandemic relief, but they were able to avoid a shutdown tonight and kicked the can two days down to Sunday? Cool, functioning government we have.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:28
|
|
|
Let us not forget the heritage-not-hate of our first American space warrior, former Confederate soldier John Carter.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:30
|
|
|
Josef bugman posted:Weren't the rednecks socialists originally? In StarCraft? At the start of the series they're the Terran Confederacy and their flag is literally the Confederate battle flag. They get replaced by an absolute monarchy that then has to fight off an attack from a Starship Troopers-esque Earth. So not really.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:32
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:Per Axios, Trump is going to throw a pardon party today.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:41
|
|
|
Herstory Begins Now posted:Executive orders and executive actions are not the same thing, as was stated above at various points. Trump has indeed released a ton of bullshit EOs (and plenty that were damaging in their own right) yet he has done probably the great majority of his damage, both to people and to american institutions, through executive actions... as your own link describes. And Trump has issued an average of 60 Eexcutive Orders a year that have mostly passed judicial scrutiny. Whats the point? It doesn't matter if they're gonna be published in the Federal Register. The argument was about whether executive orders were in effect, were substantial, and were a cinch to reverse. I'd say no to all that. E: if the argument is about whats worse, executive actions or orders, I dunno. Youd have to look at their totality I suppose. But that doesnt matter bc that wasnt what the argument was about ie the other poster brushing off executivr orders as having not mattered.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:42
|
|
|
4,000 new posts and a new weirder thread title? What happened? EDIT: Whoops, this is not C-SPAM. UnknownTarget fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Dec 19, 2020 |
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:44
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:Well I guess this turned out to be wrong. Thanks Axios! Axios sucks so bad. They have like one actual 'white house insider' and what must be ten randos who hang around getting 'scoops' from the janitors.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:44
|
|
|
Mr Luxury Yacht posted:In StarCraft? At the start of the series they're the Terran Confederacy and their flag is literally the Confederate battle flag. They get replaced by an absolute monarchy that then has to fight off an attack from a Starship Troopers-esque Earth. I think they're referring to how Mengsk during the original Starcraft's terran campaign fits the mold of a revolutionary military leader like Ho Chi Minh/Mao/Stalin very well; he was leading a widespread guerrilla insurgency against the confederacy (because they assassinated his family and than glassed his homeworld to silence him) with the stated intention of replacing them with something better (although it's never specified what this future would be, the emphasis was more on the stale stagnation of the old confederacy and its corruption and apathetic neglect of the border worlds with regards to the zerg), when the confederacy falls Mengsk crowns himself Emperor which came to Raynor, the Commander (the player pov character) and their followers as a shock/betrayal which would fit very closely to what happened historically to most real world socialist movements when the party gets taken over by said Maos/Stalins/Kims.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:47
|
|
|
Mr Luxury Yacht posted:In StarCraft? In real life. Interesting fact about that, Korea would probably have been fully socialist (and not under a Kim) if the USA hadn't appointed a dictator in the aftermath of WW2. They brought over the one guy who'd been agitating for his own return, and who spoke english, over a lot of the local socialist groups that were working together to get rid of the Japanese.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:47
|
|
|
sexpig by night posted:Axios sucks so bad. They have like one actual 'white house insider' and what must be ten randos who hang around getting 'scoops' from the janitors. Yeah axios' track record with scoops is pretty horrific. vanity fair of all places scoops a bizarre amount of white house drama
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:48
|
|
|
Pick posted:Now I'm home to repost that WaPo article (for academic reasons)! quote:That instinct, however, has led to some unusual picks that have baffled outside groups that closely follow each department. Xavier Becerra, the California attorney general, has little background running a health care agency but has been nominated as secretary of health and human services. Denis McDonough, a former chief of staff to President Obama, was chosen to lead the Department of Veterans Affairs despite never serving in uniform. Lmao. Yes, I too think that it's a good idea to nominate a lawyer to run our healthcare department. I'm sure the crisis management skills they have in a courtroom are applicable to a healthcare emergency, with very similar concerns! Our entire country is run by lawyers, who while generally very good at interpreting the law, have almost no idea how anything actually physically works. I see no downside to this. As for Denis, wasn't there a huge kerfuffle about a former military person being put in charge of the armed forces? What's wrong with having a military person run the VA? IDK, maybe an ex combat medic would be the best choice - for both of these roles? Lol.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:50
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:And Trump has issued an average of 60 Eexcutive Orders a year that have mostly passed judicial scrutiny. Whats the point? It doesn't matter if they're gonna be published in the Federal Register. The argument was about whether executive orders were in effect, were substantial, and were a cinch to reverse. I'd say no to all that. The conversation wasn't about that until you came in here and started yelling about "EO Orders" while people tried to gently suggest that you meant something else?
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:56
|
|
|
They are also putting Susan Rice in charge of domestic policy, which I find incredibly bizarre. She is a foreign policy person. Then they told Marsha Fudge that she would be getting HUD, despite lobbying for Dept of Agriculture. I honestly don't know what they are trying to do here.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 03:56
|
|
|
Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah axios' track record with scoops is pretty horrific. vanity fair of all places scoops a bizarre amount of white house drama yea the wild poo poo is every blue moon they DO get a scoop they can coast on for another couple months! I hope that one guy actually doing his job is getting paid well at least because he's keeping an army of useless morons afloat.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:04
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:They are also putting Susan Rice in charge of domestic policy, which I find incredibly bizarre. She is a foreign policy person. my favorite thing about that was putting Fudge on HUD for no reason like a day after Biden was told by black activists 'representation in a cabinet is more than just putting a black person in HUD because that's where you think black people go'. I 100% will go to my grave believing he either A) dementia brained that convo so bad he was left with 'black person...HUD...where black people go' or B) it was complete spite to show those uppity activists who's in charge.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:06
|
|
|
 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:31
|
|
|
sexpig by night posted:my favorite thing about that was putting Fudge on HUD for no reason like a day after Biden was told by black activists 'representation in a cabinet is more than just putting a black person in HUD because that's where you think black people go'. I 100% will go to my grave believing he either A) dementia brained that convo so bad he was left with 'black person...HUD...where black people go' or B) it was complete spite to show those uppity activists who's in charge. Honestly, I'm just surprised at how quickly he turned around and started making GBS threads on civil rights leaders. If that leaked recording is Biden at what should be his most jubilant, I cant imagine what he will be like behind closed doors a year from now, or post-midterms.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:38
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1340030149115428864 lmao we're just gonna keep doing the same loving mistakes over and over and over again
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:39
|
|
|
Herstory Begins Now posted:The conversation wasn't about that until you came in here and started yelling about "EO Orders" while people tried to gently suggest that you meant something else? This is what I was responding to Rigel posted:Most of Trump's EO's the last couple years were meaningless fluff that did not actually do anything designed only to make headlines, which is what he started issuing after he got sick and tired of being nationally humiliated by the courts. Very little of substance has survived review, and the last time he tried to do anything dramatic was the census thing. I have no idea what you're talking about
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:41
|
|
|
A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1340030149115428864 Yeah but we've already given him an emmy, I guess we gotta give him an oscar now
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:53
|
|
|
A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1340030149115428864 no matter how bad it gets in NYC he's just gonna keep patting himself on the back and dems are already too invested to not go along with it haha
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 04:58
|
|
|
sexpig by night posted:my favorite thing about that was putting Fudge on HUD for no reason like a day after Biden was told by black activists 'representation in a cabinet is more than just putting a black person in HUD because that's where you think black people go'. I 100% will go to my grave believing he either A) dementia brained that convo so bad he was left with 'black person...HUD...where black people go' or B) it was complete spite to show those uppity activists who's in charge. This seems like a weird assertion when he's putting up a lot of other Black people for high-ranking cabinet positions. You might not like Rice, Regan, Blocker, or Austin for their politics, but he's been putting up a whole slate of high-ranking Black appointees, including several in roles that have never had a Black person in that seat before.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:04
|
|
|
"There is no destiny here" isn't the resounding message of hope you think it is.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:08
|
|
|
empty whippet box posted:no matter how bad it gets in NYC he's just gonna keep patting himself on the back and dems are already too invested to not go along with it haha It's amazing how the dems keep trying to prop up neoliberal heroes despite literally no accomplishments besides thousands dead.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:19
|
|
|
Space Gopher posted:This seems like a weird assertion when he's putting up a lot of other Black people for high-ranking cabinet positions. You might not like Rice, Regan, Blocker, or Austin for their politics, but he's been putting up a whole slate of high-ranking Black appointees, including several in roles that have never had a Black person in that seat before. Brenda Mallory as Chair of Environmental Quality and Linda Thomas-Greenfield for UN as well. I recommend looking through the Transition Team website to see who is represented, they've laid it out really well: https://buildbackbetter.gov/nominees-and-appointees/domestic-nominees-and-appointees/
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:21
|
|
|
A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1340030149115428864 I might be wrong about this, but wouldn't a shut down while the vaccine is being distributed be an especially good idea? It would give people time to become immune while also not giving the virus a chance to spread and mutate. If there was ever a time to pay people to stay home for two weeks it's now.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:21
|
|
|
Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah axios' track record with scoops is pretty horrific. vanity fair of all places scoops a bizarre amount of white house drama Vanity Fair, despite the tone of its websites and its little snippets, is very sincere journalism and a lot of the reporters are personal friends of movers and shakers. I promise you they also know more than they publish. The print magazine proper is one of the best, least  sources of consistent, high-quality information on a variety of topics. That they usually lead with something that moves issues off the shelves is true, but their articles on the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Energy were some of the best I've ever read. The Stephen Miller article also had information I've never seen elsewhere (and was not disputed). Super thorough.e: If you haven't read the Miller article: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/stephen-miller-and-his-wife-found-love-in-a-hateful-place quote:To call it out loudly and offensively was his thing. In the superb, deeply revelatory new book Hatemonger, journalist Jean Guerrero chronicles how, beginning in high school, Miller systematically tried to humiliate any foreign group that appeared to be intruding into his world or asking for special treatment. She reports, for example, how he targeted the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA), telling the group’s local president, Maria Vivanco, to “speak only English,” and taunting new immigrants who struggled with English. When a school counselor, Oscar de la Torre, chaired a community meeting on providing opportunities for minorities, Miller attended so he could deliver his own message: that the school was excusing Black and Hispanic misbehavior by holding those students to a lower standard. The teenager held forth like a know-it-all, lecturing him that racism didn’t exist. No matter, notes Guerrero, that a decade earlier de la Torre had been the recipient of a hate letter, sent to hundreds of Latino families in Santa Monica, that called Mexicans “brown animals” and threatened to gas them like “Hitler gassed the Jews.” Pick fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Dec 19, 2020 |
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:23
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:They are also putting Susan Rice in charge of domestic policy, which I find incredibly bizarre. She is a foreign policy person. Maybe they're trying to cross-pollinate ideas from other domains. So we're going to start drone striking within US borders and subsidizing landlords so much that they don't even feel the need to rent out units.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:26
|
|
|
Space Gopher posted:This seems like a weird assertion when he's putting up a lot of other Black people for high-ranking cabinet positions. You might not like Rice, Regan, Blocker, or Austin for their politics, but he's been putting up a whole slate of high-ranking Black appointees, including several in roles that have never had a Black person in that seat before. Fudge herself literally said that she was not interested in being tokenized and given HUD specifically as an empty gesture that reflects a fairly racist assumption that urban=Black, to say nothing of the fact that she has little to no expertise in housing policy and then like two days later Biden tapped her for HUD anyway. Just to be clear this is not conjecture or exaggeration: posted:Fudge didn’t want the HUD job, a fact revealed by someone close to the process—Marcia Fudge. She was openly campaigning to run the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) as recently as a few days ago, and scornful of the idea that she could be pigeonholed as an inner-city Black Democrat. “As this country becomes more and more diverse, we're going to have to stop looking at only certain agencies as those that people like me fit in,” she told Politico last month. “You know, it's always ‘we want to put the Black person in Labor or HUD.’” From here: https://prospect.org/api/amp/cabinet-watch/biden-selection-process-veering-off-course-fudge-hud/?__twitter_impression=true The weird assertion here is your half baked defense of what was either an embarrassing mistake or a denigrating insult. While we're at it, can you clarify for me what the value is of having a "diverse" slate of nominees whose politics are basically indistinguishable from their white counterparts? Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Dec 19, 2020 |
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:28
|
|
|
Didn’t see this here— cori bush will be on the house judiciary committee https://twitter.com/coribush/status/1340085789678592000?s=21
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:31
|
|
|
Mat Cauthon posted:Fudge herself literally said that she was not interested in being tokenized and given HUD specifically as an empty gesture that reflects a fairly racist assumption that urban=Black, to say nothing of the fact that she has little to no expertise in housing policy and then like two days later Biden tapped her for HUD anyway. If she didn't want the position she could have, you know, not taken it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 11:24 |
|
|
empty whippet box posted:no matter how bad it gets in NYC he's just gonna keep patting himself on the back and dems are already too invested to not go along with it haha Ghost Leviathan posted:It's amazing how the dems keep trying to prop up neoliberal heroes despite literally no accomplishments besides thousands dead. Where are The Dems boosting Cuomo? There is nothing in the NY Daily Mag story about that.
|
|
#
?
Dec 19, 2020 05:43
|
|
