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freebooter posted:It would have to get pretty loving bad for Gladys to do a lockdown and I don't think it'll get there. Still sucks that it's ruined Christmas It hasn’t ruined Christmas but it will ruin Christmas if they don’t lock down. With the permits for Victoria it’s ruined my wife’s Christmas going to see her parents for the first time in a year. But we don’t want to get stuck in NSW or get locked down to a house for 14 days when we get back. Still better than catching the thing though.
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freebooter posted:It would have to get pretty loving bad for Gladys to do a lockdown and I don't think it'll get there. Still sucks that it's ruined Christmas KE was one of three young Noongar people who died in a horrific single vehicle crash on North Lake Road in Perth suburb Cockburn Central, which occured moments after police called off their pursuit in December 2015. The driver of the car, Matthew John Conduit, was the only survivor and was sentenced to 12 years in jail in 2017 after pleading guilty to three counts of dangerous driving causing death. A mandatory inquest, which must be held as the deaths occurred in the presence of police officers, has yet to be scheduled. ISSUES RAISED Injured in custody.
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JBP posted:It doesn't seem out of place with the other groups they list. Just seems like a Gen X or Vanguard millennial having the standard "as a parent I". Hi no if your friend said it was normal to do that without following up that actually it's really poo poo and shouldn't happen then they suck Miss Broccoli fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Miss Broccoli posted:Hi no if your friend said it was normal to do that without following up that actually it's really poo poo and shouldn't happen then they suck Why would you guess at their perspective or opinion and assume the worst lol E: Like they don't interrogate the child with a light in their face screaming did you learn this on the internet, they have a conversation about their feelings and where they come from which includes everything in their life. I imagine (I imagine, I don't know the rules for working with children but I *imagine* there is a degree of placating and explaining required) some of that is done to indemnify themselves against bullshit from parents as well but idk. I'm following up on this and getting a long form response to post from the perspective of what you must do as a psych. JBP fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Homora Gaykemi posted:super cool to see someone in one of the biggest papers in the country describing affirming care for trans kids this way Weird that there's cheerleading of detaining children in offshore torture indefinitely, but letting kids be who they want to be is somehow inhumane.
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Ok I gave the situation as a 13-14 year old with gender dysphoria: Ok so it depends on whether their parent has brought them in for treatment, because if their parent is a third party in treatment they may have rights to know what is discussed - but it always has to be balanced against the child’s safety and best interests. Regardless of the issue that brings them in, ideally you would have set up boundaries around information sharing etc. If their parents were really against them transitioning or exploring gender identity for any reason then you would want to either work directly with them, or refer them to a more specialist service / support group. If their parents were concerned but supportive that’s a whole different issue. If it was unsafe for the child to be at home because of this, then you would be required to report to DHHS who would investigate. However, unlikely a child would be removed unless they were being violently or sexually abused in the home and their parent(s) refused to engage with any treatment services. A lot of work might be around supporting the child / young person to cope with their circumstances, that would include the things that other people say or do to them (including their parents) You might have a role in educating the parents a little eg gender dysphoria isn’t a phase - it is a diagnostic category because the individual is experiencing significant distress associated with their gender identity Again, a lot of this depends on how things were set up to begin with - who is your primary client, what are the workplace requirements (eg do you work in private health, public school etc), what are the safety issues for the client(s) etc If the child / young person is your primary client (considered mature minor at 16 for the purposes of informed consent etc) then they might not want you to talk to their parents about anything related to their treatment, and that is also their right to privacy and confidentiality. When I asked very specifically about would a parent and child have a conversation with the psych regarding parental concerns like peer groups etc the response is: yes potentially, depends on the situation JBP fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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And that last part is absolutely wrong. If the starting point is "I think my kid is transing because their friends are" and the answer is to explore that instead of shut it down, it's mistreatment and harmful. Exploring it at all, and doctors saying it's good and normal, is cis doctors yelling trans people that they have to prove who they are and that they know more than trans people on what being trans is. Gatekeeping us a huge loving problem for us trans people seeking any sort of care, and that's what this is. Children, especially those who have poo poo parents, won't be able to articulate that someone else expressing they are trans made them realise they too would be happier not being forced into the gender they are currently boxed into. Miss Broccoli fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Miss Broccoli posted:And that last part is absolutely wrong. If the starting point is "I think my mid is transing because their friends are" and the answer is to explore that instead of shut it down, it's mistreatment and harmful. It sounds more like placating a legal guardian and complying with standards to me. I understand your point but I can only go on what's required and what might happen. I don't think the response is let's explore it, I think it's shutting it down in a way that maintains the relationship and guides the process to avoid future acrimony. On the topic of the article the response was that this person is "Someone who is deeply invested in misunderstanding and misinterpreting everything, and also victimhood plus martyrdom" and "the writer (if real) is grossly misrepresenting the situation". It's also not the starting point but I imagine a low information well meaning parent that is scared might investigate popular misconceptions. Who loving knows though. JBP fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Comstar posted:It hasn’t ruined Christmas but it will ruin Christmas if they don’t lock down. "You've ruined christmas!" "No, YOU'VE ruined christmas!" is like the intergenerational shouting match that comes with someone finally having had enough of their uncle's racist/sexist bullshit, and everybody picking sides
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I actually don't give a gently caress about Christmas per se, but it would've been nice to see my family after a year stuck in my apartment in Melbourne
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freebooter posted:I actually don't give a gently caress about Christmas per se, but it would've been nice to see my family after a year stuck in my apartment in Melbourne Yeah I feel you. Was hoping to go back to australia in like feb 2022 (covid withstanding) to see my nephew and go hiking/camping, but my girlfriend just told me that she probably won't be able to come anyway, which sucks harder than I thought it would. Speaking of, her family doesn't drink at family gatherings, for reasons I entirely respect, but it means that family stuff, even christmas, is mostly just a shitload of coffee and cake and talking to her grandpa about history using 3rd grade vocab. Oh and honest to god christmas songs like it's a cheesy old time american film, which I didn't know was an actual thing. What a world... seeing your family sober
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Yeah, I know I shouldn't complain, I'm still better off than basically every single person living in Europe and North America.
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Oh, I didn't mean it in that sense at all. Just that christmas is a funny time
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I get that NSW has better contact tracing, and the situation is nowhere near as out of hand as it was in Melbourne in June, but I don't understand why you wouldn't just do, like, a five-day lockdown for the whole city right now, instead of dicking around with an LGA lockdown and warning about maybe more restrictions tomorrow. Especially this close to Christmas! Go hard, go early, get it over and done with.
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freebooter posted:I get that NSW has better contact tracing, and the situation is nowhere near as out of hand as it was in Melbourne in June, but I don't understand why you wouldn't just do, like, a five-day lockdown for the whole city right now, instead of dicking around with an LGA lockdown and warning about maybe more restrictions tomorrow. Especially this close to Christmas! Go hard, go early, get it over and done with. It is incomprehensible
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Because not every politician is the Dandyman. Many care more about what the headlines would be in the Murdoch press than doing what's needed to be done right at the edge of Christmas and New Years.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Because not every politician is the Dandyman. To be fair Marshall (SA Premier) did order a statewide lock-down when SA had a similar outbreak.
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I heard the term "soft, voluntary lockdown" I mean that's not really a lockdown is it?
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I’m sure that this time Australians will do the right thing and stay at home rather than risk the health of themselves and their community hahahaaaaa
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I think part of it from a Victorian perspective is that after being in lockdown for four months (eight, really) the idea of doing a one-week lockdown is a walk in the park, and virtually everybody would agree a quick but ultimately unnecessary lockdown is better than a long but necessary one. edit - and, particularly, because if you did five days of it and it was going well you could then lift it in time to Save Christmas
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Because not every politician is the Dandyman. True, not every politician can lock people in public housing towers and be found to have breached the human rights of residents. They already said they are considering restrictions on everyone else as well. quote:Ms Berejiklian also flagged that restrictions could be extended across Greater Sydney if it was warranted.
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North Shore people happy about the lockdown because it means people from the other side of the bridge can't get in.
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Gladys 'Wuhan' Berejiklian
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ungulateman posted:Gladys 'Wuhan' Berejiklian
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More like the Sydney to Hospital race.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:More like the Sydney to Hospital race. 
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:More like the Sydney to Hospital race. 
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:More like the Sydney to Hospital race. Golly!
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i wish this wasn't happening. like it feels like we all knew on one level that christmas 2020 was going to get hosed somehow, but things were looking so hopeful for a moment there and watching everybody around me scramble to cancel their christmases is heartbreaking
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2020: I wish this wasn't happening
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this isnt australian specific so i dont know if its significantly different there, but most stuff ive been reading kind of point at a 2 week lag time for finding out whether preventative measures have been having an effect, like you gotta wait 2 weeks to see whether number go up or number go down is that also true for aus covid tracking? what does a 3 day soft lockdown mean, in that context? you lockdown for 3 days and then a week later count the number of self-reported covid infections, and say either "yes, 3 days seems to have been ok" or "no, it turns out we really should have done more, and now we're a week or two behind where we would have liked to have known that" ? it feels like you might as well just implement micro-lockdowns, like for eg every tuesday between 7 and 10pm at gladys' favourite restaurant. max 5 customers total, all at the same table, one waiter per person, no reporters
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Sulla Faex posted:this isnt australian specific so i dont know if its significantly different there, but most stuff ive been reading kind of point at a 2 week lag time for finding out whether preventative measures have been having an effect, like you gotta wait 2 weeks to see whether number go up or number go down Australian contact tracing is now pretty good in all of the states, and NSW is known for being very good at this with respect to COVID. The idea is that a 3 day soft lockdown will give contact tracing the time to sort out where this infection is coming from and who has it. At that point more targeted measures can be enacted. I don't necessarily know that it's going to work though. We'll all let you know in 3 days how it's gone.
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Yup, the idea of a short lockdown is that a puts a pause on movements so that contact tracing can get caught up. It only really works when there aren't cases being detected from untraceable sources. It's why the SA lockdown was initially for a week, as contact tracers were concerned they couldn't keep track of existing contacts and new ones occurring as people moved around. When investigations realised that the tracing did seem to have a better grip on things it was able to relax early.
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Senor Tron posted:Yup, the idea of a short lockdown is that a puts a pause on movements so that contact tracing can get caught up. It only really works when there aren't cases being detected from untraceable sources. They were worried about super covid, they thought the pizza guy infected a whole bunch of people from one visit, not yet knowing he lied and worked there.
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freebooter posted:2020: I wish this wasn't happening Auspol Summer: I wish this wasn't happening
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