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But why drill when you could participate in shenanigans with janitorial equipment
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Origin posted:At least we know Caesar knew what a book is. books were invented like 250 years after his death
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Big Willy Style posted:books were invented like 250 years after his death Hush, there are opinions about current politics to confirm, here in the Roman/ancient history thread.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojC-zTXSAsY Organ music, soft focus, and mean people shouting in Classical Latin.
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That guy sounds Italian as hell.
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Grand Fromage posted:That guy sounds Italian as hell. Don't you mean New Jersey?
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Grand Fromage posted:That guy sounds Italian as hell. Here's an incredibly pedantic look at the Latin; apparently these are Italian actors doing a reasonably good job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7uBUCZgpw8
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Grand Fromage posted:That guy sounds Italian as hell. What should og latin sound like then?
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Grand Fromage posted:That guy sounds Italian as hell. Is this a compliment?
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The intonation and stress is clearly Italian and I'm not sure how correct some of the elided consonants are
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All the Romans should be played by Finns.
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Ras Het posted:The intonation and stress is clearly Italian and I'm not sure how correct some of the elided consonants are 
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FreudianSlippers posted:All the Romans should be played by
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https://twitter.com/SAMOYEDCORE/status/1340292346831728640
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What if a guy from Ancient Rome game back to teach us proper spoken latin but he was from like, 2nd century AD Massilia
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ChubbyChecker posted:What should og latin sound like then? Dunno, never heard anyone try to act in classical Latin before. It's not a criticism, Romans sounding like Italians wouldn't be like, weird or anything. One could even argue Romans were Italians. 
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Imagining every Roman speaking like a Jersey guido makes it way more fun, too.
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Eyyy gently caress off I'm empirein' here.
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Alea iacta eyyy!
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Grand Fromage posted:Eyyy gently caress off I'm empirein' here. When I took high school latin the teacher taught us dweebs specific amusing phrases and one that we’d shout at each other then halls a lot was something like “redete plebes, gero rem imperialem!” which is more or less this iirc
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Grand Fromage posted:Imagining every Roman speaking like a Jersey guido makes it way more fun, too.
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Also this is the first thing I saw when I woke up this morning (at noon) and I seriously considered going back to bed permanently.
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Grand Fromage posted:Dunno, never heard anyone try to act in classical Latin before. It's not a criticism, Romans sounding like Italians wouldn't be like, weird or anything. One could even argue Romans were Italians. The German show Barbarians that came out this year has all the Roman characters speaking in latin. Not sure how well they pulled it off since I don't know latin myself, but here are some clips of them acting in latin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojC-zTXSAsY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqJvxeWl8ic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIZ4VirQHI
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Rome was mostly made of brick until one day Romans woke up and Augustus had single handedly rebuilt it of marble during the night. 
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Dalael posted:Rome was mostly made of brick until one day Romans woke up and Augustus had single handedly rebuilt it of marble during the night. Rome wasn't built in a day, it was built in a night
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Memento posted:As an aside, I saw this on twitter not long ago I need this mug
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This guy (Cybersmith) is famous on tumblr for thinking it should be legal to keep humans as pets.
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packetmantis posted:This guy (Cybersmith) is famous on tumblr for thinking it should be legal to keep humans as pets. That just sounds like slavery with extra steps.
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packetmantis posted:This guy (Cybersmith) is famous on tumblr for thinking it should be legal to keep humans as pets. What is his stance on training dogs and racing rats
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Grand Fromage posted:Also this is the first thing I saw when I woke up this morning (at noon) and I seriously considered going back to bed permanently. Is that the guy that was posting about Roman military formations being like jazz combos earlier itt?
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CrypticFox posted:That just sounds like slavery with extra steps. 
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Do we have a firm date when the Roman/Greek pantheon really started to decline in popularity? Like it's mentioned that Decius was almost a revivalist for the old gods does that mean people stopped caring much about them? Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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Lawman 0 posted:Do we have a firm date when the Roman/Greek really started to decline in popularity? Has Rome ever declined in popularity? Remnants of Rome litter the western world to this day, and many present governments still claim the mantle of Rome. Plus, I mean, New Jersey alone is proof that Rome is not out of style.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Has Rome ever declined in popularity? Remnants of Rome litter the western world to this day, and many present governments still claim the mantle of Rome. if rome hasn't decline in popularity why aren't I living in a miniature colosseum
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Whoops I should have previewed before I posted. Anyways so I'm basically asking what were the steps between classical pantheon--> messing around with cults---> adopting Christianity. Like how much of it towards the end was just going through the motions vs fervent belief? Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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Gradual transformation. Christianity spread through the Roman population, apparently in the upper classes, over time. The classical religion slowly dwindled as Christianity became more popular, but it took centuries--there are references to people still worshipping the Greek pantheon well into the early Middle Ages. And of course Christianity took a lot of stuff from classical religion. There aren't really distinct steps. The closest you could say are the legal ones. Constantine made Christianity legal, ending the occasional persecutions that had happened before him, then Theodosius I made Christianity the state religion. They didn't go out hunting pagans or anything, the old religions just gradually faded away.
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Isn't there a whole lot of the cults that rose and fell over the years that we just plain don't know because they were relatively secret? I imagine a lot of whatever appealed directly to followers just was lost over time. I think Diocletian also tried making some last big play for the old religion in a sort of fundamentalist way that didn't really take.
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The biggest thing after Theodosius is Justinian cutting off the funding of the (neo)Platonic Academy in around 530. After that the old religion really was only “pagan”, that is to say, hicktown tradition with no legitimacy in the centers of power. It had already lost its public and state rituals to Christianity, now it symbolically lost the intelligentsia as well.
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Grand Fromage posted:There aren't really distinct steps. The closest you could say are the legal ones. Constantine made Christianity legal, ending the occasional persecutions that had happened before him, then Theodosius I made Christianity the state religion. They didn't go out hunting pagans or anything, the old religions just gradually faded away. I've recommended the book before, and I'll recommend it again: James O'Donnell's Pagans, which is a look at the transition between paganism and Christianity in the Empire as it was seen at the time (and also, how even after the "empire became Christian", stuff was in a liminal state....paganism got more Christianized and vice versa. It also talks about how, in the Empire, "paganism" didn't exist, really. Pagan is a later, Christian term that lumps together a bunch of different and various beliefs and rituals that vary, not only from one part of the empire to another but even from town to town. It also has a little bit about Julian that's interesting, talking about how Julian, who's a neo-Platonist, is trying to reverse Christianity and promote "paganism", but he was raised Christians by Christians, and that's what he's used to, so he basically creates "the Roman religion" on a Christian model.
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