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ThermoPhysical posted:Looks like the US will give a roll out of $600 checks for COVID again from the government...as if it'll help the big gaps of nothing they've left behind after the first one was supposed to "fix" things. gently caress yeah! I can buy a PS5! Rent? That's not even 2/3rds of it.
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I’m losing 100 bucks a month next year because I increased my health insurance because lol not catching COVID in Florida so at least half a year of compensation I guess  gently caress everything 
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is this why countries like Korea no longer have problems with the virus? Due to cultural differences from America? Blistex posted:One difference is that when Korea had a big super-spreading church giving people Covid they came down on them hard and handed out massive fines and jail time. As opposed to the US where they gave them millions of dollars and let the reopen ASAP. South Korea came super close to totally locking down the virus but could never quite seal the deal, even during late April/early May they were still getting a steady trickle of a half dozen new cases and 1 or 2 deaths nearly every day. They're currently having a big outbreak (if you can even call 1000 cases and a dozen deaths a day 'big'):   https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/ It must have been incredibly exasperating to get so close and have it get away from them again like that
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For a similar situation, remember how Australia is totally freaking out about their new outbreak and closing state borders and enacting a whole bunch of new restrictions and putting a whole bunch of people in lockdown quarantine over Christmas? Here's what that looks like: If your government understands anything about viral spread and exponential growth then this point is exactly where they should be leaping into action
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:For a similar situation, remember how Australia is totally freaking out about their new outbreak and closing state borders and enacting a whole bunch of new restrictions and putting a whole bunch of people in lockdown quarantine over Christmas? Here's what that looks like: Most of ours doesn't, and the ones who do don't care. So....4k deaths/day by mid-January?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:For a similar situation, remember how Australia is totally freaking out about their new outbreak and closing state borders and enacting a whole bunch of new restrictions and putting a whole bunch of people in lockdown quarantine over Christmas? Here's what that looks like: Well as far as I know Australia does some stuff wrong and has animals from hell so congratulations for genuinely doing something right and wow is that a hell of a graph what a post
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A lot of countries got to zero cases and realized that they would starve if they kept their borders closed, even though they knew that the virus was raging in other countries. Look at Croatia for example: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/croatia/
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compshateme85 posted:So....4k deaths/day by mid-January? The US has an excellent shot at having a 4k death day as early as next week  The hospital situation is real bad https://twitter.com/PeterVroom1/status/1340536535133933569 E: The UK is also loving up really badly. They just had a pissweak 4 week lockdown under a promise of "getting back to normal" for Christmas and the spread has come roaring back with a vengeance when they eased off on the restrictions two weeks ago. They just posted their highest daily infections number ever  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ You'd usually expect a lag of at least a week or two between restrictions being altered and a subsequent change in the reported number of infections so the results we're seeing in this graph are a bit suss. The "lockdown" had already stopped working by December 2. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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It's so god damned aggravating. Imagine firefighters turning the hoses once the flames go down a bit. 'Ah. We can clearly see the fire is on the way down. May as well stop.'
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The other key thing people outside Australia may not realise is that second wave in the middle of the year was basically entirely localised to Melbourne. Life in the rest of the country has been pretty much back to normal since May, minus state border closures that only just started easing over the past few months (and have now gone right back up because of the Sydney cluster). Spinz posted:animals from hell I don't know why Americans say this all the time. You guys have bears and cougars and wolves and alligators. I felt less safe camping in the US than in Australia!
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freebooter posted:
Yeah but those are widely spread out. Lots of states have low or no populace of those, especially gators. We have gators in Colorado though, there's a gator preserve in the San Luis Valley some 7500 feet above sea level. Also we have guns. I don't camp without my revolver.
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Yes, we have some alligators, which are like small, rounded cuddly crocodiles. Y'all have crocodiles.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Yeah but those are widely spread out. Lots of states have low or no populace of those, especially gators. I think australia is really big and empty too. Spinz posted:genuinely doing something right If a first world country that's mostly rocks with entirely maritime borders can't contain it why bother tbh.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The US has an excellent shot at having a 4k death day as early as next week The latest spike in the UK may well be because we have a new and improved version of covid.
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Not only, I read somewhere they say the new strain could be up to 70% more transmissible but relaxing of measures is definitely a factor. Plus winter. In Germany we did "lockdown light" in November i.e. only restaurants, bars, gyms etc. closed and that didn't help much as numbers shot up anyway without a new strain.
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Collateral posted:The latest spike in the UK may well be because we have a new and improved version of covid. It's already been detected in several returned travelers here in Australia. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/uk-new-covid-strain-detected-in-australian-returned-travellers/13002382
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PIZZA.BAT posted:It's so god damned aggravating. Imagine firefighters turning the hoses once the flames go down a bit. 'Ah. We can clearly see the fire is on the way down. May as well stop.' The UK government is corrupt as hell and our PM is a puppet. Every decision is delayed by weeks, even months, from when it should be made because everything is about pleasing rich people. They seem to be panicking between keeping the country open to fuel the economy and OH GOD everyone is gonna die so they won't be able to spend. it's a weird situation where we flip flop between restrictions, lockdowns and warnings and everyone suffers and nothing is achieved.
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Blistex posted:$600 was a lot of money for a family with expenses in the early 1970s. Now it can pay 1/2 a month's rent in a very slummy building in a very slummy area. Considering most of our leaders are septuagenarians and octogenarians, whose brains lost all plasticity in the 70's, the $600 bucks must still seem like a good deal for the American people.
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Scarodactyl posted:Yes, we have some alligators, which are like small, rounded cuddly crocodiles. Y'all have crocodiles. South Florida has crocodiles, too. 
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ThermoPhysical posted:Looks like the US will give a roll out of $600 checks for COVID again from the government...as if it'll help the big gaps of nothing they've left behind after the first one was supposed to "fix" things. I'd be surprised if he didn't, honestly. He's been pretty loud about stim checks when his brain fires on long enough to think about things and he's been pretty much in their favor a lot. My trumpist mother says we should be grateful for $600 and "it's better than nothing" as I vomit in disgust. Americans are worth $1800 each according to our own government, as hundreds of thousands of us die because there is no sensible way to survive this loving country. Blistex posted:$600 was a lot of money for a family with expenses in the early 1970s. Now it can pay 1/2 a month's rent in a very slummy building in a very slummy area. I live on a small farm in extremely rural GA. My mortgage is $800 a month. If my husband and I were relying solely on the stim checks, we'd get 1.5 months of mortgage out of it and we live 15 minutes away from a stoplight. I can't even fathom trying to pay a city rent on that.
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$600 one time, plus $300 a week extra for unemployment. And that's above and beyond what most Republicans wanted. As somebody who was unemployed back in 2010 for 5 months - this is barely enough to keep your head above water, and that's with digging into your own savings and praying you don't have any kind of major expense come up. The GOP is full of ghouls who'd be happy to see us all die on the street if it meant they could keep a few extra cents in their own pocket.
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who needs the death penalty when you can just kill thousands of helpless people with absolutely no choice about their fate by simply doing nothing imagine literally being forced by your own government to either get covid or be murdered in a different way https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1340110538118983680 Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Collateral posted:You would think they would want to protect their monetised commodities. Gotta make room for the inevitable looters and rioters, and people who smoked a joint one time 15 years ago.
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crosspost from the germany thread: no idea if any real conclusions can be drawn from this, but here's DAX + Cases + Deaths: you can definitely tell when the lockdowns were, and how much/little they did ... and from that you can also tell that any comments like "lockdowns don't do anything" are just plain wrong if deduced from the november "lockdown" 
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Desperado Bones posted:Desperate goons living in near the border, try to check on Mexican private hospitals before you come rushing down here. What about the doses sold on the private market to private hospitals Just because the government is providing the vaccine for free to the public doesn't mean, short of a law explicitly banning paying money for the vaccine, that medical centers can't order the vaccine (or already have done so) and import it directly and then sell the service. The government provides free police services but you can still hire private security etc, bad example If you can get a boob job or nose job in Mexico, what's to stop that same provider from ordering covid vaccines
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Hadlock posted:What about the doses sold on the private market to private hospitals I said "supposedly".  I also said you all should check on a private hospital and see if they can provide you with a vaccine.
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hemale in pain posted:The UK government is corrupt as hell and our PM is a puppet. Every decision is delayed by weeks, even months, from when it should be made because everything is about pleasing rich people. They seem to be panicking between keeping the country open to fuel the economy and OH GOD everyone is gonna die so they won't be able to spend. Did you guys loving Brexit yet? Like you've been on the roadmap for that since before Trump was elected.
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Desperado Bones posted:I said "supposedly". Good news, there is just 8 short of 3,000 private hospitals in Mexico
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So Im hearing about this new strain of the virus in the UK that is more contagious. What I don't understand is *how* it's more contagious. Like does it make someone shed more of the virus? Or is there something to the viruses physical makeup that makes it linger in the air longer?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Did you guys loving Brexit yet? Like you've been on the roadmap for that since before Trump was elected. Secession from the largest trading bloc on the planet isn't something that can be done overnight. There are many complex agreements the UK has to remove itself from, while still maintaining strong relationships with its major trading partners. It's a fine line that has to be walked, between becoming the glorious independent nation of Boristan and screaming "We're not owned, we're not owned" as they continue to slowly shrink and transform into a blood sausage.
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FiskTireBoy posted:So Im hearing about this new strain of the virus in the UK that is more contagious. What I don't understand is *how* it's more contagious. Like does it make someone shed more of the virus? Or is there something to the viruses physical makeup that makes it linger in the air longer? I'm not sure if it's been narrowed down how just yet, just that it's responsible for disproportionately more infections than there would be if it was as transmissible as covid classic. (ie, despite being new, and having few cases, it's spreading way faster per person than covid otherwise.) It can be any of those factors, but it can also be that it's far far better at reproducing in people it comes into contact with, where more of them are viable and start reproducing. Norovirus for example often gets the factoid that 'you only need to get like 3 norovirus viruses in your system for it to be able to take hold'. The amount of viral load you need to get blasted with for there to be a significant chance of contagion is very variable. It can also mean that more of them stay viable for longer, more shedding, etc etc etc. Might induce more symptoms that just haven't been mapped just yet (like more coughing than normal covid, etc.)
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I don't think anyone really knows yet. A lot of the information around it at the moment is of the 'there is no evidence masks are effective outside clinical settings' type so give it a few weeks for people to look into it and we'll know exactly how hosed we are.
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The spike protein has greater affinity with the ace2 receptors. Also something to do with potential antibody dodging.
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FiskTireBoy posted:So Im hearing about this new strain of the virus in the UK that is more contagious. What I don't understand is *how* it's more contagious. Like does it make someone shed more of the virus? Or is there something to the viruses physical makeup that makes it linger in the air longer? There was some Dr on the radio yesterday saying that viral shedding is much higher with this strain so any virus plumes infected people are creating have a lot more virus to potentially infect someone else. The interesting thing is the amount of virus you are exposed to is/was (I’m not sure of the current state of research on this) thought to determine to some extent the severity of the illness you suffer.
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Collateral posted:The spike protein has greater affinity with the ace2 receptors. Also something to do with potential antibody dodging. Pretty much this. Think of it as not stronger, but more sticky.
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I remember this strategy from the early versions of pandemic, the game that plague inc is based on. Gain a foothold in all countries with a low lethality, low spread version of the virus, then massively increase rate of spread and ways of transmission, and only turn lethality up to max when you have over a critical mass of the population. Goddamned Madagascar would cockblock you and quarantine if you went too loud, too quick
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I thought I was clever when I just started in Madagascar, and that run wound up going to poo poo because I never managed to spread to the US, who closed all their borders before I'd even made it to Europe. Very unrealistic game, pretending that anti-vaxxers and their ilk won't do their darndest to ruin any anti-plague measures.
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